One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[XXGenesis]

So, I would like to address Killer’s & Zoro comments....because I believe both of them were true statements...

Killer was Slightly nerf’d! But like Zoro saidit would have been the same result...Zoro’s win.

Both statements are true imo. Killer with his standard scythe handles is stronger than Killer with 2 large ass scythes........I always wanted Killer vs Zoro & thought it would be a good fight not as fast as it was....

However, despite Killer giving us Dialogue & context that he’s stronger with his normal weapons....It doesn’t mean jack squat to Zoro.

Zoro didn’t have 3 swords. & even more inconvenienced than Killer, used a bladed weapon but it wasn’t a sword it was a scythe a weapon we’ve never seen him use. & had distractions/interference on his end. He still dropped Killer.

So Killer as seen is stronger than he was vs Zoro. But Zoro is still handily stronger

 

[albertwv]

XXGenesis,
I agree with you about Zolo vs Killer. Zolo has suprassed Killer and maybe even Drake
Kaido's thoughts on Luffy able to hurt him like Roger, Rocks, Oden, and Shanks, IMO puts Shanks > BM and BB ....and Mihawk.

I will always put Shanks > Mihawk until proven otherwise.

 

[M3J]

He hasn't said anything wrong. Interestingly, Mihawk isn't as much of a household name as Shanks is.

 

[Ramen]

Shanks has more hype and somewhat quantifiable feats and moments going for him.

Mihawk has the title of WSS and that's really it. #JusticeforMihawk

 

[Fox666]

It is possible that the strongest attacks in the world can break the barrier, but so far, the strongest attacks we have seen that barrier tank are indeed Oden's slashes. Slashes strong enough to traumatize Kaido for 20 years. Still the only scar on his body.

Oden is already among the world strongest, the "strongest attacks in the world" would not make much difference.

As far we know, that was just an old man with a Devil Fruit. Oden was an invincible monster next to him.

Would the breaking point of the barrier be at the small difference between Oden and someone like Roger?

To put it into numbers... Oden was 1,000,000 times stronger than that old man, Roger would be 1,500,000 times stronger. Does the barrier breaks at this exact space?

Also I assume that if the barrier could be broken, then it could also be made stronger. And I'm sure the difference between Bartolomeo and a random old man is larger than Roger and Oden...

 

[Shasha23]

unless Oda retcons Mihawk's title as the strongest among the swordsman its idiotic to say Mihawk isn't the strongest because of so and so, only when this other swordman beat Mihawk, or beat someone Mihawk couldn't beat then they are below him and always will be. Also as we have seen so far from the 2 out of the 3 that hold the title of worlds strongest its stupid to downplay this characters, thinking your fav character is stronger than someone when he clearly isn't is just plain dumb

 

[Ramen]

I wouldn't take the flashback scene too seriously as a power level thing. It's clearly missing key people who we know can fight Kaido as an equal and above.

 

[albertwv]

He hasn't said anything wrong. Interestingly, Mihawk isn't as much of a household name as Shanks is.

That's what I've been saying, when you compare both Shanks and Mihawk in the OP world, people are more terrified of Shanks. Shanks has clashed with WB while Mihawk has clashed with Vista.

 

[M3J]

That's what I've been saying, when you compare both Shanks and Mihawk in the OP world, people are more terrified of Shanks. Shanks has clashed with WB while Mihawk has clashed with Vista.

Yep, and Shanks has been consistently hyped. Blackbeard had no problem with the possibility of fighting Mihawk, but he didn't want to fight Shanks. Plus, Mihawk's title is the world's strongest swordsman, not the world's greatest fighter. That alone says it all for me when compared to an Emperor.

 

[LadyVados]

That's what I've been saying, when you compare both Shanks and Mihawk in the OP world, people are more terrified of Shanks. Shanks has clashed with WB while Mihawk has clashed with Vista.

Fake News- The Zoro novel confirms that after defeating Pica Zoro is already more feared in the One Piece world than Shanks let alone Mihawk

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 25, 2021, Original Post Date: Jan 25, 2021 ---

XXGenesis,
I agree with you about Zolo vs Killer. Zolo has suprassed Killer and maybe even Drake
Kaido's thoughts on Luffy able to hurt him like Roger, Rocks, Oden, and Shanks, IMO puts Shanks > BM and BB ....and Mihawk.

I will always put Shanks > Mihawk until proven otherwise.

I guess you put Oden above BM, BB and Mihawk too ?

 

[Ramen]

Fake News- The Zoro novel confirms that after defeating Pica Zoro is already more feared in the One Piece world than Shanks let alone Mihawk

Proof?

 

[M3J]

Fake News- The Zoro novel confirms that after defeating Pica Zoro is already more feared in the One Piece world than Shanks let alone Mihawk

I call bullshit. Pica isn't even a captain, there's no reason for Zoro to be feared for beating an underling of a warlord who's vastly inferior to an emperor.

 

[Mirage]

Fake News- The Zoro novel confirms that after defeating Pica Zoro is already more feared in the One Piece world than Shanks let alone Mihawk

WHAT?

 

[Pirate Queen]

The Zoro novel is not canon. I have brought this up as a fun fact previously. The novel is mainly about marines wondering who is he strongest swordsman and they can't decide who is stronger due to Zoro cutting Pica and Mihawk cutting a tsunami. Also take in to account these are low level marines who don't truly have a grasp on the full situation.

Shank is far more feared than Mihawk, partly due to Shanks having influence, territory, and a crew. Marines don't need to send their full power at Mihawk. Just a fraction... but if Shanks mobilized they would need at least the 3 Admirals and the Fleet Admiral to fight him off.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 25, 2021, Original Post Date: Jan 25, 2021 ---

Proof?

THIS IS NOT CANON FYI (but is a fun read)

ZORO: [A Swordsman Consultation] - After the conclusion of Luffy's fight with Doflamingo, Zoro visits a bar in Dressroza, disguised to have some drink. When he overhears three marine soldiers discussing the strongest swordsman in the world, Zoro joins them on his own and hilarious discussion/debate ensues

 

[hokageji]

The Zoro novel is not canon. I have brought this up as a fun fact previously. The novel is mainly about marines wondering who is he strongest swordsman and they can't decide who is stronger due to Zoro cutting Pica and Mihawk cutting a tsunami. Also take in to account these are low level marines who don't truly have a grasp on the full situation.

Shank is far more feared than Mihawk, partly due to Shanks having influence, territory, and a crew. Marines don't need to send their full power at Mihawk. Just a fraction... but if Shanks mobilized they would need at least the 3 Admirals and the Fleet Admiral to fight him off.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 25, 2021, Original Post Date: Jan 25, 2021 ---

THIS IS NOT CANON FYI (but is a fun read)

ZORO: [A Swordsman Consultation] - After the conclusion of Luffy's fight with Doflamingo, Zoro visits a bar in Dressroza, disguised to have some drink. When he overhears three marine soldiers discussing the strongest swordsman in the world, Zoro joins them on his own and hilarious discussion/debate ensues

Is there any mention of the strongest marine swordsmen anywhere? The 5 strongest in the navy don't use any swords. Sure Fujitora uses one but his strength doesn't come from one.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Is there any mention of the strongest marine swordsmen anywhere? The 5 strongest in the navy don't use any swords. Sure Fujitora uses one but his strength doesn't come from one.

Nope just pirates I believe. The mention Mihawk, Vista, Shanks, Zoro and ryuma

https://m.fanfiction.net/s/12871877/3/

Some one translated it on fanfiction.net. not an offical translation but still amusing

 

[Ramen]

THIS IS NOT CANON FYI (but is a fun read)

Damn my g, no need for the caps

ZORO: [A Swordsman Consultation] - After the conclusion of Luffy's fight with Doflamingo, Zoro visits a bar in Dressroza, disguised to have some drink. When he overhears three marine soldiers discussing the strongest swordsman in the world, Zoro joins them on his own and hilarious discussion/debate ensues

How tf does this prove Whis' statement? Not that it matters if it's not canon.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Damn my g, no need for the caps



How tf does this prove Whis' statement? Not that it matters if it's not canon.

Sorry I was just saying there IS a Zoro novel not that whis isright lol. He's full of it, as usual lol

 

[Ramen]

Sorry I was just saying there IS a Zoro novel not that whis isright lol. He's full of it, as usual lol

Where can I read it?

 

[LadyVados]

Proof?

I call bullshit. Pica isn't even a captain, there's no reason for Zoro to be feared for beating an underling of a warlord who's vastly inferior to an emperor.

WHAT?

@Pirate Queen already posted the translation. 3 guys are talking in a bar about who the strongest swordsman in the world is and they're debating between Mihawk and Zoro, they consider Vista, Ryuma and Shanks but then conclude that they aren't anything that special (they even outright say Shanks didn't seem that impressive) and the debate is really between Mihawk and Shanks.

The average person in the one piece world considers Zoro stronger and a bigger deal than Shanks. And I'm not surprised, most normal people in the one piece world don't even know who the yonko are. Heck even Nami and Judge's Son didn't know anything about them until Garp told them and those 2 are probably more knowledegable than 90% of the people in the one piece world. The Yonko's fame is restricted to the grand line.