One Piece Mega Convo Thread

[Hannibal Psyche]

Yes the sentence "villain defeated in their own territory" has not happened yet for Big Mom and therefore it can still happen. Ofc this is true. Everyone know this is true. Even a 4 year old knows this is true. Is this you argument?

You literally don't get it.

Pattern: Villains are defeated in their own territory.

Prerequisites for pattern?

1. Defeated Villain? Yes or No.
2. Defeated in or out of territory? In or Out.

And you said it's been broken when:

1. Defeated Big Mom? No.
2. Is there any point asking where? When she's not defeated? No.

As any 4 year should know, Big Mom would have to both be defeated and defeated outside her territory for the pattern to be broken and you clearly don't grasp that if you're claiming the pattern is broken. That's a factual truth.

What about all the other new stuff that happened since WCI?

Like I said, you don't get it.

It doesn't matter what happens since WCI IF:

1. Big Mom hasn't been defeated.
2. And outside her territory.

There's nothing that has happened since WCI that indicates Big Mom will be defeated in Wano, die, and thus never return to WCI for Luffy to return to in order to defeat her.

Then to claim the pattern is broken is illogical, or you actually don't understand it. Simply pointing out facts. Everything you've said is pretty much redundant.

Im using all the signals Oda has send us

Signals must be another word for "preference". Preference and evidence are not the same thing.

There's no panel or statement or evidence that indicates Big Mom will not be defeated by Luffy in WCI.

Not sure what these signals of yours are, but they're certainly not from the Manga.

Again lets just wait and see who is right.

I'm not even sure you read at all.

You don't seem to know the difference between saying what WILL happen and what COULD happen. Or, what there's evidence for and not for. You can wait for whatever it is you're waiting for, I don't think you understood any part of this subject at all.

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In the world of science ignoring new data like this is not a good idea.

Keyword: Relevant Data.

Not all data is relevant. How many times I can backflip has no relation to how good I am at history. My backflipping data is not relevant.

What's happened so far that indicates:

• Big Mom will not be defeated in WCI?

Was WCI destroyed in order to claim she won't be defeated in WCI? Did Kid just kill Big Mom? What's this signal you're so aware of that no one else is?

What's this data I am ignoring?

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

The problem with luffy going back to like do a face off with big mum is that
Every main opponent luffy faces shows a larger step taken
Defeating big mum and co imo wouldn’t fulfill that
If he defeats kaido then we already know he’s somewhat capable of defeating a yonkou

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

What you deem as a good reason is not relevant.

Luffy already told us his reason and you've chosen to be ignorant of it because you dislike the reason. Luffy said the Pirate King must defeat the Emperors, that's his reason and his belief. You may not like it, but Oda couldn't give a shit what me or I think, he writes the story.

And the one thing you don't seem to understand is the story is still in progress.

All Oda does to solidify a need to return to WCI besides the promise he made is Fishman island is attacked... for all we know, Katakuri and Cracker have destroyed the Island or defeated the Sun Pirates in the absence of Jimbei and Big Mom. Germa may have been imprisoned, Sanji would want to return. I have no idea how things will develop, I can only tell you Luffy's intention and the fact is what he aims to do/say is what directs the story.



As if what you consider bad writing and boring is what dictates the story. Wano has had some of the worst writing I've seen in the series, you think what I think or what you think stops Oda from writing shit? Let's not act like the world or story revolves around us. Oda does what he wants.



You're entitled to think that. Again, we don't dictate how the story develops. The characters do.

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Sorry but no just cause Luffy said it doesn’t mean it will happen. Someone can replace Big Mom and he can defeat that person so what you say can be deemed as irrelevant. For instance if Kidd is the one to beat big mom and be considered an emperor luffy has to beat him. The same way Blackbeard replaced whitebeard. There you go

 

[kkck]

I wonder, what are the odds of vivi actually having a voyage of sorts with the strawhats towards the end of the series. With a defeated world government she wouldn't necessarily have that many issues with this. And with the world heading to a sort of world war while the WG having plenty of reason to be out to get her (her relationship with luffy, her ancestry) it seems pretty likely she could actually have a role to play in the final war. Alabasta doesn't have a strong army but it is numerous even by OP standards (though still pretty weak). In a world war scenario it wouldn't be strange to see the world government recruiting forces from wherever it can get them for that matter. Add to that, if the WG targets the nefertari family it'd make perfect sense for the strawhats to make every move they can to protect vivi (though for plot's sake it'd make more sense for the plot to move vivi at least to majiroa, if not somewhere in the new world).

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Sorry but no just cause Luffy said it doesn’t mean it will happen. Someone can replace Big Mom and he can defeat that person so what you say can be deemed as irrelevant. For instance if Kidd is the one to beat big mom and be considered an emperor luffy has to beat him. The same way Blackbeard replaced whitebeard. There you go

It's exactly because Luffy said it, that it's likely going to happen such as his becoming Pirate King because he said it, and he's the main character.. you know, that character the whole story is based on?

IF means you're setting up a scenario.

The likelihood of Kid becoming an Emperor is as likely as Usopp becoming an Emperor, it's really quite the hilarious idea.

That's an IF statement we can dismiss as never happening, he's not built like Blackbeard. He gained a bounty increase of 160m with 2 years whereas Luffy gained a bounty increase of 1.1 billion within a couple months, and Kid is going to become the 4th Emperor? Laughable.

Kid has no territory, he has no fleet, and we're getting close to the end of the series. He has no political power or pull, and he's supposed to be a main villain? Arguably the worst idea I've ever read that will probably never happen in anything but a terribly written fan-fiction.

 

[Rein Avara]

Credits to: @Orojapan1 on twitter
All of the below are in One Piece magazine Vol.12

 

[AmitDS]

Worstgen and Reddit forums are likely to have the fanboy beliefs that make ridiculous inferences

I think the titles are valid. Issue here is people are distorting the meaning of WSS and giving it additional meanings that it has no relations to. He is indeed the best Swordsman, the strongest, but he's certainly not the strongest pirate as the Swordsmans title has nothing to do with being a pirate or not.

I think the titles are valid to an extent in that, they are true and real BUT do not exclude these people from being equaled and rivaled by others. So WB can be the WSP/WSM and still be equaled by Roger/Garp and even Shiki, Sengoku and Tsuru (based on VCs), Kaido can be the WSC/WSP and still be equaled by Big Mom & Shanks AND Mihawk can still be WSS and still be equaled by Shanks regardless of Shanks being a swordsman or not.

People took WSS to mean that Mihawk > any person who has ever used a sword and their rivals, when it was clear, and Oda validated this, this chapter, that it meant people who specialize in swordsmanship eg) Big Mom isn't included in this but Fujitora would be.

It seemingly, from what I've seen, stems from the fact that people want Mihawk and thus Zoro to be stronger than everyone else & comparable to EOS Luffy. Lol not going into detail about that however.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Isn't One Piece more of an adventure manga? Oda loves his world building, and each island has something new.
What suspense will we achieve if Luffy goes back to WCI, only to witness just a battle? Each arc always starts with world building imo.

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

It's exactly because Luffy said it, that it's likely going to happen such as his becoming Pirate King because he said it, and he's the main character.. you know, that character the whole story is based on?

IF means you're setting up a scenario.

The likelihood of Kid becoming an Emperor is as likely as Usopp becoming an Emperor, it's really quite the hilarious idea.

That's an IF statement we can dismiss as never happening, he's not built like Blackbeard. He gained a bounty increase of 160m with 2 years whereas Luffy gained a bounty increase of 1.1 billion within a couple months, and Kid is going to become the 4th Emperor? Laughable.

Kid has no territory, he has no fleet, and we're getting close to the end of the series. He has no political power or pull, and he's supposed to be a main villain? Arguably the worst idea I've ever read that will probably never happen in anything but a terribly written fan-fiction.

Your post is laughable. Big mom ain’t making it back to whole cake island and I feel Kidd is next in line to replace her once the news reports surface . A year after that he will fully claim his title before Luffy voids it by becoming pirate king. Blackbeard didn’t replace whitebeard right away or had the Allies he had to take the territories by force which is what kidd will most likely do (that alone makes your post invalid) Sad that you forgot that but it’s okay. I’m betting his punk Gibson with kings haki reverts her back to OLin

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Big mom ain’t making it back to whole cake island

Can't prove that, headcanon bud.

I feel Kidd is next in line to replace her once the news reports surface .

Your feelings don't determine the direction the Manga goes in.

A year after that he will fully claim his title before Luffy voids it by becoming pirate king.

Sure thing Oda, lol.

Blackbeard didn’t replace whitebeard right away or had the Allies he had to take the territories by force which is what kidd will most likely do (that alone makes your post invalid) Sad that you forgot that but it’s okay.

It took Blackbeard 20 years plus.

1. Knowledge of Whitebeard's territory.
2. 2 Devil Fruits.
3. A year of acquiring multiple fleets.
4. Breaking into Impel Down to acquire the most powerful and most heinous criminals.

And Kid is going to do what Blackbeard did when his crew is pretty weak, he has no knowledge of Big Mom's territory, no fleet, and no strength, lol.

Kid's not even a main villain to begin with.

Your ideas belong in the Worstgen or Reddit forum, not sure you'd understand why that's the case though.

Anyway, I'm done experiencing brain shrinkage and acute brain frog syndrome reading these posts and ideas of yours, won't bother remotely replying to anymore big brain ideas of yours, lol.

 

[Idkwhatanameis]

Can't prove that, headcanon bud.



Your feelings don't determine the direction the Manga goes in.



Sure thing Oda, lol.



It took Blackbeard 20 years plus.

1. Knowledge of Whitebeard's territory.
2. 2 Devil Fruits.
3. A year of acquiring multiple fleets.
4. Breaking into Impel Down to acquire the most powerful and most heinous criminals.

And Kid is going to do what Blackbeard did when his crew is pretty weak, he has no knowledge of Big Mom's territory, no fleet, and no strength, lol.

Kid's not even a main villain to begin with.

Your ideas belong in the Worstgen or Reddit forum, not sure you'd understand why that's the case though.

Anyway, I'm done experiencing brain shrinkage and acute brain frog syndrome reading these posts and ideas of yours, won't bother remotely replying to anymore big brain ideas of yours, lol.

No one on here is Oda get real kid. Most powerful and most heinous ?? lmao ok who on his crew showed that they were extremely powerful ? Now that's headcanon. Besides him and Shiryu no one on that crew looks spectacular not even burgees at this point. Kidd is literally portrayed to be Luffys rival the only thing holding him back is disloyal pirates and his hot headed temper. He's not leaving this arc without his power up and its gonna be used on someone. Say what you want yeah its my headcanon but your only a few chapters away from being proven wrong. Don't respond to my post you can just sit there and be a good boy.

 

[Fox666]

I noticed the author has some "favorite" bounties:

320,000,000 - Moriah / Zoro / Hawkins
330,000,000 - Pekoms / Sanji / Cavendish
300,000,000 - Luffy / Ceasar / Capone / Oven / Daifuku
210,000,000 - Caribou / Squard / Sai
200,000,000 - Dorry and Brogy / Law / Killer / Usopp / Bartolomeo

There's probably a few I missed

But the author seems to have a thing for the numbers 2 and 3

 

[JStackz26]

Also did anyone notice.
Captains:
Kaido - A Dragon
Luffy - Son of Dragon

First Mate:
King - Apparently of a God Race
Zoro - Descendant of the "Sword God"

No. 3
Queen - Mad Scientist
Sanji - Father of a mad scientist

Edit: Father is a mad scientist. Technically he kind of showed Judge that Sanji is really Judge's daddy. Especially inside Bege's body



Just a random

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What vivre card stuff does it explain?

You mean the one that lola gave to her?

How she was able to control the Homies and charm Zeus.

 

[Bandit99]

Also did anyone notice.
Captains:
Kaido - A Dragon
Luffy - Son of Dragon

First Mate:
King - Apparently of a God Race
Zoro - Descendant of the "Sword God"

No. 3
Queen - Mad Scientist
Sanji - Father of a mad scientist

Just a random

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How she was able to control the Homies and charm Zeus.

She didn't control the homies. They vivre card that Lola gave Nami was big moms. So the homies were scared to attack something that has a part of their creator’s soul in it.

She charmed Zeus by feeding it thunder balls lol were you not paying attention?

 

[M3J]

Well Roger crew was OP AF. So it's natural that SH crew will become OP too. I always said, the PK's crew is a level above a Yonkou's crew.

Depends on whether you count luck or not, as they themselves thought they'd lose to Shiki's fleet and were lucky that a storm happened and wiped out most of his fleet. I don't think the Pirate King's crew is a level above an Emperor's, just even enough that they wouldn't challenge each other easily. If that was true, then why did Big Mom say Roger didn't fight her when he was trying to get to her Poneglyph?

View media item 25896Oda speaking on this in SBS volume 92. I swear Oda is the

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Quick add on: but probably Zoro’s mom with the Roronoa surname to cover up shimotsuki lineage

Has to be Chopper that's the descendant.

 

[Black neko]

By the way then it's mean tokis power doesn't come from devil fruit that created by vegapunk.. ?

Of course no. She from 800years ago, and she had it, that why she can arrived to oden's era.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Depends on whether you count luck or not, as they themselves thought they'd lose to Shiki's fleet and were lucky that a storm happened and wiped out most of his fleet. I don't think the Pirate King's crew is a level above an Emperor's, just even enough that they wouldn't challenge each other easily. If that was true, then why did Big Mom say Roger didn't fight her when he was trying to get to her Poneglyph?

Big Mom never said Roger didn't fight her, completely inaccurate. All Big Mom said is he read her Poneglyph with VOAT and left. She never specified or gave details
.
It is no different to Brulee saying Kid came to WCI and then got chased away. It's true, but it doesn't specify the details. Brulee left out the fact he scarred a commander before he fled which was never revealed until Wano's arc in the prison.

So, we're not told what Roger did, we only get told the conclusion. A conclusion doesn't tell everything that transpired during an event, just tells us what the conclusion was.

Roger also was the strongest pirate. Only Whitebeard was his rival. Against Shiki, he wasn't bound to lose, but he was outnumbered and disadvantaged.

Roger was also said to defeat an entire country's army simply because they made fun of his friends. There's no saying what the outcome would be where Roger is concerned.

Spoiler

Against Shiki, all we're told is a storm came and blew them away. Doesn't mean he'd necessarily have lost.

 

[O_n_Sly]

Also did anyone notice.
Captains:
Kaido - A Dragon
Luffy - Son of Dragon

First Mate:
King - Apparently of a God Race
Zoro - Descendant of the "Sword God"

No. 3
Queen - Mad Scientist
Sanji - Father of a mad scientist

Just a random

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How she was able to control the Homies and charm Zeus.

When it comes to being a Mad Scientist: Caesar > Queeny
And Judge was more war general than scientist!

 

[M3J]

Big Mom never said Roger didn't fight her, completely inaccurate. All Big Mom said is he read her Poneglyph with VOAT and left. She never specified or gave details
.
It is no different to Brulee saying Kid came to WCI and then got chased away. It's true, but it doesn't specify the details. Brulee left out the fact he scarred a commander before he fled which was never revealed until Wano's arc in the prison.

So, we're not told what Roger did, we only get told the conclusion. A conclusion doesn't tell everything that transpired during an event, just tells us what the conclusion was.

Roger also was the strongest pirate. Only Whitebeard was his rival. Against Shiki, he wasn't bound to lose, but he was outnumbered and disadvantaged.

Roger was also said to defeat an entire country's army simply because they made fun of his friends. There's no saying what the outcome would be where Roger is concerned.

Spoiler

Against Shiki, all we're told is a storm came and blew them away. Doesn't mean he'd necessarily have lost.

I stand corrected, but nothing implies Roger fought her or was willing to fight her, nor does anything show he was a level above the Emperors. Big Mom's face does not look like she fought Roger and lost, just that she was unable to stop him from getting to her Poneglyph.

OUtnumbered and disadvantaged enough that his own crew thought they'd lose to Shiki's fleet. Hard to believe that he was the strongest, especially when it seems he and Whitebeard had a friendly rivalry, and Whitebeard had no desire to become the Pirate King or get to Raftel. Though, at least Roger was stronger than Shiki? Didn't Shiki give up when most of his fleet was wiped out?

Being able to defeat a country's army isn't that impressive, given that Roger and his crew weren't weak.

 

[kkck]

I think people also forget , WB had gotten a lot of info from roger , if he wanted the one piece he could have gotten it (or implied to), he just wasn’t interested , he wanted to grow and let Ace become the PK instead
He had all he wanted with the family he had

That's certainly true, WB didn't specifically make a point out of this. Though it's not exactly related to my point that modern yonko crews are in fact stronger than roger's crew back in the day. Because they are structured differently and have a lot more members that cover a lot of strength tiers.

That said, I am curious as to what would have happened if WB had survived to this day. He was aware of everything as far as we know. It's entirely possible he was aware, like Oden and Roger, that shit was going to go down 20 years from the time roger got to OP. So WB didn't show interest in the metaplot but if he was alive to this day when shit was about to go down then perhaps he would have acted on it. Alternatively we can make a pretty good case that he was grooming ace specifically for whatever countdown is about to finish.