Big Mom's devil fruit power is certainly terrifying and powerful, but if we're speaking about raw destructive capabilities, Akainu's fruit is above hers. There isn't much else to that.
Big Mom's devil fruit power is certainly terrifying and powerful, but if we're speaking about raw destructive capabilities, Akainu's fruit is above hers. There isn't much else to that.
It's hype for Akainu basically. His fruit isn't being called the most killing efficient or even the most powerful Logia. Just that is has the most powerful offensive. I believe Oda's logic is that "high-level" flames can basically obliterate anything. We saw this when Akainu took half of Whitebeard's face off and recently with Kaido's Flaming Dragon Torch.
But we have never seen Big Mom doing anything like that, right?
Big Mom's greatest feats are based on Haki. When it comes to Zeus or Prometheus, they aren't really massive in scale.
The prisoners of Level 6 were said to be dangerous to any nearby country, which doesn't mean they can literally nuke an island.
The Bird Cage is the closest we got, but even then it's one specific attack... compare it to Aokiji casually freezing countless kilometers of water in 1 second, or Kizaru blowing up the ocean near Marineford.
It depends on the prisoner I suppose? At an absolute bare minimum SJW can nuke an island by rolling around a bit. And there's at least a few instances of big mom's more massive attacks, though in a few she was out of her mind.
Agree that Akainu's fruit in general is more destructive than Big Mom's if comparing the DF themselves. However the way she has used her Soru Soru powers to create elemental homies gives her the capacity to actually be as destructive as Akainu in varying ways. Since we've seen Big Mom cover an island in a storm, scaling her elemental homies range seems clearly possible.
With that in mind I think Big Mom can do scaled attacks like
- Cover an island with thunderclouds and rain lighting everywhere, similar to that lighting island
- Create an island size wildfire that consumes everything in its way
- Create a tsunami homie that can flood an island
- Heck BM can create a magma homie if she wants and do similar things to Akainu
The main con for BM in all of these is that she can't do this without using a soul, likely needs to use her own for homie to be powerful enough to do island level feats.
But we have never seen Big Mom doing anything like that, right?
Big Mom's greatest feats are based on Haki. When it comes to Zeus or Prometheus, they aren't really massive in scale.
The prisoners of Level 6 were said to be dangerous to any nearby country, which doesn't mean they can literally nuke an island.
The Bird Cage is the closest we got, but even then it's one specific attack... compare it to Aokiji casually freezing countless kilometers of water in 1 second, or Kizaru blowing up the ocean near Marineford.
Big Mom that was said to have the Potential Power of a Fleet Admiral before she got the Devil Fruit? And has an Island that is full over her Devil Fruit Powers?
Shouldn’t we just be glad that any of the Straw Hats get attention at all? I don’t think the anime, nor Oda, is trying to send the message of other members having to be downplayed as if inferior.
Hmmmmm,
Just about every moment.
"Well I could make this a big Sanji moment. Nah I'll make it look like it is about to be a Sanji moment and give it to Zoro. Or just phase Sanji out of a big potential monent."
It still is real irksome that these people just basically said lets leave Sanji out when it was very clear that out of the non defectors he was the next strongest amongst. It just so happens that Sanji was the next strongest person in the group. Like if you said how to rank people like war potentials in bleach tybw but not necessarily special reasons and just strength ranks, Sanji would basically be 5th or 6th. And when you list Luffy, Law, Kidd, Zoro, Killer, the next person to go would be Sanji. Its like Oda made sure to cut it off right before Sanji. They really had Sanji go on a side mission instead of get to face Kaido. Again, if there was on person who truly has a reason to be on the rooftop out of all the outer pirates, it would be Sanji by way of Big Mom planning to assassinate him. They just literally just erased the whole reality of what Big Mom did to Sanji and sent him on a side mission. Like it was completely wiped out of existence. The only person that seemed to recall it was Peropsero who attempted to kill Sanji again. There was no Sanji showing off the Raid Suit to Big Mom, nothing. This big basically many years plan Big Mom had of allying with the Germa just wiped from existence once they got to Wano.
Who watching One Piece would really be on some Sanji didn't get to face the Yonko directly for bragging rights but he realized he could ask one of his crew members for help against a lesser opponent. He didn't get to get revenge for an assassination plot against him but he got to realize he could ask a crew member for help.
At least now with this exoskeleton stuff, Oda could possibly now justify him in these battles against more major opponents instead making him like an exclusion.
Big Mom that was said to have the Potential Power of a Fleet Admiral before she got the Devil Fruit? And has an Island that is full over her Devil Fruit Powers?
It still is real irksome that these people just basically said lets leave Sanji out when it was very clear that out of the non defectors he was the next strongest amongst.
I personally don't really care for monster trios, wings, or strength contests, and tolerate others being fans over it, but yeah, I don't approve of people using strength to exclude others as if they're inferior and worthless. People should instead be encouraged to take in Sanji's words about what he said about focusing on what people can do as opposed to what they can't, regardless of physical strength.
Random here but anyone notice in Enies Lobby, in the anime, that Zoro and Sanji's shirts are basically close in tone to the hair color of the other. Zoro a darker version of Sanji hair. Sanji a lighter version.
Also, as per the monster trio I know they usually get compared by way of how they rank in Yonko hierarchy including commanders and such. But I'm starting to wonder if each of them specifically represents aspects of a Yonko and their commanders. Because technically Oda started things as, the balance of powers. Which were Yonko, Warlords, World Gov't. And technically if you look at it the monster Trio basically each represent one of those balances.
Luffy - Pirate of all Pirates
Zoro - The Mercenaries (Ties to the Samurai and reflects their nature)
Sanji - The Militia (even his family comic involves the Marines and his mother takes on the name of the Marine hero), his family deals in World Gov't affairs, Reverie (Levely).
I'm guessing in similar ways that the nature of the Yonko crews are also them as well.
And technically it could even be even the humane ones. Or Roger, Whitebeard and Shanks crew. While Luffy is the strongest it seems he would fit the nature of Shanks crew (all around balanced, Luffy having advanced versions of all 3 Haki types), Roger fitting Zoro (as Zoro is the brute force one, since Roger was apparently the strongest), and Whitebeard fitting the nature of Sanji. That sounds a bit strange since the story itself always compares Luffy to Roger but Luffy is inspired by Shanks. I'm not saying Zoro is like Roger either. Rather that Oda may have made the three of them to respent aspects of Roger's crew or a Yonko crew.
Another thing, Vegapunk and him not explaining anything about Kizaru devil fruit. We see Kizaru is headed to or already at the Island. Possibly who caused the systems down issue. But Sanji's raid suit ability is apparently being said to allow him to camouflage by reflecting light. Which is Kizaru's devil fruit. And the first devil fruit aspect that was copied into the Pacifista was Kizaru laser. Also is anyone confused how Franky could apparently copy Kizaru's laser by studying Vegapunks research at his homeland laboratory. That seems like it was abandoned. Seems like the timeline seems off. Along with the whole Sentomaru ties to Vegapunk and then Sentomaru being close to Kizaru apparently. Maybe Kizaru and Vegapunk have ties further back. And that research was shared during mass days. But not perfected and some aspect of Kizaru's ability is the basis of Sanji's raid suit camouflage.
I still don't believe Big Mom is dead. More than likely she'll reappear later and possibly have amnesia again like she did before, upon arriving in Wano. If anything, she might be in the final arc for the major war on the seas.
I also, think the Strawhats will take Vegapunk and his six versions to where Dragon and the Revolutionary army are located. However, if Kizaru and the military forces appear, we may have another major battle. It's possible, Kizaru may capture Robin and take her back to Mary Geoise to the Five Elders. I think, Robin has information pertaining to the final phase of the World Goverment's plans.
Seems like Bonney is going to get a good understanding everything her dad has been through quite soon. She’ll prob use this knowledge as a lead in to go to Dragon, further giving her good reason to sail on Luffy’s ship.
I said in 1072 but Oda is possibly working something here with Sanji. The whole Queens sword breaking on Sanji. Matches the Kaido intro about execution. When sentenced to execution by guillotine, the guillotine shattered.
No one could kill him not even himself.
Sanji: If blah blah, Zoro kill Sanji.
For Kaido: When skewered with a spear, the spear broke.
The first mention of a spear is Sanji's intro. Zeff talking about the spear that is Luffy's guts.
Kaido: Are you impervious to fire
Luffy: No that's guts
Zeff: Mention of Sanji being an idiot dulling his spear.
To me this refers to Sanji and his Haki, as well as willpower to awaken Conqueror's Haki. Basically Sanji seems to fit the whole child Gohan suppressed power thing. With the whole mention of Sanji's flames and his passion. Those character types in anime. Although usually the main character always seems to be the one who has some form of suppressed or unawakened abilities. But he fits those character types not as the lead protagonist type but the basic latent ability. Which Oda kind of hinted at his latent ability awakening.
Now not everything that fits together in a writing means that it is a sign of things to come.
However this is all in the same portion of the story following the intro of Sanji's origins. And we get emphasis on physical durability through the Zoans and a basically almost unkillable orochi. Durability boost that is something that basically only Sanji got.
As Zoro and Luffy's stuff was emphasized more offensively, though it can be used defensively. And basically we were shown Kaido's ability to withstand damage even exceeding Big Mom and everyone else, possibly even Marco.
The aspects Sanji lacks, is basically the strength Kaido has and the stamina Kaido has. Not saying Sanji is meant to be the World's strongest creature. But then again Kaido was called that but it seems to be made to seem Shanks is stronger (although Oden was in Kaido's mention and we are not sure if Oden would have won). And we don't know how the reference is relative to Mihawk. As the whole Mihawk slash to Whitebeard was exaggerated. That wasn't his strongest attack. That was likely very basic. Not sure how the Luffy, Zoro and Sanji trio will stack up in strength to the Yonko eventually but quite possible at least the defensive aspect of Kaido was meant to relate to Sanji.
Speaking of Wano, with the anime release well now you know I wouldn't be shocked if Zoro tends out to be the Ushimaru guys child.
I don't know if people are just playing oblivious or what but having Zoro face off against Ryuma and Ryuma's descendant looks like Zoro (as well as the version we see of a living Ryuma) and Zoro coming into contact with Ushimaru's companion fox. The whole sword recovery nature of the fox as well as Zoro bringing Shisui back to Wano after it his grave was very likely raided by Moriah. Plus Oda showed us other Shimotsuki and none of them look like Zoro but Ushimaru. So it probably gets discovered by Yamato on her travels through Wano or it is discovered or brought to Zoro's attention later. Which possibly will then lead to some whole matter with Kaido for killing him.
And I'll leave it at that. Just posting not really trying to start a whole thing about it.
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Also, I did point out that Judge's eyebrows look like Luffy's Gear 5th. It makes sense. Germa the evil empire.
Germa kingdom of Science.
Vegapunk said the Ancient Kingdom is a Kingdom of Science
Sora being the comic of the evil Germa vs the good Marines
Matches the ancient Kingdom war
Who's-Who said the mentioning of Nika led to a soldier's disappearance
Clover killed before mentioning a certain land
Brook terrified at the name Vinsmoke (Brook has been dead for 50 years, Judge was 6 when Brook died. So the Conquest by Judge didn't happen yet)
Germa was a mythical empire
Whitebeard and Marco saying Kings race was called a race of Gods and lived atop red line.
Queen mentioning Lunarians as to humans creating fire.
Brook mentioning how Oda Sanji being from the North Blue but being on East Blue is. Mentioning Sanji had to cross the Red Line, as the Germa can do.
If you consider all of Judge's children are modified as King said but Sanji is a failure that had the modifications suppressed and manage to create fire with his leg, well it is possible that the fire ability is from Judge's lineage but Judge's modification messed with it. People are presuming that aspect is Sora but it might actually be Judge.
Also, Judge was masked in at all times before the Nika transformation revealed. Even when Judge had his masked destroy, the eyebrows were not ever shown. Now after the Nika reveal the eyebrows are shown.
My guess is this, the right and left hand of Luffy are Zoro and Sanji. Zoro has ties to Wano which has ties to the Ancient Kingdom. Germa is likely also tied to the Ancient Kingdom but lost in passing down plus Marine depiction of them. If you think about it Germa is a floating sea Kingdom.
Also of note, for a Sanji that hates his family he sure decided to choose non land restaurants and rather sea restaurants. Sea restaurant is equivalent to Germa being a sea moving Kingdom.
Also speaking of floating sea Kingdom what was Water 7, who has the Blueprints to an Ancient passed down through them for years?
An island that basically is in danger of being drowned by high tides. And thus Iceberg is trying to turn it into a basically floating kingdom, basically similar to the Germa Kingdom.
Now what is interesting about Pluton, it is an Ancient weapon just like Poseidon that control Sea Kings. What are Sea Kings? The giant beasts that roam the seas. What is Germa's Kingdom? Basically come together with Giant huge sea slug.
Den-Den mushi's? Made out of sea slugs/snails.
Not saying they're the Ancient Kingdom but there is definitely major importance. Interesting Wano was an impenetrable fortress. And basically its real land flooded. Germa is a Kingdom that is constantly traveling and is able to detach from itself.
And the two factions respectively relate to
Zoro and Luffy, while Luffy has the Nika fruit and is apparently Joyboy.
Also, I mentioned above about Sanji in a different post. Interesting that Zeff mentions a spear. And Judge fights with one. While the Kaido thing I mentioned in connection with Sanji is regarding a spear breaking. The connection written between Kaido and Sanji is really there. Further with the military soldier Kaido was and the one Sanji is supposed to be, as I also said elsewhere. Along with Kaido's relationship to his child. Which apparently Kaido is possibly both Zeff and Judge mixed into one person, although with this hypothetical dual person of Zeff and Judge, Kaido would be more of Judge's personality. He's not completely Judge because Kaido wanted Yamato to rule as Shogun. That is more Zeff nature (not the dictator stuff) than Judge who basically completely views Sanji is a failed entity.
And also what did Judge due to get to Sanji? He used a wall and struck his spear through. The Wall is the impenetrable defense of Kaido of Kaido and the broken spear in his intro. Germa clones are weaker than Sanji. And what do we later see King do? King transformation into Full beast mode is a piercing attack into Raid Suit Sanji. King Later uses his Full Zoan form as a basically an extended spear against Zoro. Basically Sanji is meant to become an impenetrable "wall" defensively basically.
When you realize the real reason Sanji fought Luffy... Luffy, Reiju told me everything about your first meeting. Perspective.
Random question but do Devil Fruits spoil? Like do they rot and get reincarnated all the time without anyone eating them?
The thought came up for me when I realized some fruits like the ones Blueno or Brulee have give access to separate dimensions. Was wondering what would have happened if Luffy ditched Katakuri in mirror world and took Brulee with him. Had she died its likely Katakuri would stay stuck there until he died.
Random question but do Devil Fruits spoil? Like do they rot and get reincarnated all the time without anyone eating them?
The thought came up for me when I realized some fruits like the ones Blueno or Brulee have give access to separate dimensions. Was wondering what would have happened if Luffy ditched Katakuri in mirror world and took Brulee with him. Had she died its likely Katakuri would stay stuck there until he died.
I don't think devil fruits spoil since there's a few instances of them being simply stored for a time. Like luffy's which was on a government ship and then on shank's ship until luffy ate it.
Or these devil fruit related dimensions would have disappeared with their contents. Or the contents get expelled out.
I stumble on this video today and personally enjoy it so maybe others would too. A wano review vid from a channel with less than 100 sub when I found it this morning.
