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I take the first few episodes of Wano and raise you:
This generally goes untouched tbh, not just because of the animation the emotions and leading up to/during that scene just make it that much better.
 

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Wait wait wait. How will I know it's good animation if the camera isn't strapped to the back of a coked out housefly and the choreography is actually legible?
The same way everyone else knows how - because someone else told you it was.
 

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The same way everyone else knows how - because someone else told you it was.
That's not what's happening though with the choreography problem. Maybe the case with aura stylization/lens flare/etc., but a shit ton of people genuinely look at scenes like the boro breath reflection and exclaim that it's great animation. The camera changes orientation 45 degrees PER FRAME in some of the shots, which is like... seizure inducing, but casual animation enjoyers seemingly agree that is not only acceptable but the best thing they've ever seen.
 

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That's not what's happening though with the choreography problem. Maybe the case with aura stylization/lens flare/etc., but a shit ton of people genuinely look at scenes like the boro breath reflection and exclaim that it's great animation. The camera changes orientation 45 degrees PER FRAME in some of the shots, which is like... seizure inducing, but casual animation enjoyers seemingly agree that is not only acceptable but the best thing they've ever seen.
I thought it was great. My jaw was on the floor and I thought it was beautifully done. It's simply a different style of animation.

The plan regular animation gets boring after a while. Art is meant to illicit emotion whether negatively or positively and I'm glad the direction went in the way that they were brave enough to to deliver what they did. The art reflected the power of G5. And in some ways G5 doesn't make sense in a world like OP and the art the animation that was given to us reflected that.
 

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That's not what's happening though with the choreography problem. Maybe the case with aura stylization/lens flare/etc., but a shit ton of people genuinely look at scenes like the boro breath reflection and exclaim that it's great animation. The camera changes orientation 45 degrees PER FRAME in some of the shots, which is like... seizure inducing, but casual animation enjoyers seemingly agree that is not only acceptable but the best thing they've ever seen.
I was mostly joking with you. To the bolded point, though, just know there are people in this world who think maggot-infested cheese is a delicacy.
Also worth noting that we'll experience similar at the end of this month, as no matter how shit the live action is (I'll give a more honest opinion when I see it) there's going to be a subset of OP fans who will admit to nothing less than it being the best series ever made in the history of history.
 

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My favourite bit was when Luffy bounced off the walls to build up momentum that sent Kaido flying. I don't remember it in the manga. Either way, it was epic!

I have to give props to Oda. Initially I did not like G5, but now I do like it. I understand the concept more. Is that genius writing or I am just dumb?
 

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My favourite bit was when Luffy bounced off the walls to build up momentum that sent Kaido flying. I don't remember it in the manga. Either way, it was epic!

I have to give props to Oda. Initially I did not like G5, but now I do like it. I understand the concept more. Is that genius writing or I am just dumb?
Depends on who you ask apparently. Some people compare the people like us who like the animation of G5 to the same people that think maggoty cheese is a delicacy 😂
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People that liked the animation to the people that didn't: "You don't know real art!"

People that didn't like the animation to the people that did: You don't know real art!"
 

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I think the camera moving around aspect is also a novel thing for me in anime. Even modern action films like the Extraction series have shifted camera technique to create more of a chaotic immersion as if you are there in the action vs getting a perfect outer view during combat sequences. I personally find it refreshing from the constant still camera action sequences where all that changes is the camera angle but not its motion.
 

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Anime fans be like "1071 was so easy to follow!!!11! Best animation ever!!"

The animation:
This type of choreo and camera work is literally why I like modern action films so much 😂

That's why I found it novel that they adopted these for their animated action sequences.
 

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My favourite bit was when Luffy bounced off the walls to build up momentum that sent Kaido flying. I don't remember it in the manga. Either way, it was epic!
Absolutely dope addition to the source material. I hope the animators have a lot more rubber world shenanigans as filler in other fights.

Lol I remember some *really* vocal people that were incredibly displeased with the idea of rubber world shenanigans back when everyone was arguing over what Luffy's awakening would be. Despite Katakuri and Doffy's awakenings being the obvious narrative roadmap for Luffy's, people made every excuse under the sun for why it wouldn't be environment affecting. Good shit.
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Depends on who you ask apparently. Some people compare the people like us who like the animation of G5 to the same people that think maggoty cheese is a delicacy 😂
People are divided over and disagreeing with you over 1071. Other reply is referencing 1072 (the bouncy wall scene), which is pretty universally loved.
 
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Lol I remember some *really* vocal people that were incredibly displeased with the idea of rubber world shenanigans back when everyone was arguing over what Luffy's awakening would be. Despite Katakuri and Doffy's awakenings being the obvious narrative roadmap for Luffy's, people made every excuse under the sun for why it wouldn't be environment affecting. Good shit.
That was the dark age of discussion. Rubber world definitely made the most sense especially when Luffy was still classified as a Paramecia. Somehow they found a way for him to still have environment-affecting abilities as a zoan. There were some pretty weird theories spinning up around that time, though.
 

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That was the dark age of discussion. Rubber world definitely made the most sense especially when Luffy was still classified as a Paramecia. Somehow they found a way for him to still have environment-affecting abilities as a zoan. There were some pretty weird theories spinning up around that time, though.
I'm still convinced of my ancient theory that *all* awakenings manipulate the environment or external world in some way. Even zoans can seemingly make something out of nothing with the mass increases. And now I'm pretty sure the Model Nika is a "special zoan" the same way Mochi Mochi is a "special paramecia"- one type of fruit with traits of another that blurs the line. In Katakuri's case, it's a paramecia with traits of a logia, and in Luffy's case it's a zoan with traits of a paramecia.
 

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I'm still convinced of my ancient theory that *all* awakenings manipulate the environment or external world in some way. Even zoans can seemingly make something out of nothing with the mass increases. And now I'm pretty sure the Model Nika is a "special zoan" the same way Mochi Mochi is a "special paramecia"- one type of fruit with traits of another that blurs the line. In Katakuri's case, it's a paramecia with traits of a logia, and in Luffy's case it's a zoan with traits of a paramecia.
I would argue at least most mythical zoans are essentially zoans with paramecia powers. I can't really think of any known mythical devil fruit to whom that description does not apply so far. Add to that, you'd expect any mythical zoan awakening to boost both the animal traits and it's abilities. I think the current situation is that in most cases awakenings for paramecia work as you mention, it grants the capacity to affect the environment in some way. But realistically speaking this can't work for every instance in the same way. It is obviously very speculative but consider two mythical fruits we have seen, sengoku's and marco's.

Based on what we know... would you expect sengoku's fruit to affect it's environment? I suppose if sengoku actually turns into gold its not unreasonable to think he could turn the environment into gold but if his skin is merely golden colored there wouldn't be anything to turn the environment into. Marco's fruit grants him a blue fire, it's not that big a stretch this awakening could turn the environment into said blue fire. Not particularly different from how doflamingo affected the environment with his ability.

Going further down into the speculation hole... in the end the issue is that mythical zoan fruits take after mythical creatures. I can't really name any off the top of my head but I don't think we can rule out the hypothetical scenario of a mythical creature that can turn into and generate an element of nature. Basically both zoan and logia traits.
 

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where's caribou?
 

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Outside of Luffy grabbing lightening which was spectacular. Poor episode overall.
 

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Outside of Luffy grabbing lightening which was spectacular. Poor episode overall.
It reflects the source chapter. Since they pretty much do an episode a chapter I'd say next episode will be similar except for Luffy throwing lighting and maybe we get to see the giant fist at the end. The most action that's left to see in Wano now is actually Greenbull 😂
 

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Bruh, the way you guys talking about the animation in these particular episodes of One Piece, lol.

These animation directors have done this stuff before and will do so for the next big series that comes one day.

But, you gotta watch the old school stuff, which still is amazing animation to watch today. 👍🏾
 

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Man the new episode of OP has me loving filler content. The fight between Luffy and Kaido was amazing and continues adding to the ridiculousness of G5. Kaido's its all about haki moment is just so epic too.
 
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