Discussion Natsu Dragneel/E.N.D Thread

[Arjuna]

Flame Dragon King spells are just normal Fire DS spells which have more intense flames. These flames were copied from Igneel, and acquired in essentially the same fashion as LFD.



I think this is true, at least from a story telling perspective Hiro would go out of his way to make sure we know.

To be honest, the tattoo's themselves are a bit confusing. Gray for example has a tattoo when he uses DeSM (vs Invel), yet he didn't in Hargeon. One could argue Gray is using Silvers MP whenever he sports the tattoo, I guess.

From the start Natsu told that he can use Igneel's power only once.

And in the last part of chapter 465 Natsu told Happy to leave him as "Igneel's power is about to vanish soon enough".

 

[Raven]

Simply Natsu advanced in his dragon slaying magic that's the nature of his magic since Igneel the flame dragon king dragon taught him his magic.

He used Dragon king attacks many times in his base before and after confronting Zeref.
He used Dragon king attacks with Igneel MP
He used Dragon king attacks with BDKM
He used Dragon king attacks with DF

So basically his dragon king flames can scale with any power up it has nothing to do with Igneel powers, and i think Mashima pointed that out many times in the story already.

Personally i think BDKM is a bit stronger than base Natsu so it doesn't matter if it's permanent or not at this point.

 

[Cosmicstar]

Flame and Blaze are the same thing just different translations. Thus we know for a fact Natsu still has access to Flame/Blaze Dragon King power. He used it against Zeref in chapter 533.

Dragon Force is Natsu's current strongest form. At a full powered Dragon Force he could use his Flame Dragon King power combined with his Flame lightning power.

Next strongest would be his Flame lightning mode. It is just his fire combined with lightning. Thus he could use Lightning in combination with his Flame Dragon King fire.

Lastly would be his Flame Dragon King Mode. Extremely powerful but without a doubt his weakest form.

If Natsu underwent Dragonfication or Demonifcation thus would be his strongest forms.

Lastly Igneel powered Natsu would probably be below Dragon Force but ahead of Flame lightning Mode.

 

[LaGOAT]

Flame and Blaze are the same thing just different translations. Thus we know for a fact Natsu still has access to Flame/Blaze Dragon King power. He used it against Zeref in chapter 533.

Dragon Force is Natsu's current strongest form. At a full powered Dragon Force he could use his Flame Dragon King power combined with his Flame lightning power.

Next strongest would be his Flame lightning mode. It is just his fire combined with lightning. Thus he could use Lightning in combination with his Flame Dragon King fire.

Lastly would be his Flame Dragon King Mode. Extremely powerful but without a doubt his weakest form.

If Natsu underwent Dragonfication or Demonifcation thus would be his strongest forms.

Lastly Igneel powered Natsu would probably be below Dragon Force but ahead of Flame lightning Mode.

no BDKM natsu>df natsu zeref was confident as ever that DF natsu wouldn't beat him. DF natsu>=Ig base natsu tho LFD natsu is way weaker than FDKM natsu. LFD natsu couldnt beat franmath

 

[Cosmicstar]

no BDKM natsu>df natsu zeref was confident as ever that DF natsu wouldn't beat him. DF natsu>=Ig base natsu tho LFD natsu is way weaker than FDKM natsu. LFD natsu couldnt beat franmath

DF Natsu obliterated Zeref while in possession of Fairy Heart. Also BDKM Natsu is base Natsu. I think you mixed Igneel powered Natsu up with blaze king Natsu.

Also Lightning Flame mode is just lightning combined with Natsu fire. So it would also be more powerful than just any regular fire mode because you get the same fire as you would in any other mode but with the addition of lightning.

Natsu only has 3 forms

Dragon force
Blaze/Flame king mode(Depend on translator)
Lightning Flame mode

Blaze mode is Natsu's current base mode.

 

[LaGOAT]

DF Natsu obliterated Zeref while in possession of Fairy Heart. Also BDKM Natsu is base Natsu. I think you mixed Igneel powered Natsu up with blaze king Natsu.

Also Lightning Flame mode is just lightning combined with Natsu fire. So it would also be more powerful than just any regular fire mode because you get the same fire as you would in any other mode but with the addition of lightning.

Natsu only has 3 forms

Dragon force
Blaze/Flame king mode(Depend on translator)
Lightning Flame mode

Blaze mode is Natsu's current base mode.

no i use BDKM as ig power natsu. except BDKM natsu isnt weaker than Ig base natsu. zeref was going toe to toe with ig base natsu. it debatable df natsu could obliterated base zeref. also he has to use all his power to perform that feat when BDKM natsu had more left in his tanked.
its
BKDM natsu
ig base mode/DF natsu
FDKM natsu
LFD natsu

 

[XXEliteXXAceXX]

DF Natsu obliterated Zeref while in possession of Fairy Heart. Also BDKM Natsu is base Natsu. I think you mixed Igneel powered Natsu up with blaze king Natsu.

Also Lightning Flame mode is just lightning combined with Natsu fire. So it would also be more powerful than just any regular fire mode because you get the same fire as you would in any other mode but with the addition of lightning.

Natsu only has 3 forms

Dragon force
Blaze/Flame king mode(Depend on translator)
Lightning Flame mode

Blaze mode is Natsu's current base mode.

Actually, FDKM is not Natsu's base mode. They're totally different.

Spoiler: Natsu Activating FDKM

Here, Natsu is using FDKM. But before this page, Natsu was in base form; hence, the difference.

 

[Star Frost]

I don't think FDKM is from Igneel's power. I mean this is Natsu first using Igneel's power: http://m.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c464/9.html

And this is him combining FDKM with Igneel's power: http://m.mangatown.com/manga/fairy_tail/v38/c464/19.html

So that should tell everybody that they're both completely separate from each other.

 

[x777]

Theory: Why END wont have any etherious form.

Spoiler: Stuff from movies

So the movie is kinda hinting that the half-dragon form of Natsu is his END form. I dissagree with this. I believe that the movie is actually showing Natsu dragonizing and heres why.
From tartarus arc we know that every tartarus demon has an etherius form. We also know that Zeref created those demons in an attempt to reviev his brother Natsu. My theory is that those etherius forms of ttartarus demons show that they are failed experiments. Zeref wonted to bring his brother back to life as a human. He didnt want his brother to become some monster or to have some monster form. Another thing that tartarus demons have in common is that they dont have feelings.

This is important if you are human. Zeref knew this. If he brought Natsu and he cant feel anything he wouldnt be the brother he knew. So Zeref had to perfect his demons and he did it with Larcade. Larcade was reveald as a demon but unlike tartarus demons he didant have any etherius form. Also he can feel just like any human can, evident by his strong feelings towards Zeref and him actually crying when Zeref killed him. Zeref also gave him a his surename Dragnneel indicating that Larcade was a perfect demon and a final step towards bring Natsu to life. The only thing that Larcade didnt have was a human body.

But since Zeref preserved Natsu body he now had everything to bring Natsu to life. So this is why END wont have any etherius form. But why did Natsu had those claws when he fought against Gray?

Beucase he was dragonizing. I believe that while END wont have etherius form he still is very powerful and its that power that allows him to dragonize. Igneel and other parent dragons left antibodies inside dragonslayers to prevent dragonification. These antibodies are working its just that when Natsu taps into his END power his dragonslaying magic becomes more powerfull and so does the dragon seed inside him. At some point the seed gets so strong that antibodies cant stop the dragonification. So we get that scene from movie. So maybe if Natsu uses all of his END power he could transform like Acnologia.

So how does he return to being human again?

Simple, his END power will weaken over time like any other power. So as Natsu gets exosted the dragon seed becomes weaker and at some point the antibodies will again be stronger and thus his dragonificatio is no more.

 

[WoWfan]

Does he have an Etherious form? yes. will we ever see a full END form? No. We know that demons demons have their own Etherious form, and from what we saw with Natsu vs Gray, that was his Etherious power too since the claws did not match what the dragonized Natsu looked like.

 

[x777]

Does he have an Etherious form? yes. will we ever see a full END form? No. We know that demons demons have their own Etherious form, and from what we saw with Natsu vs Gray, that was his Etherious power too since the claws did not match what the dragonized Natsu looked like.

Larcade is a demon yet he didnt show us any form. If he has an Etherius form i dont see any reason for it to not be shown.

 

[Axiomus]

I don't think Natsu is going to ever use his etherious form because right now Lucy is in the process of rewriting his book. I think Lucy will try to rewrite him as a normal human if she can, because that's the way she would probably want him as. As for his dragonized form, we'll just have to see if he ever uses it in the manga. If he does, then we'll probably get an explanation. If he doesn't, then I'll just assume that it had something to do with the dragon seed that was destroyed. My personal theory is still that it's just Dragon Force on a higher level. Chapter 536 is called "Wild Dragon's Flames" and marks the last chapter in volume 62. I'm predicting that this is the form Natsu will face Zeref in.

 

[WoWfan]

Larcade is a demon yet he didnt show us any form. If he has an Etherius form i dont see any reason for it to not be shown.

If we recall correctly, Larcade was just an experimental body, the closest to being the resurrection for Natsu, so I doubt that he had an Etherious form if he was technically going to be Natsu.

 

[Maestro216]

RIP END the most useless plot point in shounen. Seriously what did this thing do besides serve as useless drama?

 

[WoWfan]

Well that all depends on how Natsu will return from his supposed death.

 

[Maestro216]

Well that all depends on how Natsu will return from his supposed death.

I have a good guess it won't involve END. Rather the power of friendship or love as usual...

 

[WoWfan]

I have a good guess it won't involve END. Rather the power of friendship or love as usual...

As far as we know, that only involves if the person was already dead before the user's death

 

[Bishamonten]

In what way Natsu is a hypocrite?

 

[Angiecakes1990]

RIP END the most useless plot point in shounen. Seriously what did this thing do besides serve as useless drama?

If you think about it its better if END wasn't revived cause its Zeref's strongest demon even stronger than Mard Geer and if he awakens there would be no stopping him

 

[angelus lucifer]

If you think about it its better if END wasn't revived cause its Zeref's strongest demon even stronger than Mard Geer and if he awakens there would be no stopping him

yes and beside hiromashima doesn't have anybody strong enough to fight E.N.D