@Axiomus
About Igneel and Acno's fight in Tartaros. That was clearly their first fight. Igneel was surprised by Acno's strenght and Acno asked Igneel if that was all that he's got.
If Acno had taken Igneels soul 400 years ago he wouldn't ask a stupid question like that.
Igneel was very well intact as a dragon but the low ethernano in the air was the reason they had to move to the future where the ethernano concentration is enormous enough so that Igneel and the others weren't weakened.
And as to why Igneel was so weak against Acno... Metalicana stated he wasn't at his best but that most likely hadn't had to do anything with his soul... Do you expect a dragon who moved out of MP, hid in a human and used his regenerating MP to make Antibodies to come out and fight Acno at full power? Or i'd rather say.. Do you expect the Ethernano to fill up an nearly unlimited MP container like Igneels in the blink of an eye?
Lastly i never said Igneel fought END in the past. I even said that it wouldn't make sense and is unlikely.
@Axiomus
About Igneel and Acno's fight in Tartaros. That was clearly their first fight. Igneel was surprised by Acno's strenght and Acno asked Igneel if that was all that he's got.
If Acno had taken Igneels soul 400 years ago he wouldn't ask a stupid question like that.
Igneel was very well intact as a dragon but the low ethernano in the air was the reason they had to move to the future where the ethernano concentration is enormous enough so that Igneel and the others weren't weakened.
And as to why Igneel was so weak against Acno... Metalicana stated he wasn't at his best but that most likely hadn't had to do anything with his soul... Do you expect a dragon who moved out of MP, hid in a human and used his regenerating MP to make Antibodies to come out and fight Acno at full power? Or i'd rather say.. Do you expect the Ethernano to fill up an nearly unlimited MP container like Igneels in the blink of an eye?
Lastly i never said Igneel fought END in the past. I even said that it wouldn't make sense and is unlikely.
It would have been the first time Igneel and Acnologia fought a physical battle. If Acnologia simply stole his soul 400 years ago, he would have simply avoided facing Igneel in a physical altercation altogether. Acnologia would have beaten Igneel just by stealing his soul and weakening him.
Igneel had years to recharge his magical power from when Natsu entered X777. I actually happen to think that Igneel fought Acnologia at full power when they first started off fighting. When they began fighting Igneel was actually trading blows evenly with Acnologia, and even landing a few hits. In fact, Igneel even managed to knock Acnologia down after 20 minutes of fighting. However, as time went on the lack of a soul weakened Igneel. Obviously Igneel had a lot of magical power left over. He had magical power left over to let Natsu kill Zeref. It just simply wasn't enough to compete with Acnologia though.
@Axiomus i will make some points here.First of all Igneel faced Acnologia in his half dead state after losing his soul.If Prime Igneel had fought Acnologia he might have won.And Igneel if he fought END should be in his prime state.
Secondly,Igneel in chapter 465 had no scars on his face.That is before meeting Natsu in the forest while conversing with Zeref.But after facing END he recieved those scars.Igneel would have won no doubt but i don't think it was an easy fight.Especially giving a Dragon like Igneel without using Fire Dragon Slaying Magic is indeed a feat.
Thirdly,It was also Igneel who made the comment that Acnologia was afraid of END.Mard Geer himself was not sure.I too believe Acnologia is stronger but there must be a reason why Hiro made Igneel say this statement.You can afraid of someone weaker than you.There are lot of instances of it in Mangas.
Fourthly,We have the mural of previous DKF where we see a person with scarf fighting Acnologia on equal terms.May be in his Etherious form he fought END in the past.At that time he was using Fire Dragon Slaying Magic so END was able to go toe and toe with Acnologia.After that Acnologia absorbed Dragon Souls and became not only stronger but also his current element is now Etherion.Note that Igneel told that Acnologia"was" afraid of END.Note the past tense.So in the past Acnologia was afraid of END.
@Axiomus i will make some points here.First of all Igneel faced Acnologia in his half dead state after losing his soul.If Prime Igneel had fought Acnologia he might have won.And Igneel if he fought END should be in his prime state.
Secondly,Igneel in chapter 465 had no scars on his face.That is before meeting Natsu in the forest while conversing with Zeref.But after facing END he recieved those scars.Igneel would have won no doubt but i don't think it was an easy fight.Especially giving a Dragon like Igneel without using Fire Dragon Slaying Magic is indeed a feat.
Thirdly,It was also Igneel who made the comment that Acnologia was afraid of END.Mard Geer himself was not sure.I too believe Acnologia is stronger but there must be a reason why Hiro made Igneel say this statement.You can afraid of someone weaker than you.There are lot of instances of it in Mangas.
Fourthly,We have the mural of previous DKF where we see a person with scarf fighting Acnologia on equal terms.May be in his Etherious form he fought END in the past.At that time he was using Fire Dragon Slaying Magic so END was able to go toe and toe with Acnologia.After that Acnologia absorbed Dragon Souls and became not only stronger but also his current element is now Etherion.Note that Igneel told that Acnologia"was" afraid of END.Note the past tense.So in the past Acnologia was afraid of END.
"Prime Igneel" is Igneel with his soul still intact. That makes him vulnerable to the soul stealing Dragon Slaying Magic that Acnologia possesses. Its true that Igneel may have done better against Acnologia if Acnologia chose to engage him with his soul, but Acnologia always had the option of reaping it. Keep in mind that even if weakened, Igneel died when Acnologia only lost an arm. Even if Igneel was stronger, Acnologia might have been able to force a stalemate against Igneel in his prime. Igneel might have taken a larger chunk out of Acnologia, and Acnologia might have taken a smaller chunk out of Igneel. Either way, I doubt either one was going to walk away unscathed. END was not capable of dealing this type of permanently disabling wounds on Igneel, and so I wouldn't put him on Acnologia's level. We don't know the exact details of what happened 400 years ago, but a mural isn't enough to convince me personally that Natsu and Acnologia fought 400 years ago. For all we know, the artist might be depicting the final moments before some foolish human got burned to a crisp by Acnologia. Now, I am open to the possibility that Acnologia and Natsu may have fought 400 years ago, but I am pretty convinced that Acnologia was stronger if they did fight. Whatever happened 400 years ago, Igneel came out without a soul, END ended up apparently sealed in a book, and Acnologia came out on top.
Now it might be true that Acnologia can fear something weaker than him, but the reverse can also be true. Acnologia might not fear someone stronger than him. Even if END is on Acnologia's level, that doesn't mean Acnologia fears him. Igneel was on Acnologia's level, and Acnologia mocked him throughout their actual fight. I don't think statements about Acnologia fearing anybody has any merit unless Acnologia himself actually exhibits signs of fear when he is actually fighting his opponents. Even against opponents that are on his level and capable of dealing crippling wounds, Acnologia is still perfectly confident in combat. Acnologia didn't even think Igneel was going to put up much of a fight. Igneel and Mard Geer made their assumption about Acnologia fearing END because he targeted Tartarus. We also see Acnologia going out of his way to take down the dragon slayers. Does that mean he necessarily fears them? He might see them as potential threats that are better dealt with early, but I really doubt he actually "fears" them
"Prime Igneel" is Igneel with his soul still intact. That makes him vulnerable to the soul stealing Dragon Slaying Magic that Acnologia possesses. Its true that Igneel may have done better against Acnologia if Acnologia chose to engage him with his soul, but Acnologia always had the option of reaping it. Keep in mind that even if weakened, Igneel died when Acnologia only lost an arm. Even if Igneel was stronger, Acnologia might have been able to force a stalemate against Igneel in his prime. Igneel might have taken a larger chunk out of Acnologia, and Acnologia might have taken a smaller chunk out of Igneel. Either way, I doubt either one was going to walk away unscathed. END was not capable of dealing this type of permanently disabling wounds on Igneel, and so I wouldn't put him on Acnologia's level. We don't know the exact details of what happened 400 years ago, but a mural isn't enough to convince me personally that Natsu and Acnologia fought 400 years ago. For all we know, the artist might be depicting the final moments before some foolish human got burned to a crisp by Acnologia. Now, I am open to the possibility that Acnologia and Natsu may have fought 400 years ago, but I am pretty convinced that Acnologia was stronger if they did fight. Whatever happened 400 years ago, Igneel came out without a soul, END ended up apparently sealed in a book, and Acnologia came out on top.
Now it might be true that Acnologia can fear something weaker than him, but the reverse can also be true. Acnologia might not fear someone stronger than him. Even if END is on Acnologia's level, that doesn't mean Acnologia fears him. Igneel was on Acnologia's level, and Acnologia mocked him throughout their actual fight. I don't think statements about Acnologia fearing anybody has any merit unless Acnologia himself actually exhibits signs of fear when he is actually fighting his opponents. Even against opponents that are on his level and capable of dealing crippling wounds, Acnologia is still perfectly confident in combat. Acnologia didn't even think Igneel was going to put up much of a fight. Igneel and Mard Geer made their assumption about Acnologia fearing END because he targeted Tartarus. We also see Acnologia going out of his way to take down the dragon slayers. Does that mean he necessarily fears them? He might see them as potential threats that are better dealt with early, but I really doubt he actually "fears" them
I agree there.But i believe there must be a grain of truth in Igneel's statement.Otherwise Hiro would not have made him make that statement.We will see when END is revived whether Acnologia was really afraid or not.3 things we need to know now:-
i)Acnologia's backstory.
ii)END's backstory after he was revived till he was sealed back into the book.
iii)Backstory of previous DKF.
Then we will know whether Acnologia was afraid of END in the past or not.
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Come to think about it, Natsu's own name does show similar thing as well.
"Natsu" is Japanese for "Summer". Whenever talking about summer, the first things people usually come up with are hot weather and sunny blue sky. In manga and anime, summer is usually linked to beach, swimming pool, summer holidays (XD), cicada's sound in calm forest, catching beetles, eating sorbet, ice-cream and popsicle…… Overall, summer give people impression of "Hot Season of Happiness and Vacation"
However, to many place in the world, summer is also the season of storm. Take South East Asia as example, there're typhoons and thunderstorms every summer. And the strong wind and heavy rainfall can cause lots of damage to a city and may even killed, especially to developing region.
This may too show while Natsu can be warm and cheerful (as reference to sunny day in summer), he can also be a ruthless killer when being END (as reference to storm in summer) thus being a thread to FT, just like how his element Fire does.
I understand where you're coming from but damn, that would be so disappointing if END is a separate entity. Why even have Natsu be END in the first place then?
I have a feeling that END and Natsu are two separate personalities.END is evil and Natsu is good.Two selfs in one body.You can check the theory END will be a villain i posted in page 10 of this thread.
I think Zeref meant that less literally. END is probably Natsu's old memories of when he was Zeref's brother. When Zeref said Natau was the one to choose or defeat END, I think he meant it in that Natsu was the only one who could choose his path. Would he remain Natsu, or would he change with his new memories into END?
I think there are lot of hints that Natsu and END are different.
Despite being the same person, Natsu and END are always being treated as two different characters. Even after the reveal of "Natsu is END", they are still more or less being treated as two different person.
In Chapter 373, Zeref said only Natsu or END can reach his side and kill him, as if they are two different person while also hints that they are the same. In Chapter 436, Zeref first refer END as an "the strongest etherious he created with his younger brother's body", but then he quickly introduced himself to him as his elder brother, as if he's not END but the Natsu before his death. In Chapter 465, Zeref said "My younger brother Natsu also perished……" instead of "You also perished……" when talking about END to Natsu before telling him he's END. These shows that while Natsu and END are the same person, they still being treated as two different beings from time to time.
There are multiple situation and words that really foreshadow or speak plainly of E.N.D. as a separate being from Natsu.
Igneel also differentiates between E.N.D. and Natsu. In Chapter 413 specifically Igneel worked with the other dragons to halt E.N.D.'s revival. The dragons plan was to wait till they were strong enough to destroy Acnologia with the help of the children. However they found the threat of E.N.D.'s resurrection more important to take care of. Why is this? Why couldn't they just have waited. The very fact they risked what was left of their lives to keep Natsu's alter ego imprisoned in the Book speaks volumes of threat he is. Igneel planned to destroy E.N.D. but he could because he came to love Natsu. Yet the fact remains that Igneel still warned Natsu not to open the Book of E.N.D. in Chapter 401 and he emerged to stop FACE from destroying magic for the sole purpose of halting E.N.D.'s revival.
Also specifically in Chapter 400 Igneel entrusts Natsu with the task of defeating E.N.D. Why would he tell him this if it was just himself. If anything that adds to him as a threat and separate strongly.
This thread is a little dead, let's revive it a little.
I've been thinking about this tumor that Natsu has and most people are saying it's because Zeref stabbed the Book, which in my opinion doesn't work. E.N.D is sealed away by Igneel, I don't think something as measly as Zeref shooting the Book means that Natsu is affected, its just a case of Organic Link Magic like with Kyouka and FACE, or Laxus and the Thunder Palace.
In Tenrou
When Natsu punched Zeref
Zeref said
"You aren't strong enough."
What if the tumor is a sign that his body is ready?
For E.N.D.
The tumor is a sign his body is finally ready to host the E.N.D powers
I think
E.N.D is just a massive amount of Curse Power
One body shouldnt be able to hold all that
So basically
Natsu would be killed if the Book was opened before
But now
Hes strong enough
He can handle it.
How does this sound?
I think when Zeref shot the actual Book of END in 465, it triggered Natsu's demonic powers, which is what Igneel most likely sealed away. Natsu = END, there's no transformation into END. However I am expecting an Etherious form because Natsu is a *duh* Etherious, even if he isn't made up as 100% magic like the 9DG were.
I disagree with Doughboy.Both Zeref and Igneel have given lot of hints that Natsu and END are different.And i feel as Zeref shot the Book of END the seal got broken in that particular part of the hole and curse power is leaking.That is why Natsu recieved curse power and his figure became more demonic and he became more violent.Lucy is alao a factor in this.
What Natsu have is not ant-tumor whatever called(i know this has been confirmed ) but the demon awakening is demon particles inside his body is growing
What Natsu have is not ant-tumor whatever called(i know this has been confirmed ) but the demon awakening is demon particles inside his body is growing
I predict that a full-powered END will do battle against Zeref but may still be out of control.
Natsu will probably have mastered this side of him for the Acnologia fight though.
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Zeref probably has a few tricks up his sleeves that we haven't seen either as he's never been depicted as going all out.
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With the fact that Natsu is seeking an answer as to what resides within him by traveling through his subconscious, I think that there's going to be a big reveal not only about END but all of the original five dragonslayers too.
With all that is going on in recent events, I think that Natsu will probably be the first of the five dragonslayers to go through the process of turning into a dragon and it will have to do with END and whatever he is going through within his own subconscious/heart.
For me, Natsu is the best character in fairy tail and from the best characters i liked in my manga/anime history. He is strong, good looking, simple, funny, dumb, uncooperative, violent, impatient and pure.
Natsu is the core of fairy tail, When he gone training the guild got disbanded, When he came back the guild got reunited and they decided to search for the master right after. He helped Makarov to stand up and gave him hope after escaping from a certain death.
Natsu searched for Igneel only once because Mashima shitted on his aim and focused more on other characters but in return he gave him Lucy instead of Igneel.
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Sometimes i don't like his actions like:
When he excluded Gajeel and soloed Sting and Rogue, I liked how finished them but i felt bad for Gajeel because Natsu took his spot light.
When he left Lucy alone for a whole year to get stronger, Well, He thought the guild is there for her. At least he fixed what he did and helped Lucy to bring everyone back but he didn't apology hope he realize how much Lucy suffered because he left her.
When Natsu counteracted Zeref with that one time skill. He didn't care about his friends he wanted to suicide. He stopped Erza and Gray suicide attempt and gave them a lesson about family and such but he didn't show this maturity against Zeref. Well, he was blinded by his fury after learning the truth about himself so i'd give him a pass.
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I like all his fights but the best ones are
Top 5 solo fights
Demon lord Dragneel vs Mystogan
Natsu vs Zancrow.
Natsu vs Jellal
Natsu vs War god ( This fight redeemed him After the power sickening nerf he got in tartarous )
Natsu vs Gajeel.
Top 5 tag fights
Natsu + Lucy vs kain
Natsu + Atlas flame vs F.Rogue + Motherglare
Natsu + Lucy vs The one eyed demon
Natsu + Lucy vs Jacob
Natsu + Gajeel vs Laxus
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I like the impatience of Natsu. It's really cool.
In Avater arc when he was looking for Gray he didn't think of any plan he wanted to charge in but Lucy stopped him.
However he didn't follow Lucy's instructions and went in to search for Gray without learning about this guild, He screamed "Are're here Gray?? move your ass and appeaaaar" It was very satisfying for me to see him acting like that, He was worried about his friend. When he insist to do something nothing can stop him.
He even cared about Juvia and Gray relation, He didn't treat him like an enemy and tried to be reasonable with him despite being reckless, He knew that Gray's new power is turning him evil. He put all that into his consideration.
The impatience of Natsu suits him well because of his magic nature, He is always fiery.
I would have expected a fully transformed END to be on par with Zeref or at least very close to him in terms of power.
With the advent of this Dragon Seed business, I'm not quite sure how this will change things up. We might not see the demonic side of Natsu anymore if he choose to reject it and embrace his dragon side. If that's the case, I'm not sure how powerful a dragonized Natsu would be in comparison to a fully demonized Natsu. Which of the two would be stronger...?
obviously with the reveal that natsus demon and dragon seed merging when it activates and e.n.d activates with
him going undergoing dragonification it will be a demon dragon form different from acnologia or irenes form it will will be strange in fact it will have 7 heads ( 7 is a important number for fairy tail) due to being an etherious
e.n.d. Has flame powers, is a magical "Demon", led a guild called Tartaros (hell), and wants to kill his creator, Zeref.
Natsu is the fire dragonslaying student of a great red dragon that is king of the fire dragons.END is a demon king associated with fire so natsu/e.n.d. references satan
satan in the revelation was described as having the form of a great fiery red dragon and
The adversary, representing opposition, the element of fire, the direction of the south, and the Sigil of Baphomet during ritual.
satan represents the element of fire
Binsfeld's classification of demons[edit] Peter Binsfeld prepared a classification of demons in 1589. His demon classification was, like the earlier English Lanterne of Light, based on the seven deadly sins, though it differed slightly from the English text.
satan is associated with the sin of wrath and natsu gets angry real easily and his flames increase with his anger.
plus satan when trapped in hell was trapped in ice being frozen and gray is expected to face e.n.d. and he uses ice devil slayer
obviously when "Satan has 7 heads and 10 horns
In the book of Revelation Satan is described as having 7 heads and 10 horns. In Revelation 12 he is called the dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns. In Revelation 13 and 17 he is called the beast with 7 heads and 10 horns. In each case the Bible is describing the same being. Whenever you see a creature in the Bible with 7 heads and 10 horns you can know immediately that it is talking about Satan. Let’s look at Revelation 12.
Satan is the Dragon with 7 heads and 10 horns
“And another sign appeared in heaven, behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads.” Revelation 12:3
“And war broke out in heaven: Michael and his angels fought with the dragon, and the dragon and his angels fought, but they did not prevail nor was a place found for them in heaven any longer. So the great dragon was cast out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who deceives the whole world; he was cast to the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.” Revelation 12:7-9"
and this happened during armageddon which is the end of the world in alvarez the dragon king festival is described as ragnorak which is norse mythologys armageddon
