One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
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[XXGenesis]

The old man had the same Devil Fruit as Bartolomeo.

If a 100 million pirate can block a Yonko-level attack, or a "regular person" can take get Oden locked up, I don't see why assume that increasing the strength a bit more is going to be effective.

DF at times take training & strengthen for it to be really effective, or grow in power/AoE. Barrier maybe a slight exception, where the power stays the same but the amount of barrier may be increased, as to when he made the steps & couldn’t make anymore

 

[M3J]

Why are we bringing Oden into this?

 

[Fox666]

Why are we bringing Oden into this?

Because Oden was locked in the barrier...

 

[Shasha23]

Because Oden was locked in the barrier...

when was that?
I only remember Orochi being in the barrier and Oden failing to cut it

 

[XXGenesis]

when was that?
I only remember Orochi being in the barrier and Oden failing to cut it

Right. Wasn’t Oden simply beat down, disarmed, shackled & jailed. He wasn’t inside any barrier. Only tried to cut it, & it can’t be penetrated with force

 

[Shasha23]

Right. Wasn’t Oden simply beat down, disarmed, shackled & jailed. He wasn’t inside any barrier. Only tried to cut it, & it can’t be penetrated with force

Yeap thats what happened, i dont get why these guys are saying Oden was trapped in a barrier

 

[kkck]

There definitely are abilities that work beyond the user's strength and overall capability. This abilities seem to be more like forces of nature in how they work.

1.- The toy toy fruit. The user is able to turn people into toys regardless of the amount of people or their strength. Add to that, the entirety of the planet's population forgetting those people ever existed.

2.- Barto's fruit. Some jackass blocked oden's sword... Pretty much an attack from a yonko level enemy.

3.- Birdcage (specifically, not necessarily all of the string fruit's abilities). You had a horde of powerful pirates being unable to cut it. Even fujitora failed to do this and he was probably well stronger than doflamingo to begin with.

4.- Vander decken's fruit. Vander decken is a weak jackass with no features worth mentioning and even then he was able to just throw stuff arbitrarily. Most importantly noah in spite of being just about island sized a loser like vander decken just threw it. The closest thing we have seen to this is kaido using his clouds to lift onigashima... though the exact mechanics of how this works are a mystery. Not sure if this requires a constant input of effort on kaido's part...

5.- Noro noro fruit: The fruit just does what it does... no real trick to it... And there is no real way to defend from it.

6.- Bari bari fruit: A weird one but hear me out: Buggy's ability can't be bypassed. Haki just doesn't do that. You could have every yonko level fighter in this series using it's strongest slash against buggy and he'd literally laugh it off without taking any damage whatsoever. Cutting him regardless of context is largely a physical impossibility. Probably a kairoseki blade would do the trick though.

 

[Shasha23]

@kkck

You forgot the mero mero no mi, even if you are not attracted to Hancock or somehow manage to block your lust she can still turn you to stone with a simple touch, the worst part is if she kicks you, your stone body will start to crumble, a truly nasty ability the mero mero no mi.

 

[Fox666]

when was that?
I only remember Orochi being in the barrier and Oden failing to cut it

You are right, it was Orochi who was inside that bubble

 

[XXGenesis]

Facepalm the Buggy debate again?!
I wish Oda would just address this for the stubborn folks.

logia or parmecia CoA will hit the substantial body bypassing the fruits protection...

 

[M3J]

Because Oden was locked in the barrier...

But did he have the strength of an Emperor?

Facepalm the Buggy debate again?!
I wish Oda would just address this for the stubborn folks.

logia or parmecia CoA will hit the substantial body bypassing the fruits protection...

I don't see any debate, it was only kick who mentioned Buggy's power because he likes being wrong.

It is an OP power though, if the user can split their body apart before hit by a haki attack.

 

[Monox D. I-Fly]

5.- Noro noro fruit: The fruit just does what it does... no real trick to it... And there is no real way to defend from it.

Brulee would just beat Foxy senseless.

 

[XXGenesis]

But did he have the strength of an Emperor?


I don't see any debate, it was only kick who mentioned Buggy's power because he likes being wrong.

It is an OP power though, if the user can split their body apart before hit by a haki attack.

there are others; with other topics, but they shall remain nameless.

The real debate should be how does Haki defense work in conjunction with DF powers..I.E Akainu, Buggy, Jozu

If they defend with Haki against someone with a weaker Haki lv..Is all damage nullified? Or only some? Was Akainu’s logia state when hit by Marco & Vista a mishap in illustration..because akainu barely flinched but went into a logia state while still mentioning Haki being used.

Also someone like Jozu who is diamond; What if he goes full body hardening...Would you need superior Haki to do any form of damage at all??

 

[M3J]

there are others; with other topics, but they shall remain nameless.

The real debate should be how does Haki defense work in conjunction with DF powers..I.E Akainu, Buggy, Jozu

If they defend with Haki against someone with a weaker Haki lv..Is all damage nullified? Or only some? Was Akainu’s logia state when hit by Marco & Vista a mishap in illustration..because akainu barely flinched but went into a logia state while still mentioning Haki being used.

Also someone like Jozu who is diamond; What if he goes full body hardening...Would you need superior Haki to do any form of damage at all??

but not in this topic recently, right? If you're talking about the past, then you're not wrong, don't get me wrong.

I think the damage is canceled out, it's like a weak sword against a strong shield. Maybe it's easier for logias to recover from attacks because they can use their powers to heal to a degree? Who knows though, maybe Oda changed some things.

Probably need a much superior haki and/or the strength to break diamonds in the first place.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

@Ramen let us talk about Smoker here.

The Guy isn't even a HQ VA but a GL VA, pretty sure the level isn't the same.
If he had stay at HQ probably wouldn't be VA but a RA like Hina.
Everytime he fought someone strong it's the plot armor that saved him.
He's not even a match for Robin but since she's not a haki user fighting his smoke body would be impossible.
Honestly Smoker is weak but has a strong sense of justice
He could have the potential to reach Admiral level with his DF but right now he's really weak.
Don't think he's in the Top50 right now

 

[LadyVados]

@Ramen let us talk about Smoker here.

The Guy isn't even a HQ VA but a GL VA, pretty sure the level isn't the same.
If he had stay at HQ probably wouldn't be VA but a RA like Hina.
Everytime he fought someone strong it's the plot armor that saved him.
He's not even a match for Robin but since she's not a haki user fighting his smoke body would be impossible.
Honestly Smoker is weak but has a strong sense of justice
He could have the potential to reach Admiral level with his DF but right now he's really weak.
Don't think he's in the Top50 right now

Agreed Robin > Smoker but she'd lose because she doesn't have haki, unless she figures out a way to stab him with his own jitte...

 

[XXGenesis]

but not in this topic recently, right? If you're talking about the past, then you're not wrong, don't get me wrong.

Don’t understand why you are making it personal when no1 mentioned your name? Did it apply to you? Or Does the shoe fit?

I think the damage is canceled out, it's like a weak sword against a strong shield. Maybe it's easier for logias to recover from attacks because they can use their powers to heal to a degree? Who knows though, maybe Oda changed some things.


Probably need a much superior haki and/or the strength to break diamonds in the first place.

I assumed so myself in the past.
But CoA allows you to damage them as if they were regular...

So it’s the equation of Haki + DF vs Haki= What?

Akainu vs Marco & Vista was just a mishap in illustration imo...They should have been strong enough to do some type of damage especially attacking together.

or a better figurative example we’ll most likely never get but I want ODa to answer in a SBS or something..

 

[kkck]

Brulee would just beat Foxy senseless.

Probably? Foxy wasn't particularly strong and brule is basically an officer in big mom's crew.

 

[albertwv]

@Ramen let us talk about Smoker here.

The Guy isn't even a HQ VA but a GL VA, pretty sure the level isn't the same.
If he had stay at HQ probably wouldn't be VA but a RA like Hina.
Everytime he fought someone strong it's the plot armor that saved him.
He's not even a match for Robin but since she's not a haki user fighting his smoke body would be impossible.
Honestly Smoker is weak but has a strong sense of justice
He could have the potential to reach Admiral level with his DF but right now he's really weak.
Don't think he's in the Top50 right now

I agree with you he is not Top 50 right now and maybe he will be later on in the series, as many people hope he will be Luffy's Roger Garp/Sengoku but until Smoker shows us he has progressed, he is below Vergo.
i dont think theres a HQ and GL Vice Admirals but there is a difference in between the veterans and junior VAs. Smoker seems to be in the Junior VAs alongside Maynard.
I personally think Oda made the VAs look weak Post TS, it wouldve been nice to see Luffy or Zolo knock a VA down besides Smoker.

 

[Ramen]

I personally think Oda made the VAs look weak Post TS

sad because they were badass pre ts