One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Nie Li]

Spoiler: 1001

Does Zoro now officially have better on-panel feats than Shanks ? Tagging one Yonko and overpowering a named attack from another ?

Also people using the silhouettes as any sort of powerscaling is insane, unless you think Oden > Prime Garp

The answer to the first question is yes, but that obviously doesn't mean anything. Not for people who see beyond actual on-panel feats, at least.

 

[HereNThere]

Spoiler: 1001

Does Zoro now officially have better on-panel feats than Shanks ? Tagging one Yonko and overpowering a named attack from another ?

Also people using the silhouettes as any sort of powerscaling is insane, unless you think Oden > Prime Garp

Stop. Aside from the fact that we just got on panel confirmation from Kaido himself that Shanks is among the individuals who can hurt him, Shanks is a Yonkou and Zoro isn't. You need to chill. Especially since you've been doing the same shit that the thedude just did with Shanks, with Mihawk. In this case, at least Shanks was actually referenced in the chapter.

It's obviously not a power scale since Luffy is being counted among them. And last we saw, Oden wasn't anywhere near Roger or WB. Its hype for Luffy, Shanks, and Kaido.

 

[LadyVados]

Stop. Aside from the fact that we just got on panel confirmation from Kaido himself that Shanks is among the individuals who can hurt him, Shanks is a Yonkou and Zoro isn't. You need to chill. Especially since you've been doing the same shit that the thedude just did with Shanks, with Mihawk. In this case, at least Shanks was actually referenced in the chapter.

It's obviously not a power scale since Luffy is being counted among them. And last we saw, Oden wasn't anywhere near Roger or WB. Its hype for Luffy, Shanks, and Kaido.

I merely believe that the WSS is the WSS. Simple as that.

 

[Nie Li]

Those silhouettes are just "people that come to Kaido's mind that he has fought that could hurt him".

There are bound to be many differences between their individual power levels, as appearing there only means they are "beyond a certain level". It's also obvious that there are characters excluded from the panel simply because Kaido hasn't fought them or... because they're Big Mom or Rayleigh (he has fought Rayleigh or at least seen him fight in God Valley).

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I merely believe that the WSS is the WSS. Simple as that.

Let's not go there again. We all know what every one of us thinks of that.

 

[LadyVados]

Those silhouettes are just "people that come to Kaido's mind that he has fought that could hurt him".

There are bound to be many differences between their individual power levels, as appearing there only means they are "beyond a certain level". It's also obvious that there are characters excluded from the panel simply because Kaido hasn't fought them or... because they're Big Mom or Rayleigh (he has fought Rayleigh or at least seen him fight in God Valley).

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Let's not go there again. We all know what every one of us thinks of that.

Spoiler: 1001

He almost certainly saw Garp too

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Those silhouettes are just "people that come to Kaido's mind that he has fought that could hurt him".

There are bound to be many differences between their individual power levels, as appearing there only means they are "beyond a certain level". It's also obvious that there are characters excluded from the panel simply because Kaido hasn't fought them or... because they're Big Mom or Rayleigh (he has fought Rayleigh or at least seen him fight in God Valley).

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Let's not go there again. We all know what every one of us thinks of that.

It was a response to eefrit. He began the discussion.

 

[thedude]

Stop. Aside from the fact that we just got on panel confirmation from Kaido himself that Shanks is among the individuals who can hurt him, Shanks is a Yonkou and Zoro isn't. You need to chill. Especially since you've been doing the same shit that the thedude just did with Shanks, with Mihawk. In this case, at least Shanks was actually referenced in the chapter.

It's obviously not a power scale since Luffy is being counted among them. And last we saw, Oden wasn't anywhere near Roger or WB. Its hype for Luffy, Shanks, and Kaido.

I think by the time of his death Oden was probably Yonko level. Or very very close. Dude was very strong.

 

[Pirate Queen]

You guys started without me????

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

That was in no form or way a confirmation. Kaido may have never fought against Mihawk, so it adds literally nothing to that discussion.

Adds more to it then the title talk does! A yonko seeing visions of the great men who could actually fight him, Shanks there, up with WB, Rocks, Roger and now Luffy. Mihawk, obviously, not there.

This is truly laughable, people are even saying Mihawk, Big Mom, Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Blackbeard and Rayleigh to name but a few cant fight Kaido and since Luffy is the only shown along with the people Kaido said can fight him means Luffy is stronger than everyone who was not shown LOL

Kaido is referring to the great pirates he remember and probably see as combatants he squared up against , it had nothing to do with revolutionaries and marines
Maybe he never fought mihawk so there's that , but the context seems clear
It's a clear diffrentiator among pirates although to me I'd reckon shiki big mum and Mihawk should be able tango hard with kaido

 

[Shasha23]

You guys started without me????

LOL

Spoiler

Kaido is referring to the great pirates he remember and probably see as combatants he squared up against , it had nothing to do with pirates and marines

We all know that but as you know, the hardcore fans of the 3rd son and Shanks are all delusional so..............

 

[Pirate Queen]

I feel like I made some common ground with a few of you today so I loathe to ruin that...

That being said....

Mihawk is Vista level at the most

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I'M KIDDING!

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Spoiler: 1001

Shanks being able to fight Kaido, without sustaining lasting injury is a feat now. Whereas before it was speculation.

 

[LadyVados]

Could Marco grab Kata and Smoothie by the throat like he did with King and Queen ?

 

[Nie Li]

Could Marco grab Kata and Smoothie by the throat like he did with King and Queen ?

No. Kata could foresee it coming and dodge with his logia-like powers.

We don't know enough about Smoothie and her skills to talk about her.

 

[I Am Atomic]

Smoothie will suck him dry *pun intended*

 

[O_n_Sly]

However, even if we talked about Bartolomeo, he created this:

Spoiler

I recall Barto being extremely vulnerable at this point, b/c he was unable to create another barrier while Luffy was going up the stairs. So the barrier has its limits that's all I'm pointing out. Either Oden was not strong enough to breakthrough or not skilled enough to figure it out.

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Bartolomeo is limited to planar barriers, but Semimaro, the old man, could create dome-like barriers that protect from all angles above the ground.

Spoiler

Why didn't he just eliminate the DF source, then Orochi. Cmon 20 years of suffering could of been prevented right then and there!

 

[Pro Ban Corps]

Ok you may be right that I'm petty and i agree Kaidou most likely included Oden due to his respect for his samurai way. But I don't want to hear this BS about about an unbreakable barrier, Oden was not strong enough to breakthrough. King Kong Gun, Thunder Bayugga, etc would destroy that bs barrier

Pure speculation

 

[Nie Li]

I recall Barto being extremely vulnerable at this point, b/c he was unable to create another barrier while Luffy was going up the stairs. So the barrier has its limits that's all I'm pointing out. Either Oden was not strong enough to breakthrough or not skilled enough to figure it out.

Your argument changes nothing about the barrier's durability. There, Barto stretched it to its limits and couldn't create more to defend himself or anything else, so he was vulnerable. The old man did not do this.

Why didn't he just eliminate the DF source, then Orochi. Cmon 20 years of suffering could of been prevented right then and there!

Because the DF source was inside the barrier, too.

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It is possible that the strongest attacks in the world can break the barrier, but so far, the strongest attacks we have seen that barrier tank are indeed Oden's slashes. Slashes strong enough to traumatize Kaido for 20 years. Still the only scar on his body.

Until we see another strong attack break those barriers or Barto himself admits it can be broken, we can only assume it cannot.

It's not a power to manipulate, say, steel, and make shields or walls out of it. Those would naturally be breakable by any strong enough attack. This is different, this is like the Noro Noro no mi.

Noro Noro's power is slowing down anything. Bari Bari's power is stopping anything.

 

[LadyVados]

I wonder if at EOS Zoro no longer needs swords to cut things and can just cut things with his hands. Like Ichigo’s FGT or Musashi. He’ll have literally surpassed the sword.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

I wonder if at EOS Zoro no longer needs swords to cut things and can just cut things with his hands. Like Ichigo’s FGT or Musashi. He’ll have literally surpassed the sword.

Is a swordboi jealous of fist-only combatants like Luffy, Garp, etc?
Hmm... This is new

 

[Ramen]

I wonder if at EOS Zoro no longer needs swords to cut things and can just cut things with his hands. Like Ichigo’s FGT or Musashi. He’ll have literally surpassed the sword.

No......

 

[LaGOAT]

goat zoro is gonna do amazing things i cant wait