One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[The Prince of Darkness]

i dont think theres a HQ and GL Vice Admirals

It was confirmed that the HQ level is at least 3 times higher than in the other bases.
Hina who is in the same Navy generation as Smoker and had the same rank as him before TS, is now a HQ Rear Admiral. And I'm pretty sure she's as strong or stronger than him.
Smoker VA promotion was only possible because he went to GL. He's actually nothing compared to the real VA of HQ

 

[M3J]

Don’t understand why you are making it personal when no1 mentioned your name? Did it apply to you? Or Does the shoe fit?




I assumed so myself in the past.
But CoA allows you to damage them as if they were regular...

So it’s the equation of Haki + DF vs Haki= What?

Akainu vs Marco & Vista was just a mishap in illustration imo...They should have been strong enough to do some type of damage especially attacking together.

or a better figurative example we’ll most likely never get but I want ODa to answer in a SBS or something..

??? That makes no sense but k.



I thought CoA made the body normal enough to hit, but not necessarily remove the fruit power? Like, if Akainu was in magma mode and got hit, he'd still feel it since magma doesn't offer him defense, whereas Jozu would take less damage due to his diamond body, especially if the attacker wasn't strong enough?

Could also still be Oda not fleshing out the effects well.

 

[Fox666]

It was confirmed that the HQ level is at least 3 times higher than in the other bases.
Hina who is in the same Navy generation as Smoker and had the same rank as him before TS, is now a HQ Rear Admiral. And I'm pretty sure she's as strong or stronger than him.
Smoker VA promotion was only possible because he went to GL. He's actually nothing compared to the real VA of HQ

Wouldn't the Marines in the Grand Line count as HQ ranks?

Supposedly G-5 is a branch of the Marine HQ

 

[slavkovski]

I assumed so myself in the past.
But CoA allows you to damage them as if they were regular...

So it’s the equation of Haki + DF vs Haki= What?

Akainu vs Marco & Vista was just a mishap in illustration imo...They should have been strong enough to do some type of damage especially attacking together.

or a better figurative example we’ll most likely never get but I want ODa to answer in a SBS or something..

I used to think about this : normal people without haki < logia user, normal people with haki (CoA) = logia user, does that mean normal people with CoA < logia with CoA?
But i just accepted the fact that oda wont mention it throughly..

 

[Fox666]

We have to wait for the author to provide better examples of how Haki interacts with Devil Fruits.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

Wouldn't the Marines in the Grand Line count as HQ ranks?

Supposedly G-5 is a branch of the Marine HQ

No

Technically speaking all Navy in the world are branchs of the HQ but the HQ still remain the most Elite.
They are the one can be dispatched everywhere in time of trouble and they can travel anywhere than want while other branch can't change sea without permission of HQ.
Also the ranking isn't the same at all.
Outside Smoker and Tashigi, all the G5 marines wouldn't even be trainees at HQ.
And Tashigi went from last ranking Navy to Captain of G5, which is the 5th or 6th highest navy rank.

 

[albertwv]

It was confirmed that the HQ level is at least 3 times higher than in the other bases.
Hina who is in the same Navy generation as Smoker and had the same rank as him before TS, is now a HQ Rear Admiral. And I'm pretty sure she's as strong or stronger than him.
Smoker VA promotion was only possible because he went to GL. He's actually nothing compared to the real VA of HQ

No I think you have it wrong. Yes, HQ Marines are 3 ranks higher if they were to go to a sea outside the GL and NW, but among the marines inside the GL and NW they are the same rank/status. SO meanwhile Smoker and Vergo were VAs in the New World G5 branch they are the same rank/status as the VAs in HQ. SO Smoker still automatically outranks and most likely overpowers Hina. We have yet to see Hina use Haki.
Smoker may be weaker than the Pre TS VAs who were at Marineford War but he is a junior VA.
I place the VAs in 2 sections: the Senior VAs and Junior VAs.

 

[Fox666]

I would even risk to say that G-5 could be ranked above the HQ.

 

[The Prince of Darkness]

I would even risk to say that G-5 could be ranked above the HQ.

It would be a huge mistake since when there's trouble in the New World HQ is send there, no G-5 GL.
After reporting about Punk Hazard, Smoker was order to stand by and HQ VAs and HQ Admiral were dispatched.
After the events of Dressrossa no G-5 was sent but HQ VA Tsuru and HQ Sengoku

G-5 and the GL base are there to monitor what going on in the NW and report to HQ.

No I think you have it wrong. Yes, HQ Marines are 3 ranks higher if they were to go to a sea outside the GL and NW, but among the marines inside the GL and NW they are the same rank/status. SO meanwhile Smoker and Vergo were VAs in the New World G5 branch they are the same rank/status as the VAs in HQ. SO Smoker still automatically outranks and most likely overpowers Hina. We have yet to see Hina use Haki.
Smoker may be weaker than the Pre TS VAs who were at Marineford War but he is a junior VA.
I place the VAs in 2 sections: the Senior VAs and Junior VAs.

Yes they are ranked the same as the VAs at HQ but what I'm saying is the dispositions to get a promotion outside HQ is alot more easier than inside. But yes in the end of the day he now is a VA and have the same authority and power as the others but in terms of power level he's still a couple steps behind HQ VA.
And about Hina she isn't weaker than Smoker at all. It was said that although she's a Rear Admiral, she so promising and talented that HQ gave her almost the same authority and responsabilities as VAs.
As for Haki, it looks like she's one of VA Tsuru favourite marines alongside Gion (a candidate for Admiral post) so I'm pretty sure she has haki too.

 

[Shasha23]

It would be a huge mistake since when there's trouble in the New World HQ is send there, no G-5 GL.
After reporting about Punk Hazard, Smoker was order to stand by and HQ VAs and HQ Admiral were dispatched.
After the events of Dressrossa no G-5 was sent but HQ VA Tsuru and HQ Sengoku

G-5 and the GL base are there to monitor what going on in the NW and report to HQ.

You are way off the mark m friend, Smoker was not ordered to stand back and stand by, Smoker after reporting the events to Akainu and informing Fujitora he went to finish his mission of taking the kids to Vegapunk, if not for the kids Smoker would have gone to Dressarosa given his personality.

the marine "G" are bases that are in the Gl and NW, they are responsible for dealing with things but if something is a threat they report it to the Fleet Admiral, G bases are they are military/policing divisions not monitors.

Yes they are ranked the same as the VAs at HQ but what I'm saying is the dispositions to get a promotion outside HQ is alot more easier than inside. But yes in the end of the day he now is a VA and have the same authority and power as the others but in terms of power level he's still a couple steps behind HQ VA.
And about Hina she isn't weaker than Smoker at all. It was said that although she's a Rear Admiral, she so promising and talented that HQ gave her almost the same authority and responsabilities as VAs.
As for Haki, it looks like she's one of VA Tsuru favourite marines alongside Gion (a candidate for Admiral post) so I'm pretty sure she has haki too.

There are no differences between VA stationed in HQ and other outposts, the only differences we have seen is that among Vice Admirals there are ranks given, like with Vergo and Smoker they were both VA but Vergo was station commander while Smoker was just a VA stationed there, Vergo had seniority over everyone in the base including smoker, or take Jhon Giant who was the commander of Marinefort, he had the authority to mobilize all units with only the Fleet Admiral being the only person to veto, even when the Admirals where in the same base Jhon Giant's direct superior was Sengoku and not the Admirals.
There are no HQ level and none HQ level rank vice admirals they are all VA with some being station commander while others not being that.

 

[albertwv]

It would be a huge mistake since when there's trouble in the New World HQ is send there, no G-5 GL.
After reporting about Punk Hazard, Smoker was order to stand by and HQ VAs and HQ Admiral were dispatched.
After the events of Dressrossa no G-5 was sent but HQ VA Tsuru and HQ Sengoku

G-5 and the GL base are there to monitor what going on in the NW and report to HQ.



Yes they are ranked the same as the VAs at HQ but what I'm saying is the dispositions to get a promotion outside HQ is alot more easier than inside. But yes in the end of the day he now is a VA and have the same authority and power as the others but in terms of power level he's still a couple steps behind HQ VA.
And about Hina she isn't weaker than Smoker at all. It was said that although she's a Rear Admiral, she so promising and talented that HQ gave her almost the same authority and responsabilities as VAs.
As for Haki, it looks like she's one of VA Tsuru favourite marines alongside Gion (a candidate for Admiral post) so I'm pretty sure she has haki too.

Smoker was not told to stand by. First, he was recovering from his wounds. HQ branch only differs from the East Blue branches, a Commodore from the East blue is weaker than a Commodore in the GL, that is the difference you are talking about. I doubt there are any VAs in the East Blue. Being stationed at HQ doesnt automatically make you stronger. Not many people actually want to go to G-5 branch because its in the NW. No other G-5 VA was present to go to Dressrosa. Vergo was out and he was the commanding officer, Smoker was in recovery as far as we know there are no other VAs in G-5.

Smoker is a couple steps behind the Senior/veteran VAs we saw at Marineford but not because they are "HQ" VAs, they just been in the service longer.
Hina hasnt shown us any feats in the NW besides her getting Rear Admiral rank which aint shit. We havent seen her use Haki but we have seen Tashigi and Coby use it, i can even say they might even fight her evenly. But I put Smoker above Hina and I am sure more people agree with this.
I dont know where you got that info that she is Tsuru's favorite but that doesnt mean anything, even the "Admiral candidates" dont look so impressing they might not even be all that, not until we actually seem them in action can we judge the "Admiral candidates"

 

[kkck]

I am not sure the series has presented people of equal ranks being of different power levels based on their location. You'd think that to climb a rank you'd need to actually earn it. That said, the series has evidenced plenty of times people of equal ranks having very wide power levels... Admirals seem like the best example. On one hand you have weak VAs like smoker or maynard but then you have the big shots shown at marineford and if you add a bit of lore you have people who were even considered for promotion when akainu was promoted and aokiji quit.

We also have to consider that how the series conceives power levels changed through the story. Like when the VAs praised lucci as being strong even though at the time lucci at the most comparable to rookies most VAs would easily and instantly foderize or like when luffy defeated crocodile.

 

[DreamcastDazia]

@Ramen let us talk about Smoker here.

The Guy isn't even a HQ VA but a GL VA, pretty sure the level isn't the same.
If he had stay at HQ probably wouldn't be VA but a RA like Hina.
Everytime he fought someone strong it's the plot armor that saved him.
He's not even a match for Robin but since she's not a haki user fighting his smoke body would be impossible.
Honestly Smoker is weak but has a strong sense of justice
He could have the potential to reach Admiral level with his DF but right now he's really weak.
Don't think he's in the Top50 right now

If he learns to create black smoke then its a wrap

 

[Lord Traffy Law]

Time for people to start putting respect on odens name , he was a top top fighter , kaido was already pretty old when they fought so his strength was already close to it's peak , in one piece you're around your peak from 30s to early 50s

 

[thedude]

Spoiler: 1001 Spoilers

Shanks > Mihawk confirmed by Kaido this chapter. Put it to rest boys.

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Time for people to start putting respect on odens name , he was a top top fighter , kaido was already pretty old when they fought so his strength was already close to it's peak , in one piece you're around your peak from 30s to early 50s

Did people not respect him? He only lost to Kaido due to interference, and he could have escaped after that had he not been protecting everyone.

 

[Nie Li]

Spoiler: 1001 Spoilers

Shanks > Mihawk confirmed by Kaido this chapter. Put it to rest boys.

That was in no form or way a confirmation. Kaido may have never fought against Mihawk, so it adds literally nothing to that discussion.

 

[thedude]

That was in no form or way a confirmation. Kaido may have never fought against Mihawk, so it adds literally nothing to that discussion.

Adds more to it then the title talk does! A yonko seeing visions of the great men who could actually fight him, Shanks there, up with WB, Rocks, Roger and now Luffy. Mihawk, obviously, not there.

 

[Shasha23]

That was in no form or way a confirmation. Kaido may have never fought against Mihawk, so it adds literally nothing to that discussion.

This is truly laughable, people are even saying Mihawk, Big Mom, Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Blackbeard and Rayleigh to name but a few cant fight Kaido and since Luffy is the only shown along with the people Kaido said can fight him means Luffy is stronger than everyone who was not shown LOL

 

[Nie Li]

Adds more to it then the title talk does! A yonko seeing visions of the great men who could actually fight him, Shanks there, up with WB, Rocks, Roger and now Luffy. Mihawk, obviously, not there.

And neither are Big Mom, Garp, Rayleigh or Akainu there, and I'm positive they can all hurt him. Probably Blackbeard as well.

Mihawk's power for now is mostly gauged by his comparisons to Shanks, so Kaido not having met him adds nothing to his discussion, so as you said put it to rest.

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This is truly laughable, people are even saying Mihawk, Big Mom, Garp, Sengoku, Akainu, Aokiji, Kizaru, Blackbeard and Rayleigh to name but a few cant fight Kaido and since Luffy is the only shown along with the people Kaido said can fight him means Luffy is stronger than everyone who was not shown LOL

They are reaching very far right now.

I understand people not thinking Mihawk is as strong as he is due to lack of feats. That is fair, but this argument right now is reaching very, very far.

Rayleigh is a confirmed master of the same advanced haki Luffy has just barely learnt how to use. Thinking Luffy is stronger than him as well just because his shadow didn't show is beyond absurd.

I'm happy for the Shanks hype, but that's all this is, there's nothing new to the Mihawk debate.

 

[LadyVados]

Spoiler: 1001

Does Zoro now officially have better on-panel feats than Shanks ? Tagging one Yonko and overpowering a named attack from another ?

Also people using the silhouettes as any sort of powerscaling is insane, unless you think Oden > Prime Garp