Discussion Official Dragon Slayers Thread

Ninomiya · Jun 4, 2012

I just wanna know, has it been made clear on the variety of elements that the Dragon Slayers are of?

Since we know Fire, Lightning, Wind, Metal, Poison, MUST exist but Poison I only know exists as an element in freaking Pokemon.

So suggesting their could possibly be 15+ Dragons isnt out there right?
Also, Ive been reading this story closely for many years so I dont think I missed this out, but was Acknowlodgia's element revealed?

Ifrit · Jun 5, 2012

Airgrimes said:
I just wanna know, has it been made clear on the variety of elements that the Dragon Slayers are of?

Since we know Fire, Lightning, Wind, Metal, Poison, MUST exist but Poison I only know exists as an element in freaking Pokemon.

So suggesting their could possibly be 15+ Dragons isnt out there right?
Also, Ive been reading this story closely for many years so I dont think I missed this out, but was Acknowlodgia's element revealed?

I don't think Acknowlogia element was revealed, but if you need a hint look at Zeref Magic.

Dark Light maybe ?

About how many dragons. I read theories here some people say that since there is a lightning Lachryma n Posion Lachryma then there must be a Dragon for each one. Also means that there was a REAL DRAGON SLAYER WHO SLAYED THEM TO GET THOSE.

The question is"Is Mashima planing on going this far?" If the manga stayed for long. I'm sure it will go this far.

With how things are going now. If Laxus transferring his Lachryma to Natsu theory did not work, and it gets taken from him. By the end of this Arc. opening the gate to the Dragons world "Zeref World". Who knows maybe Laxus will meet the real Lightning Dragon.

Problem there is a lot of theories none can be reliable or close from truth, because not a single hint was given about this matter.

kkck · Jun 5, 2012

Well, if zeref is indeed the DS trained by acknologia then we have a pretty good clue of what his element is. His magic was called living magic or something and we saw zeref absorb life from others. In this regard zeref's element, as lame as it sounds, is likely something like life or souls. If the whole one magic thing is actually related to the whole thing then his element itself is magic though.

Rarhyx · Jun 5, 2012

atm there are only 3 "real ds-elements"
laxus and that poisen guy have just the dragon lachryma without the elements
normally laxus is a lightning mage infused with dragon powers, same goes for that poisen guy.
while sting and rogue got trained by dragons (with elements) they are real DS who increased their power with dragon lachryma(without elements).

About zeref: dunno if he is a ds or not.

Ifrit · Jun 5, 2012

Rarhyx said:
while sting and rogue got trained by dragons (with elements) they are real DS who increased their power with dragon lachryma(without elements).

Says who ?

You don't believe that those 2 jokers actually killed a dragon do you ? Judging form the people who was participating in the tournament the past 7 years. They did not even met Jura or Kagura or even Raven Tail...hell they did not even met Lyon....So who was competing with them ?

Sting n Rouge gonna get their asses handed to them..just wait...

P.S (Remember Zancrow. He thought HADES was a GOD, so the idiot was convinced that a GOD trained him.)

Rarhyx · Jun 5, 2012

http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/265/18

I think they didn't really "kill" a true dragon, more some kind of illusion or someone from edolas.
And I think it was just one person/"dragon" who taught them instead of two persons/"dragons"
(http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/265/19) "we destroyed it" instead of "we destroyed them".

maybe dragons can't really die, instead of dying they disappear for a specific time period and then come back/revive (like a phoenix)

Ninomiya · Jun 6, 2012

Rarhyx said:
atm there are only 3 "real ds-elements"
laxus and that poisen guy have just the dragon lachryma without the elements

But surely then an actual dragon for those elements exist no?

Rarhyx said:
normally laxus is a lightning mage infused with dragon powers, same goes for that poisen guy.

So your theory is that even Gray could use fake Ice DS magic then?

Rarhyx · Jun 6, 2012

Airgrimes said:
But surely then an actual dragon for those elements exist no?

Imo they don't exist.
atm we only know about 4 real dragons.

Airgrimes said:
So your theory is that even Gray could use fake Ice DS magic then?

When he got dragon lacryma implanted and train a bit to get used to it, then yes.

THM Nindo · Jun 6, 2012

Airgrimes said:
So your theory is that even Gray could use fake Ice DS magic then?

Well, if he had a Ice Dragon Lacryma, he certainly could.
But, I doubt it would happen.

Even if right now, I find that Gray is falling behind in importance in the manga...
(Let's be honest, he's not as important as Lucy and Wendy... and even Gajeel seems more important than him now...)

Although, that would really make him the best rival for Natsu...
Fire dragon vs Ice dragon.

But, in any case, I don't consider the fake-DS as being important.
They are just wannabes...

The real ones are only Natsu, Wendy and Gajeel.

kkck · Jun 6, 2012

Well, sting and rogue are also very real DS so I would argue they are every bit as important to the plot as natsu, wendy and gajeel. Their DS lachrima is a pretty good supplement though.

As for the importance of DS lachrima users... I don't think they will be unimportant in the end. Ultimately their magic is very real and works to the same effect as actual DS magic. granted there might be some unknown perks to real DSs however as far as simply using the magic I don't think there will be many differences. Maybe something with dragon force or whatnot.

Also, I doubt it was ever said laxus was was a lightning mage with dragon slayer lachrima. The manga has stated laxus can also use a number of other elements, under that logic laxus would be an all element DS. I think the lachrima laxus has is specifically for DS lightning magic which is also why natsu got DS lightning magic.

THM Nindo · Jun 7, 2012

What I meant by importance is "importance to the plot".
The story pretty much revolve around the disappearance of the dragon 7 years ago (now 14 years ago).

And Natsu, Wendy and Gajeel are looking for the dragon that raised them.
That makes them really important to the plot.

I know that Sting and Rogue are true DS as well, because they have cats with them too.
But, I don't feel that they will have the same importance as those three, since they don't seem to share the same love for the dragons.

I guess it's not impossible that they will change mind and that they will join FT in the end though...

NAM61 · Jun 8, 2012

i think natsu somehow became like sting and rogue after eating what laxus gave him to fight hades. i think sting and rogue will have to elements like natsu. one from their dragon and one form the lachrima. i think we will find out soon laxus accidentally gave part of his or all of it to natsu.

Tame · Jun 13, 2012

The number 7 has some apparent significance for the dragons; they disappeared 7 years ago (now 14 years ago) on 7/7/X777 etc. Anyone think that there might be (or have been) a total of seven dragons? Or seven dragons besides the Dragon King or something like that?

In response to some of the views expressed on this most recent page:
Yes, potentially there could be 15+ types of Dragon Slayer Magic (either 1st or 2nd Generations). For example, there may be any of the following:
Water
Blood
Ice
Snow
Lava
Light
Earth
Stone
Wood/Plants
Paper
Wax

I don't think that there's necessarily a dragon corresponding to each element of 2nd Generation Dragon Slayer, but there could be.

I think 2nd Gen. DSes have a Dragon Lachryma implanted in them that corresponds to their particular element. So, for example, Laxus, even if he knows many different types of elemental magic (I don't remember it ever mentioning that he does), he can only use Lightning Dragon Slayer Magic. So yes, Gray could use Ice Dragon Slayer Magic if he was infused with Ice Dragon Lachryma. But I really don't see that happening.

Story-wise I don't think 2nd Gen. DSes are going to be as important as 1st or 3rd Gens because they have no connection to the Dragons (and the Dragons are one of the big mysteries of the series; at some point that mystery is going to come to the forefront of the story). They're just an excuse for Mashima to show us different types of bad-ass, awesome-to-see Magic (let's face it, plot importance aside, seeing Laxus fight is damn entertaining) and there's nothing wrong with that. That's not to say that their Magic is any less "real" than non-artificial DSes (though personally if I lived in the FT 'verse I wouldn't want someone jamming Lachryma inside me, even if it did give me DS powers. I'd feel like a cheat, though I wouldn't judge others who did it).

I also think that Gajeel's back-story might be explored in this arc; every arc from Galuna Island onwards has delved into one or more characters' backgrounds;
Galuna Island: Gray
Phantom Lord: Lucy (her's has been covered elsewhere too, though there are still things that have yet to be explored fully, mainly about her mother.)
Loke Arc: Erm... can't remember...
Tower of Heaven: Erza
Fighting Festival: Laxus
Oracion Seis: Wendy
Edolas: Happy and the other Exceeds, Mystogan
Tenrou Island: Cana

Rogue and Sting are prominent in this arc and Rogue has some specific interest in Gajeel, which is why my bets are on Gajeel being the one whose background is explored this arc.

Uriel · Jun 14, 2012

Cana? Tenrou was mostly about Zeref and his relationship with Natsu IMHO.

Tame · Jun 14, 2012

Uriel said:
Cana? Tenrou was mostly about Zeref and his relationship with Natsu IMHO.

I agree that Cana's backstory wasn't central to the Tenrou Island Arc, but you can't say that her past wasn't explored pretty much fully during it. I don't agree that Zeref and Natsu's relationship was central either however, since it was only hinted at and we still have no solid information about the nature of that relationship, but that's beside the point.

I remembered yesterday that 100 Exceeds were sent to eliminate the Dragon Slayers, indicating that there may be as many as 100 Dragon Slayers (assuming that there is one Exceed per Dragon Slayer; the Edolas people may have sent more than Exceeds than there are Dragon Slayers to increase the chances of success).

kkck · Jun 14, 2012

The story about sending exceed to destroy the DS's was a lie though. They sent the cats to earthland so that the exceed race may continue after the destruction of their floating islands in edolas, the whole thing about DSs was but a ploy. It is a pretty big coincidence (so far) that every real DS has an exceed companion though.

dragons4life · Jun 17, 2012

I have been thinking this through and after thoroughly reading the theories i have come up with several theories to back your well thought out theories.

1. Since Mashima likes to make similarities from Rave Master in Fairy Tail the whole Natsu and Gajeel not being able to go through Fried's runes is because like Resha/Elie they trained with their dragon parent about 400 years ago (that's how Zeref knows Natsu) and went into deep slumber and woke up 7/7/X777

2. Also the with Zeref not living up to his nickname Black/Dark Mage Zeref is because of he was infected of Nirvana. The old ghost dude said that he created Nirvana 400 years ago so that probably means that the Nirvit tribe used the power on Zeref and he turned into the Zeref we know in the Tenroujima arc, not in the Galuna or Lullaby arc. So that is probably when Natsu, Gajeel and maybe Wendy too fell into this deep slumber and woke up on that day.

3. I believe that Zeref is a DS. Mainly because of the image on ch. 208 page 15 the bottom panel.

4. This is actually not a theory I'm just stating that Sting is going mad with power after rereading the current ongoing arc and I say he is a douchebag! But not Rogue, he got my respect in chapter 281 after that socalled guildmaster Gemma fired poor Yukina because of one measly stupid loss (I know this isn't the right thread but I just wanted to lift it out of my chest :mad

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Rarhyx · Jun 17, 2012

well maybe when sting and rogue will become (maybe) FT Members, he will change (or after some other incident).
I mean lookt at Gajeel and Laxus, they changed by 180° the first time we saw 'em.
(also Gerard, Urtear, Meredy, Leon, etc.)

dragons4life · Jun 18, 2012

I'm not entirely sure if Sting can switch sides because he is going mad with power. He doesn't even care for anyone. I mean, he could have felt sorry for Yukina because she was her nakama but nooo he just had to say she was weak and got along with it. He is just so freaking cocky!!!!! :nerve

I was hated Rogue the first time I saw him and found more about how he killed his dragon parent but after with Yukina he earned my respect for cheering up that idiot little exeed Froch. :thumbs

I think he will most likely go and join Fairy Tail after Sting gets his ass beat up by Natsu

Rarhyx · Jun 18, 2012

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