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Ha, knew there weren't Yonkou in Roger's time. Probably Sankou or w/e, including Roger. Whitebeard didn't seem to care about getting to Raftel either, before and after Roger. Roger's rivalry with Whitebeard and Shiki seems to have been friendly while Luffy's made enemies out of Kaidou and Big Mom, as well as the Underworld.

Kaidou must have become a major threat years after Roger's death, like Shanks.
 

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It will be interesting to see how big Roger's alliance was...Whitebeard had a huge fleet and so did Shiki... from the looks of it, not the same about Roger. Did he have any allies like the strawhats??
I actually loved the Ace parts of the story and the parallels with Luffys. I prefer that comparison more than Rogers at this point...:D
 

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The generations is something we sorta of knew already because of the characters ages. Big Mom is 68 and Whitebeard would be 74. Moriah was a rival of Kaido and he's 50.
 

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Ha, knew there weren't Yonkou in Roger's time. Probably Sankou or w/e, including Roger. Whitebeard didn't seem to care about getting to Raftel either, before and after Roger. Roger's rivalry with Whitebeard and Shiki seems to have been friendly while Luffy's made enemies out of Kaidou and Big Mom, as well as the Underworld.

Kaidou must have become a major threat years after Roger's death, like Shanks.
I don't think it's so much there weren't Yonko (4 Emperors), there were just less. So, the Emperors have always been a thing because powerful influential Pirates have always existed. Just like now, we're about to get a 5th Emperor because Luffy is powerful, has a massive crew now and is influential. Back then, it seemingly was really just Shiki and Whitebeard who were the 2 top contenders for the throne.

It also wouldn't be a case of being friendly, much more a case of mutual respect despite being enemies. They'd still have killed each other during a fight in attempts to achieve their own goals. We saw how Whitebeared related with Shanks, mutual respect, but if they had to fight, things would definitely happen.

Whitebeard only stopped caring seemingly only after Roger beat him to it, otherwise, he'd unlikely have been acquainted with Oden who only sailed with Pirates out of interest for the Poneglyphs and Roger would likely never have asked him if he wanted to know Raftel's location if he was never interested at a point in time.
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We finally have a far more accurate estimate of when Shanks acquired his scar. Shanks didn't have a crew at this point in time, otherwise they'd know whom he got his scar from and wouldn't be surprised about his talking about it with Ace.

Shanks started forming his crew first recruiting Yasopp in the same year Shiki escaped Impel Down which was 2 years after Roger's death which puts him at the age of 17. Although, when Roger dies, we see Shanks' hat cover his face, so we know Shanks fought with Blackbeard between the ages of 15 and 17.
 

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I don't think it's so much there weren't Yonko (4 Emperors), there were just less. So, the Emperors have always been a thing because powerful influential Pirates have always existed. Just like now, we're about to get a 5th Emperor because Luffy is powerful, has a massive crew now and is influential. Back then, it seemingly was really just Shiki and Whitebeard who were the 2 top contenders for the throne.

It also wouldn't be a case of being friendly, much more a case of mutual respect despite being enemies. They'd still have killed each other during a fight in attempts to achieve their own goals. We saw how Whitebeared related with Shanks, mutual respect, but if they had to fight, things would definitely happen.

Whitebeard only stopped caring seemingly only after Roger beat him to it, otherwise, he'd unlikely have been acquainted with Oden who only sailed with Pirates out of interest for the Poneglyphs and Roger would likely never have asked him if he wanted to know Raftel's location if he was never interested at a point in time.
Dunno if Roger could be considered an emperor, but it's still him against two other emperors if he was one. I don't know if powerful influential pirates have always existed, especially since there's been no recognition of any pirates before Whitebeard, Roger, or Shiki. And what are we basing Luffy becoming a fifth emperor on? Given Big Mom is willing to go after Luffy, and Kaidou likely has no problem doing the same, Luffy can't be considered an Emperor when his strength isn't at that level. One common thing among the Emperors is that they're either not willing to fight each other or wage all-out wars against each other for fear of being easy pickings after a Pyrrhic victory. Luffy as he is now would get curbstomped by any one of them.

Luffy is powerful, but he's not that powerful. He's not as influential as he is infamous either, but I'm probably wrong here.

How do you know Whitebeard cared in the first place? Picking up Oden doesn't mean he was interested in becoming Pirate King or getting to Raftel, and same with Roger telling him. Perhaps Roger thought Whitebeard might be interested or wanted to tell him anyway so someone would have knowledge.
 

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Dunno if Roger could be considered an emperor, but it's still him against two other emperors if he was one. I don't know if powerful influential pirates have always existed, especially since there's been no recognition of any pirates before Whitebeard, Roger, or Shiki. And what are we basing Luffy becoming a fifth emperor on? Given Big Mom is willing to go after Luffy, and Kaidou likely has no problem doing the same, Luffy can't be considered an Emperor when his strength isn't at that level. One common thing among the Emperors is that they're either not willing to fight each other or wage all-out wars against each other for fear of being easy pickings after a Pyrrhic victory. Luffy as he is now would get curbstomped by any one of them.

Luffy is powerful, but he's not that powerful. He's not as influential as he is infamous either, but I'm probably wrong here.

How do you know Whitebeard cared in the first place? Picking up Oden doesn't mean he was interested in becoming Pirate King or getting to Raftel, and same with Roger telling him. Perhaps Roger thought Whitebeard might be interested or wanted to tell him anyway so someone would have knowledge.
I don't think Roger was an Emperor, he didn't have a fleet seemingly or much influence.

Powerful influential Pirates would always have existed. It's like saying that Rich people never existed. Why wouldn't People want to be rich or why wouldn't people want to be influential Pirates?

Morgan states Luffy is possibly the 5th Emperor because he has strength to challenge the Emperor, influence and a fleet.

And Whitebeard likely cared. He's done everything that is consistent with One Piece up until Roger became King:
  1. Why would he have Oden who only sailed to learn more about the Poneglyph on his ship if Whitebeard wasn't acquainted with them?
  2. Why did Roger even suggest telling him the location if he never had interest in it initially?
It implies he did aim to go after One Piece at a point.
 

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According to sandman's summary of Novel Ace volume 2, there's 6 chapters to it and 1 prologue. So far, he's recapped parts 1-2 (HERE); hopefully he'll do more. It's very interesting.

EDIT: I'll just post the whole thing here. Credit: sandman

[Prologue]
Whitebeard is smiling in a captain room and reads a newspaper that reports Ace's rejection about World government's offer to join Shichibukai.
Thatch enters the room. Whitebeard praises that sea snake soup was delicious today. ("Sea Mamushi/海マムシ soup" in raw. Mamushi drink is usually used in Japan to improve sexual desire, so...
)
Thatch tells him to take a medicine since otherwise Thatch would be scolded by a doctor. 4th division where Thatch belongs is responsible for a kitchen in WB pirates.
Thatch is a cook. He tells Whitebeard that Jinbe is going to leave the ship.

Whitebeard goes out of his room and finds Jinbe, who is about to dive into the sea.
Whitebeard complains to him that he leaves the ship and goes to Marineford without saying any words.
Whitebeard hands over the newspaper about Ace to Thatch and asks Jinbe if he knows Ace.
Jinbe already knows his name and DF ability since so many bounty posters about Ace are spreading .

Thatch says to Jinbe that Whitebeard needs to refrain from eating salty foods for his health.
Thatch asks Jinbe to let them know if Jinbe gets to know more info about Ace. Thatch and Jinbe talk politely.
Thatch calls Jinbe "Boss Jinbe" (Jinbe-Oyabun) and Jinbe calls him "Thatch-san" like he calls Ace "Ace-san".

[Chapter 1]
Spade Pirates are in Fishman Island. Many of the crewmates visit Mermaid Cafe as soon as they arrive at the island.
Deuce is worried that Ace might visit there as well, but Skull says he doesn't know Ace's whereabouts.

Actually Ace is sleeping with eating in a cheap restaurant in Gyoverly Hills. Customers are staring at this weird man.
When he wakes up, Ace wipes his face with a apron of a female staff (eel fishman).

A tough-looking guy with a long hair talks to Ace. He tells Ace that Princess Shirahoshi has no choice but to hide in a Palace due to Vander Decken IX.
Ace tells him that rebellions might occur under such a weak King who can't even protect his Princess enough. The long haired guy warns Ace not to say that again.
Ace apologizes that he doesn't care about a country he passes by since he is a pirate. The guy tells Ace that rebellions will never occur thanks to 2 guys; Whitebeard and Jinbe.

Ace seems interested and stares at the long haired guy. "Whitebeard..."
The guy feels he shouldn't underestimate Ace despite his young age. Ace drinks up his liquor instantly as if he wants to declare that he will drink up Whitebeard as well.
The guy asks Ace about his name. Ace replies, "I'm Portgas D Ace. Even in this deep sea, everyone will hear my reputation in the future."
The guy is surprised since he has already heard about his name via newspaper. The guy turns out to be Aladine.
He is wondering if Ace is just a idiot or a big shot. The restaurant staff realizes that Ace left without paying money...

Ace comes back to his ship called "Piece of Spadille". He is jealous of other crewmates who are out to enjoy Mermaid Cafe.
According to Miharl, who was a teacher before and gives lessons to crewmates how to read newspapers,
other members didn't ask Ace to visit the cafe since they thought Ace would be pretty popular among mermaids.

Ace says that the weakest point of Spade Pirates is that they don't have a cook. A middle-aged female pirate named Bancy usually cooks for them,
but Ace says that even the bandits in Mount. Colbo ate more delicious food.

Deuce returns to their ship and shows new Ace's bounty poster. Ace is glad that his bounty is more than 100 million berry now.
On the other hand, Deuce is worried if they can survive in tough New World. He is surprised that Ace is staring at a pirate flag of Whitebeard.
Deuce tells Ace not to pick a fight against Whitebeard.
Ace says, "We'll be aiming to reach the "summit" of pirates. Anyone has been able to join Spade Pirates, but from now on,
those who don't have the courage to fight should just keep running after mermaid's ass!"

Ace burns Whitebeard's pirate flag with his DF. It looks like a fire flag. "This is the flag of Spade Pirates with my reputation!"
Crewmates come back to the ship. None of them have a fear even after seeing WB's flag burned by Ace.
They need to leave Fishman Island before many people notice this incident. Ace's ambition is burning like a fire. "Let's set sail to New World!"

Ace has to obtain a huge reputation that can change the era and go beyond Pirate King. Otherwise, his hatred toward his own father and the world would kill himself.

[Chapter 2]
Spade Pirates arrive in New World. Some of the crewmates complain that they want to eat delicious foods in Mermaid Cafe again.
Ace tells them that they should at least appreciate the fact that they can eat hot food on the sea thanks to Ace's fire. They want their own cook for a crewmate.

Deuce tries to stop Ace from going to meet Yonkou Shanks. According to unknown sources related to World Government,
Shanks is scary when he gets mad; Whitebeard is scary when someone does bad things against their honor and humanity; Big Mom is scary when she is in a bad mood;
Kaido is scary enough with his existence. If we consider WB and Big Mom as old generation, Kaido and Shanks belong to younger generation.

To let crewmates know about Shanks' personality, Ace mentions the incident between Shanks and a bandit (Higuma) in Windmill Village.
No one else in Spade Pirates has heard about it. Deuce is surprised that Shanks apologized to a bandit despite him smashing a bottle.
Deuce asks him if Ace has met Shanks before, but he denies. Ace wants to know what made Shanks become Yonkou.
It is more difficult to know the whereabouts of Shanks than any other Yonkous.

Ace appears in a cave in winter island where Red Hair Pirates are holding a dinner party. None of the executives are not surprised at his sudden visit.
Shanks asks Ace, "You want to greet me...?" The fire on wood fuel wavers. Actually it was Shanks' Conqueror Haki, but Ace is strong enough to withstand it.

Ace starts a pretty polite and old-fashioned greetings to Shanks. Ace introduces himself about where he was born and was brought up, but he forgot his bounty.
"Well.. Do you happen to know how much is my bounty..?"
Ace says Makino told him about this way of greeting. Red Hair Pirates are interested to hear the name of Makino and decide to receive a big bottle of sake from Ace.
Ace tells Shanks that his brother is Luffy. Red Hair Pirates shout, "You should have told us about it, first of all!!"Shanks pats Ace on the shoulder and a party starts!

Ace and Shanks talk about Luffy. When asked if Ace visited Logue Town, he replied that he is not interested in Pirate King unlike Luffy.
Ace says the he wants to make his reputation spread all over the world. At this moment, Shanks notices a dark fire lit in Ace's eyes.
He asks, "How do you improve your reputation if you are not interested in Pirate King?" Ace replies that he is aiming to defeat Yonkou.
He adds that he has no intention to defeat Shanks. Shanks asks, "Will you tell me among other Yonkous whom you want to defeat? Kaido? Big Mom? Or perhaps..."
Ace says, "Whitebeard."
All executives in Red Hair Pirates including Shanks are surprised. Ace feels his resolution is getting more solid as he talks with Shanks.
"My enemy is this whole world. I'll defeat Shichibukai, Yonkou and even Celestial Dragons."

Ace asks Shanks from whom he got his scar on the face. Ace is surprised that just a normal crewmate in Whitebeard Pirates hurt him.
Red Hair pirates are surprised as well since Shanks has rarely talked about that scar.
Shanks says, "I don't know what he is doing now. This scar has not been aching these days..." The party ends. Spade Pirates leave the island.

Shanks says, "Actually I had noticed Ace's Haki ever since he was off the coast of this island. He was like a fire itself, wasn't he?"
Beckman says, "Yeah, that's why the snow melted away. Now that he left, snowstorm is coming again."

Shanks asks clever Beckman about the evaluation for Ace. Beckman says, "Ace is more naive than his appearances.
He seems like a fighter rather than a pirate. He should have joined Revolutionary Army if he wants to destroy this world.
At this rate, he will not be able to become a captain of multiple ships."

Beckman doesn't consider Ace deserving a Shichibukai. He is wondering if there is some reason with World Government behind Ace's too high bounty
which is far more than 100 million berry.
Shanks says, "Ace said he was born in Baterilla, South Blue." He then repeats, "Baterilla..." Shanks smiles and recalls that Ace had known Roger's true name including D.
Beckman thinks the smile looks a bit different from what he usually has seen from Shanks.
 
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Ace apologizes that he doesn't care about a country he passes by since he is a pirate.

.......

Shanks asks clever Beckman about the evaluation for Ace. Beckman says, "Ace is more naive than his appearances.
He seems like a fighter rather than a pirate. He should have joined Revolutionary Army if he wants to destroy this world.
At this rate, he will not be able to become a captain of multiple ships."

Beckman doesn't consider Ace deserving a Shichibukai. He is wondering if there is some reason with World Government behind Ace's too high bounty
which is far more than 100 million berry.
Shanks says, "Ace said he was born in Baterilla, South Blue." He then repeats, "Baterilla..." Shanks smiles and recalls that Ace had known Roger's true name including D.
Beckman thinks the smile looks a bit different from what he usually has seen from Shanks.
Probably the most fundamental difference between Roger/Ace and Luffy.
 

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I don't think Roger was an Emperor, he didn't have a fleet seemingly or much influence.

Powerful influential Pirates would always have existed. It's like saying that Rich people never existed. Why wouldn't People want to be rich or why wouldn't people want to be influential Pirates?

Morgan states Luffy is possibly the 5th Emperor because he has strength to challenge the Emperor, influence and a fleet.

And Whitebeard likely cared. He's done everything that is consistent with One Piece up until Roger became King:
  1. Why would he have Oden who only sailed to learn more about the Poneglyph on his ship if Whitebeard wasn't acquainted with them?
  2. Why did Roger even suggest telling him the location if he never had interest in it initially?
It implies he did aim to go after One Piece at a point.
Why are you comparing rich people to powerful, influential pirates? Pirates have a roadblock in the Marines while the wealthy wouldn't necessarily have roadblocks. The wealthy can afford to say "fuck you" to the laws and get away with stuff whereas the pirates would need strength to get away and hope they don't come across admirals.

Yes, but what we've seen is different. Luffy might have the influence, but he doesn't have the strength to beat an Emperor or make them not want to wage a war against him. Luffy doesn't even deserve to be considered as the fifth emperor, given what we've seen, at least not until he shows he could at least tie with a Yonkou in a battle.


Again, there's no proof that he did, and there's actually proof that he didn't.

1. What if Oden requested Whitebeard to take him along because of Whitebeard's power and protection, and Whitebeard agreed to go to Raftel only because of that? And if Oden sailed with Whitebeard because he was going to Raftel either way, then why switch to Roger's ship? Why not stay with Whitebeard, who's arguably the strongest or second strongest pirate?

2. as I said, because Roger trusts Whitebeard and thinks he might be interested in the future, or because Roger wanted to make sure someone had the knowledge so they could continue what he couldn't do. If Whitebeard wanted to go after One Piece, then why hasn't there been any hint? Hell, all we got from a flashback was that he wanted to have a pirate family of his own and didn't care about treasures or riches. You're gonna have to give us something solid to go by that can counter his flashback of wanting a pirate family.
 

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Why are you comparing rich people to powerful, influential pirates? Pirates have a roadblock in the Marines while the wealthy wouldn't necessarily have roadblocks. The wealthy can afford to say "fuck you" to the laws and get away with stuff whereas the pirates would need strength to get away and hope they don't come across admirals.
Human nature.

Why wouldn't Pirates want to be influential? Whole purpose of being a Pirate is to gain wealth, have a huge fleet, be powerful.

Makes no sense to assume these are things people would want only after Roger. Thus the idea Emperors didn't exist prior to Roger's death making no sense. Thus the comparison to rich people. People will always have ambition.

Yes, but what we've seen is different. Luffy might have the influence, but he doesn't have the strength to beat an Emperor or make them not want to wage a war against him. Luffy doesn't even deserve to be considered as the fifth emperor, given what we've seen, at least not until he shows he could at least tie with a Yonkou in a battle.
Irrelevant. All that matters is results. Crocodile wanted Pluton despite being physically weak so he could create an organisation in Alabasta as powerful as the WG. That'd make him an Emperor because of the power and influence. It's not all physical strength or that'd be the only denominator or factor making one an Emperor.

Again, there's no proof that he did, and there's actually proof that he didn't.
Nope, wrong. People only learn of Poneglyphs, Ancient Kingdom and Raftel at the end of the Grand Line.

Whitebeard doing anything related to the Poneglypg suggests so.

The only thing you can really do is deny what he's doing as not being possible related to the Poneglypg, but you'd obviously be wrong.

Not only did he go to Wano and recruit Oden, Roger actually asked if he wanted the location to Raftel. 2 things that imply he once had the ambition. There's really no good argument you could formulate against those 2 points.

Roger was far too responsible to detail Whitebeard with the specifics regarding One Piece if he wasn't once interested or had the ambition for it.

1. What if Oden requested Whitebeard to take him along because of Whitebeard's power and protection, and Whitebeard agreed to go to Raftel only because of that? And if Oden sailed with Whitebeard because he was going to Raftel either way, then why switch to Roger's ship? Why not stay with Whitebeard, who's arguably the strongest or second strongest pirate?
Oden was a kid similar age as Shanks and Buggy, Shanks was 14 when Roger became Pirate King which suggests Oden was of similar age. Why would Whitebeard take orders from a kid?

2. as I said, because Roger trusts Whitebeard and thinks he might be interested in the future, or because Roger wanted to make sure someone had the knowledge so they could continue what he couldn't do. If Whitebeard wanted to go after One Piece, then why hasn't there been any hint? Hell, all we got from a flashback was that he wanted to have a pirate family of his own and didn't care about treasures or riches. You're gonna have to give us something solid to go by that can counter his flashback of wanting a pirate family.
There have been hints. Wano, Oden and Roger offering.

One Piece also isn't riches, so his not caring about wealth is irrelevant.

Nope, when things are implied, solid evidence isn't needed. It's like saying that unless someone screams they're noy in pain despite pulling weird expressions, limping around, groaning and any sign of pain/discomfort which strongly hint at pain.
 
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Chapter 3 summary is out, by sandman@AP

According to some information collected by Skull in Spade Pirates, Whitebeard is the strongest in the world.
But the author of this novel says it is not easy to define the word "strongest".
Skull loves anything about pirates and collects pirates goods. He believes Kaido is the strongest in 1 on 1 fight.
He adds that Kaido is the "strongest creature". He wouldn't die even if you tried to kill him; Big Mom is the "strongest family";
Whitebeard is the "strongest pirate" from the way he has lived.

Deuce analyzes that Kaido is a dangerous pirate who loves violence; Big Mom prefers business; Whitebeard is a classic pirate.
Deuce doesn't know how to analyze Shanks.

Skull opens a sea chart and sets up a chessboard. He says that "Bohemian Knight" Doma, A.O and other pirates are trying to invade WB's territory.
They are not allied, but they started attacking at the same time. It seems other Yonkou(s) are involved behind this invasion.
Some of WB commanders with 4 ships left Moby-Dick to stop the invasion.
Ace says, "It means the defense for white King is weaker than usual, right? This is a nice opportunity to kill Whitebeard."

Under Spade Pirates ship, a fishman has been secretly chasing them since they entered New World...

Spade Pirates arrive in a refilling island for WB pirates. The island is surrounded by fog. They heard that WB would come to this island soon.
Deuce warns Ace that some subordinates of WB might be staying in the island. Ace replies, "No problem. If that is the case, we'll just start a war."

Deuce feels Ace has been more reckless these days ever since he entered New World.
Deuce makes a guess that Ace wants to free himself from a prison called Roger.
Deuce believes Ace will not be satisfied with becoming Pirate King and getting ONE PIECE since his own father already did the same thing.

A big guy appears from under the sea. He is holding a pirate flag of Spade Pirates and throws it away like a trash.
Spade Pirates get mad. A young fishman named Wallace notices the guy is Jinbe. Actually fishmans who were ordered by Jinbe have been chasing Spade Pirates.

Jinbe says, "Oh, you have a fishman in your crewmate... You know who I am, right?" Wallace is trembling with fear.
Ace asks with anger, "You... You know what it means!?"
Jinbe replies, "That's my line! Did you know what it meant to burn Whitebeard's flag in Fishman Island!? Are you the brat who rejected the offer for Shichibukai?"

Ace releases his fire, which makes the fog in the island starting to clear.
The details about the fight between Ace and Jinbe are not mentioned in the novel.

Both of them are exhausted since they keep fighting 5 days. Spade Pirates are worried about them and at the same time,
they are excited to see the full strength of Ace for the first time who is fighting equally against Jinbe.

Spade Pirates have not been able to help Ace during this fight since the fight is much higher level than they can get involved.
Deuce approaches Ace and Jinbe, who are down on the ground.
Deuce tells Ace that Spade Pirates will escape from the island with him since Jinbe is too strong, but Ace won't accept it.

Spade Pirates notice Whitebeard standing on Moby Dick. They scream at the flying slash from Whitebeard.
The scream wakes up Ace who were felting foggy in the head. Ace released "Flame Fence" so that his crewmates can escape.
Ace says, "Let them go. In exchange, I will stay here!"
Whitebeard waits for a moment until Spade Pirates finish escaping. Ace loses the fight.
All of Whitebeard's words after the fight ("Become my son!" etc) make Ace mad since he feels he is treated like a child.

Another thing sandman mentioned, perhaps to clear up his previous summary:

By the way,
"Red Hair pirates are surprised as well since Shanks has rarely talked about that scar. "

About this line in my previous summary, it seems some people on other forums interpreted that Shanks has never talked about his scar in front of his crewmates,
but that is not the case from the novel.

They (at least executives) have heard about it before, but they are still surprised since it's pretty rare that Shanks mentions the scar.
 

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More from sandman@APForums with Ace's novel:

Here is my summary of chapter 4 in Novel Ace volume 2.
Ace joins Whitebeard Pirates as a guest in this chapter. He's not a crewmate of WB pirates yet.

[Chapter 4]
Ace tries to kill Whitebeard day after day, but he can't. One day, Ace wakes up in a bed in a medical room.
Deuce in white clothes asks him, "Oh, you come here again.." Deuce is surrounded by some nurses.
They call him "young sensei (doctor)" with a sexy voice, but Deuce doesn't want to be called like that since he didn't graduate from medical school.
Actually he dropped out of it after a quarrel with his father, who is a famous doctor.

Several weeks have passed since Ace was defeated by Whitebeard. Deuce is now one of the main doctors in Whitebeard pirates.
According to Deuce, medical equipments in Whitebeard Pirates is as excellent as hospitals in big cities.
All equipments are prepared for Whitebeard. Deuce says Whitebeard is not as strong as what he used to be in his prime.
So many people's lives are protected under the umbrella of Whitebeard. They will be in danger if something bad happens to Whitebeard's health.
Ace feels Deuce is implying Ace should stop trying to kill WB. Ace makes a sarcasm, "It looks like you've joined Whitebeard Pirates, right?"

Deuce replies that Spide Pirates including Ace were defeated by WB pirates, but Whitebeard forgave them.
It means they are in debt to WB. Deuce says, "You are my only captain, Ace. I'd like to follow you no matter what life you wants to live.
But if you try to kill Whitebeard, you should fight him openly. Don't let me betray you."

Other members in Spade Pirates have already worked under WB; Skull collects information. Miharl teaches how to read/write.
Kotatsu (wildcat) is hunting foods. Ace is the only member who doesn't know where he should belong.

Thatch is the head chef in Whitebeard Pirates kitchen. The members in 4th division have been responsible for a kitchen since Thatch became a commander.
They are cooks, hunters and fishermen.
According to Thatch, they would have killed Ace including his crewmates if Ace was a bit stronger so that Whitebeard Pirates could protect their territory.
It means Ace's life was saved thanks to his weakness.

Teach breaks a plate accidentally when eating a pie. Ace thinks, "What a vulgar guy.."

The big guy Teach looks down at Ace and asks provokingly,
"You are the guy with more than 100 million berry bounty who rejected the offer to join Shichibukai, right!?"

Ace is cautious about him.

Teach asks, "You are DF user, right? What DF did you eat?" , but Ace doesn't reply.

Thatch says, "He ate Mera Mera fruit. Stop it already, Teach. Ace is young."

Teach laughs and pats Ace on the back strongly. Ace is about to choke.
Teach asks Ace about the flavor of DF and leaves the dining room with releasing a huge fart. Ace shows a painful face at the bad smell.

Thatch says, "Well, he is not a bad guy, though."

Ace finds Kotatsu (wildcat) in Spade Pirates trembling with fear on the floor.
Ace asks, "What's wrong, Kotatsu?"

Kotatsu keeps glaring at the direction where Teach left...

After talking with WB, Ace becomes the official guest in Whitebeard Pirates. Whitebeard tells Thatch to be responsible for Ace.
Thatch is busy for kitchen, so Whitebeard tells Teach as well to take care of Ace since Teach is an old member and knows their rule well.

Ace complains that Thatch is spreadings a rumor that Ace will join WB if he loses Whitebeard 100 times.

Thatch: "If you lose WB 100 times, you won't win even if you fight 1000 times! Anyway, set fire to the pot!"

Ace makes a fire with his DF without saying any words.

Thatch: "Great! When you join WB pirates, be sure to join 4th division. I'll train you to be a great fire chef!"

Ace: "Say whatever you want!"

[Chapter 5-1]
Before Yonko, Roger, Whitebeard and Shiki reigned New World. Thatch says Kaido is a gangster rather than a pirate.
Thatch and Ace are talking in enemy's ship . Enemies were defeated in short minutes. Ace thinks Thatch's strength deserves a commander of 4th division.
His weapon is similar to a kitchen knife with the length of about 1 meter. Vista in 5th division is far stronger than Thatch in terms of swordsmanship.

The enemy pirates are criminals for eating foods without paying money in the territory of Whitebeard. Thatch says drugs and slaves are not allowed in WB's territory.
Teach appears with a captain of the enemy pirates on his hand. Teach throws him away like a bowling ball.
According to Skull, the captain is "Pretended Sleep" Racoon with 75 million berry from West Blue.
Thatch decides to sell him to Marines via brokers who pretend to be bounty hunters. The captain shoots a pistol against Teach.
Teach shouts at his injury shedding blood. He stomps the captain with no mercy, the sound of which Ace thinks he doesn't want to hear again.
When Ace asks Teach if he is OK, Teach laughs and starts shouting in pain. Ace thinks what a weird guy Teach is..

In a bar, Ace asks Thatch who injured Shanks in Whitebeard Pirates, but Thatch doesn't know someone in WB Pirates injured Shanks.
"Is The person not even a commander..? If a commander had injured him, it would have become big news.. Do you know something about it, Teach?"
Teach replies, "It's me."
Thatch and Ace are surprised to hear that, but Teach soon adds, "Just kidding."

Till now, Whitebeard has never released his Gura Gura power during fights against Ace. Thatch is jealous about Ace's fire devil fruit since Thatch is a cook.
Teach advises him to kill Ace if he wants to get the fire devil fruit. Thatch says that is a bad joke and there is no devil fruit he wants to eat if he has to kill someone.

Ace asks Teach what kind of DF he wants to get.
Before Teach replies, Thatch says, "I know the DF you want to eat, Teach."
Teach is surprised, "Why.. Why do you know about it!!?"
Thatch replies, "It's easy to guess. That legndary Suke-Suke (Transparent) DF, right?"
Teach laughs, "Zehahaha! You found out the truth!"
Thatch says, "I can understand you. It's men's dream..!!"

Little girls gather around their tables. The girls give flower wreaths to them to show appreciation for defeating pirates (Racoon) in WB territory.
Ace can't help receiving the flowers so that the girls don't dislike him since Thatch and Teach have already received flowers.
Ace is wondering if he has received flowers from other people. He was feeling that he would never receive flowers even when he died.
Teach puts the flowers on his pasta and eats them all. The girls are too surprised to say words.

Teach says, "These flowers taste good! Give me yours as well, Ace!" Ace gives them.
Thatch asks the girls, "These guys' talk is not interesting, right? Thank you for the flowers. Would you marry me in 20..10 years?"
The girls instantly decline the offer.

Deuce is talking in a medical room with an unexpected guest, Whitebeard. Whitebeard calls him "young sensei/doctor".
Whitebeard has a small burn injury on his hand due to the fight against Ace.
Whitebeard smiles, "Ace is getting stronger. I wonder how many times we have fought..."
Deuce replies, "99 times so far."

Whitebeard doesn't know the relationship between Ace and Roger yet." These days, Ace frequently remembers the girls who gave him flowers.
Acer realizes that the title of Yonko is given to those who have built up their own territory/world. Whitebeard is not just a destroyer anymore for Ace..

* This is a summary for the first half of chapter 5 since it has much more pages than other chapters.
 

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More from sandman@APForums with Ace's novel:

Here is my summary of chapter 4 in Novel Ace volume 2.
Ace joins Whitebeard Pirates as a guest in this chapter. He's not a crewmate of WB pirates yet.

[Chapter 4]
Ace tries to kill Whitebeard day after day, but he can't. One day, Ace wakes up in a bed in a medical room.
Deuce in white clothes asks him, "Oh, you come here again.." Deuce is surrounded by some nurses.
They call him "young sensei (doctor)" with a sexy voice, but Deuce doesn't want to be called like that since he didn't graduate from medical school.
Actually he dropped out of it after a quarrel with his father, who is a famous doctor.

Several weeks have passed since Ace was defeated by Whitebeard. Deuce is now one of the main doctors in Whitebeard pirates.
According to Deuce, medical equipments in Whitebeard Pirates is as excellent as hospitals in big cities.
All equipments are prepared for Whitebeard. Deuce says Whitebeard is not as strong as what he used to be in his prime.
So many people's lives are protected under the umbrella of Whitebeard. They will be in danger if something bad happens to Whitebeard's health.
Ace feels Deuce is implying Ace should stop trying to kill WB. Ace makes a sarcasm, "It looks like you've joined Whitebeard Pirates, right?"

Deuce replies that Spide Pirates including Ace were defeated by WB pirates, but Whitebeard forgave them.
It means they are in debt to WB. Deuce says, "You are my only captain, Ace. I'd like to follow you no matter what life you wants to live.
But if you try to kill Whitebeard, you should fight him openly. Don't let me betray you."

Other members in Spade Pirates have already worked under WB; Skull collects information. Miharl teaches how to read/write.
Kotatsu (wildcat) is hunting foods. Ace is the only member who doesn't know where he should belong.

Thatch is the head chef in Whitebeard Pirates kitchen. The members in 4th division have been responsible for a kitchen since Thatch became a commander.
They are cooks, hunters and fishermen.
According to Thatch, they would have killed Ace including his crewmates if Ace was a bit stronger so that Whitebeard Pirates could protect their territory.
It means Ace's life was saved thanks to his weakness.

Teach breaks a plate accidentally when eating a pie. Ace thinks, "What a vulgar guy.."

The big guy Teach looks down at Ace and asks provokingly,
"You are the guy with more than 100 million berry bounty who rejected the offer to join Shichibukai, right!?"

Ace is cautious about him.

Teach asks, "You are DF user, right? What DF did you eat?" , but Ace doesn't reply.

Thatch says, "He ate Mera Mera fruit. Stop it already, Teach. Ace is young."

Teach laughs and pats Ace on the back strongly. Ace is about to choke.
Teach asks Ace about the flavor of DF and leaves the dining room with releasing a huge fart. Ace shows a painful face at the bad smell.

Thatch says, "Well, he is not a bad guy, though."

Ace finds Kotatsu (wildcat) in Spade Pirates trembling with fear on the floor.
Ace asks, "What's wrong, Kotatsu?"

Kotatsu keeps glaring at the direction where Teach left...

After talking with WB, Ace becomes the official guest in Whitebeard Pirates. Whitebeard tells Thatch to be responsible for Ace.
Thatch is busy for kitchen, so Whitebeard tells Teach as well to take care of Ace since Teach is an old member and knows their rule well.

Ace complains that Thatch is spreadings a rumor that Ace will join WB if he loses Whitebeard 100 times.

Thatch: "If you lose WB 100 times, you won't win even if you fight 1000 times! Anyway, set fire to the pot!"

Ace makes a fire with his DF without saying any words.

Thatch: "Great! When you join WB pirates, be sure to join 4th division. I'll train you to be a great fire chef!"

Ace: "Say whatever you want!"

[Chapter 5-1]
Before Yonko, Roger, Whitebeard and Shiki reigned New World. Thatch says Kaido is a gangster rather than a pirate.
Thatch and Ace are talking in enemy's ship . Enemies were defeated in short minutes. Ace thinks Thatch's strength deserves a commander of 4th division.
His weapon is similar to a kitchen knife with the length of about 1 meter. Vista in 5th division is far stronger than Thatch in terms of swordsmanship.

The enemy pirates are criminals for eating foods without paying money in the territory of Whitebeard. Thatch says drugs and slaves are not allowed in WB's territory.
Teach appears with a captain of the enemy pirates on his hand. Teach throws him away like a bowling ball.
According to Skull, the captain is "Pretended Sleep" Racoon with 75 million berry from West Blue.
Thatch decides to sell him to Marines via brokers who pretend to be bounty hunters. The captain shoots a pistol against Teach.
Teach shouts at his injury shedding blood. He stomps the captain with no mercy, the sound of which Ace thinks he doesn't want to hear again.
When Ace asks Teach if he is OK, Teach laughs and starts shouting in pain. Ace thinks what a weird guy Teach is..

In a bar, Ace asks Thatch who injured Shanks in Whitebeard Pirates, but Thatch doesn't know someone in WB Pirates injured Shanks.
"Is The person not even a commander..? If a commander had injured him, it would have become big news.. Do you know something about it, Teach?"
Teach replies, "It's me."
Thatch and Ace are surprised to hear that, but Teach soon adds, "Just kidding."

Till now, Whitebeard has never released his Gura Gura power during fights against Ace. Thatch is jealous about Ace's fire devil fruit since Thatch is a cook.
Teach advises him to kill Ace if he wants to get the fire devil fruit. Thatch says that is a bad joke and there is no devil fruit he wants to eat if he has to kill someone.

Ace asks Teach what kind of DF he wants to get.
Before Teach replies, Thatch says, "I know the DF you want to eat, Teach."
Teach is surprised, "Why.. Why do you know about it!!?"
Thatch replies, "It's easy to guess. That legndary Suke-Suke (Transparent) DF, right?"
Teach laughs, "Zehahaha! You found out the truth!"
Thatch says, "I can understand you. It's men's dream..!!"

Little girls gather around their tables. The girls give flower wreaths to them to show appreciation for defeating pirates (Racoon) in WB territory.
Ace can't help receiving the flowers so that the girls don't dislike him since Thatch and Teach have already received flowers.
Ace is wondering if he has received flowers from other people. He was feeling that he would never receive flowers even when he died.
Teach puts the flowers on his pasta and eats them all. The girls are too surprised to say words.

Teach says, "These flowers taste good! Give me yours as well, Ace!" Ace gives them.
Thatch asks the girls, "These guys' talk is not interesting, right? Thank you for the flowers. Would you marry me in 20..10 years?"
The girls instantly decline the offer.

Deuce is talking in a medical room with an unexpected guest, Whitebeard. Whitebeard calls him "young sensei/doctor".
Whitebeard has a small burn injury on his hand due to the fight against Ace.
Whitebeard smiles, "Ace is getting stronger. I wonder how many times we have fought..."
Deuce replies, "99 times so far."

Whitebeard doesn't know the relationship between Ace and Roger yet." These days, Ace frequently remembers the girls who gave him flowers.
Acer realizes that the title of Yonko is given to those who have built up their own territory/world. Whitebeard is not just a destroyer anymore for Ace..

* This is a summary for the first half of chapter 5 since it has much more pages than other chapters.
wow this is interesting
do u have volume 1 summary?
 

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Holy cow....
Things are getting interesting...
So its confirmed that during Roger, it was Sanku...So Deuce and crew are still around with WB pirates..
 

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Urouge was there to hide after his battle with Snack and Cracker and heal his wounds. I think Urouge knows secret ways to go up to the sky that other people have no access to.
Urouge can fly, no?

My guess is Hawkins is unsure about what to do because the cards tell him he loses either way. He probably checked and noticed that fighting both Zoro and Luffy = Losing, but also going against Kaido = Losing. Unless Oda wants Luffy to get beat because he is weak at the moment and hungry. There is a good chance they lose due to Hawkins ability because Oda tends to write arcs that way, with Luffy losing at first, but if Hawkins can see the future as it seems he can, then he should know that there is zero chance of killing, or completely defeating Luffy and Zoro. His cards showed him before that Luffy cannot die (Ch.581 Pg. 4). I believe this wasn't just about Marinefold but anytime he sees Luffy's card Hawkins will notice Luffy cannot die. Also, neither can Kaido, since he is "immortal" and enjoys trying to kill himself. I wouldn't want to be on Hawkins shoes, knowing he cant kill either of them. Maybe the cards tell him he can kill Luffy but I doubt it. If they fight, I imagine it will be 3 vs 2. Luffy is hungry, we haven't seen them fight together in a while, and they have a sick person with them. They probably just want to beat Hawkins and his crew quickly and move on, seeing him only as a small road block.
Luffy is not hungry. At least not beyond his usual. Not enough to be weakened by it.
 

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with as large as Urogue's wings are, I wouldn't be suprised if he could glide at least. And if Kaido was just above Wano when he fell earlier I could see a possibility that urogue was in Wano. Only problem I could see with that is the rest of his crew... I don't think they have wings... Though I don't remember seeing them either way!
 

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Urouge can fly, no?
How can Urouge fly?
Wings duh...……

Well, he is from a sky island, so he could have the means to get to sky islands... probably like a balloon or something...

If a fight or skirmish was to start, I would like to see Luffy seeing the future using Haki, he needs to master that ability and use it in battle quite quickly
That will be funny, cos that's what Hawkins is doing essentially with all his probability calculations...
 
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