Nope, just further proves that BIg Mom doesn't need to be taken down this arc. Even if Luffy doesn't run, he can be taken away forcefully and be convinced to go on to Wano because the others might face Kaidou. And Fujitora saying that doesn't mean much when Luffy struggled immensely against Cracker and Doflamingo and needed significant amount of help. COmbat-wise, he seems to be weaker whereas power-wise, he's likely stronger as he can gain allies who'll help him.
Obviously you don't read the posts here if you think everyone knew Jinbei was joining. And you're basically saying a lot of members here have no mind. But give me examples thus far.
Oh shit, my theories weren't 100% right! Some of the possibilities I guessed didn't come to pass! And I'm still waiting for the proof of your accusation, unless you realized that it was full of shit, and thus you're deflecting. In any case, you're lucky I forgot most things I said about his fight with Cracker, otherwise I'm pretty sure you're wrong as you seem unable to understand much. And it is a possibility they could have been allies until Luffy did what he did, and Big Mom revealed she hated Lola, among other things. It was after that almost no one theorized she'd be allied with Luffy, though some did say she'd spare them because of Brook, which seems unlikely to happen.
Find out what about Jinbei? That he was on WCI? He technically didn't, it was JInbei who found them. Doesn't make me wrong. And it was clear the Vinsmokes had no problem with Straw Hats, and given that Big Mom's side revealed to plan an assassination on the family, it was kinda obvious they'd temporarily ally to survive. FEels like you're making up stuff to make me look bad.
Lol, no, that's just a terribly uninformed view. Big Mom not taken down when:
- This is the Yonko Saga?
- When becoming Pirate King requires defeating Emperors?
- When he's vocally challenged her 3 times?
- When this is huge arc?
- When he's already inside the wedding?
Naivety on this level is absolutely asinine and wishful at best.
Again, your assessment of Cracker and the Joker fight is atrocious. You don't grasp that someone whose ability makes it easy to fight multiple people at once and gives the advantage in numbers will obviously be a difficult match. If Luffy fought Usopp with the Cracker biscuit, Luffy would have had just as much trouble. Your assessment lacks context, it's short-sighted.
You act like its a match that was void of Devil fruit influence which changes the dynamics of a fight would be the same a fight where random abilities were at play. It's as ludicrous as expecting a fight between 2 people of equal strength will not have a different dynamics if one of the fighters suddenly gained the ability to melt anything he touches and create an army will not suddenly gain an advantage over his opponent... common sense is absolutely void in your analysis.
Obviously you don't read the posts here if you think everyone knew Jinbei was joining. And you're basically saying a lot of members here have no mind. But give me examples thus far.
It's common sense, people have been saying so that he'll join for years. Doesn't require 2 brain-cells to have deduced so this arc. It's nothing spectacular. People were already saying he'll join before this arc. There was nothing to deduce. Nothing remarkable here.
Oh shit, my theories weren't 100% right! Some of the possibilities I guessed didn't come to pass! And I'm still waiting for the proof of your accusation, unless you realized that it was full of shit, and thus you're deflecting. In any case, you're lucky I forgot most things I said about his fight with Cracker, otherwise I'm pretty sure you're wrong as you seem unable to understand much. And it is a possibility they could have been allies until Luffy did what he did, and Big Mom revealed she hated Lola, among other things. It was after that almost no one theorized she'd be allied with Luffy, though some did say she'd spare them because of Brook, which seems unlikely to happen.
Anyone saying she'd spare the SHs clearly was clueless. Big Mom's character is not one of understanding. It's not possible they could have been allies. That's as absurd as saying Luffy and Joker could have been allies. These are the people he needs to fight to be Pirate King. It's so nonsensical that Big Mom would ally with the SHs when she needs the power of the Germa to be Pirate King, and she'll let go of the Germa for Luffy? Humour at its finest here. It was clear from the onset that they were enemies; in fact, I already stated they were long before Big Mom said so - 3 months before it was revealed:
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/lolas-machination-speculation.3005377/
Find out what about Jinbei? That he was on WCI? He technically didn't, it was JInbei who found them. Doesn't make me wrong. And it was clear the Vinsmokes had no problem with Straw Hats, and given that Big Mom's side revealed to plan an assassination on the family, it was kinda obvious they'd temporarily ally to survive. FEels like you're making up stuff to make me look bad.
That he was going to join the SHs, that's common sense. It just makes you ill-informed. You didn't even know the SHs would ally with the Vinsmokes, so you're being fallacious here;
your track record isn't great as a vast majority of what you've said indicates:
How many allies right now on the island can help him against Big Mom?
Clearly didn't know Luffy had allies even if it was obvious. If you read the Manga properly, you'd know Luffy makes allies out of nothing.
even. Nothing indicates Big Mom has to lose in the same arc she's a main villain in.
Which main antagonist hasn't been defeated in their own arc? As I said, ignorance of high degree.
There's nothing that states Luffy can't lose to Big Mom or Cracker or run away after he gets Sanji or takes on Big Mom with tons of help. THere's no rule or law that states the plot of each arc has to be consistent as well, otherwise Luffy would be beating every villain easily as he did in the first or second arc.
It is not a self-conflicting statement. Cracker doesn't have to be defeated for Luffy to save Sanji,
Cracker doesn't have to be defeated to save Sanji? Absurd. Clearly a comment lacking any form of insight.
I think Cracker might defeat Luffy
This isn't very reflective of understanding plot.
if anything, Big Mom will likely give the crew a pass for Sanji, if not for Lola.
Big mom would just let Sanji go? Despite her characterisation? Like I said, you're naive.
No, progress doesn't demand Luffy beat Big Mom now.
Yeah, because Big Mom would just let the SHs go, right?
How will Luffy be healed, especially when even Chopper can't restore Luffy to 100% overnight?
How will Luffy be healed when it was obvious he would be fed by Sanji. Again, lack of plot understanding on your part. This should have been obvious especially when he said he wouldn't eat except he was given food from Sanji.
How is she a tyrant? Whom has she oppressed the way Doflamingo, Crocodile, and Captain Morgan have?
How is Big Mom a tyrant? Someone who kills her kids and coerces her citizens into staying in Totland. A question that requires not understanding the meaning of tyrant.
How is she putting the lives of her citizens in danger?
Again, you're clearly oblivious. She can't take lives without instilling fear into her target. The people are scared of her, thus, her ability to take their life-span as she pleases.
He never said "I have to fight you" or "I want to fight you!"
He did. You just convinced yourself he didn't.
Pudding's life will not be in danger until she runs away from the wedding or plays a part in stopping the wedding. Pudding is safe.
Again, it was obvious, but you clearly had no understanding of Big mom's character. If you did, you' have known her life was in danger.
When did she threaten Fishman Island?
Asking this in chapter 800 when this happened in chapter 650? You're clearly not as informed as you think you are.
As far as we know, she wants peace and to have every race and species and whatnot on her island, and she's done nothing to oppress or hurt anyone yet.
Yes, because Big Mom is a pacifist who is clearly not insane.
If Big Mom really does go after loved ones, then Whitebeard, Shanks, and Kaidou must not have had any loved ones because she never threatened them to get what she wants.
Here implying Big Mom doesn't attack her kids when we were literally introduced to her killing her own son.
You also don't seem to realize the differences between each arc or issues. Luffy could make allies more easily on Dressrosa and other places because they had a common enemy who put their lives in danger. The citizens and gladiators would be killed if Luffy didn't beat Doflamingo, so they became his allies and helped him. Big Mom so far has not threatened anyone on the island yet or put their lives in danger, with the exceptions of few people.
Here clearly ignorant of the fact Luffy makes allies out of nothing.
Luffy and the crew can get away without ever having to confront Big Mom this arc. The situation is not there for Luffy to force himself to beat Big Mom.
This is easily your most ridiculous comment.
Like I said, you've hardly said anything that was consistent or accurate plot-wise. If you don't understand the small details, then even the obvious things would bypass you as they clearly have as you have demonstrated.
