Discussion One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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according to what? assumptions based on logia appearances? that could just be oda taking artistic liberties.
According to Smoker not wanting to transform into smoke into the later part of the Rogue Town arc because he would put himself at risk or being thrown into the ocean by the strong winds of the storm. Smoker is fully human, made of flesh and bones, unless he choses to transform into his element.

The same applies to every other logia.
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He doesn't lower anything, he just makes ice.
This is Aokiji instantly freezing the sea and everything within it. He didn't "just make ice in the water". He froze it by instantly lowering its temperature by God knows how many degrees.



And he did that with just a slight touch.
 

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According to Smoker not wanting to transform into smoke into the later part of the Rogue Town arc because he would put himself at risk or being thrown into the ocean by the strong winds of the storm. Smoker is fully human, made of flesh and bones, unless he choses to transform into his element.

The same applies to every other logia.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---


This is Aokiji instantly freezing the sea and everything within it. He didn't "just make ice in the water". He froze it by instantly lowering its temperature by God knows how many degrees.



And he did that with just a slight touch.
A Logia user is a DF user; and which are a different sub species. Yes they are humans, who’s body has changed. DF overall changes the users body to use abilities, transform etc

As to Why BB is so Dangerous; or why his fruit is so strong. It completely negates the DF. They are literally the elements they transformed into, & also can stay in human form. But logia’s are human elements.

Only a Bum ass Logia user, would be hit with something other than Haki or the counter to their element.....Via Ace crashing into Smoker, hurting him.
 

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Actually, Ace ability being evenly matched with Aokiji is quite a surprise.

We never really see Ace using his ability to the extend the Admirals do, which can destroy an entire island.

However, that scene proves Ace could, on theory, melt the giant icebergs that Aokiji created on Marineford as fast as Aokiji created them.
 

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Actually, Ace ability being evenly matched with Aokiji is quite a surprise.

We never really see Ace using his ability to the extend the Admirals do, which can destroy an entire island.

However, that proves Ace could, on theory, melt the giant icebergs that Aokiji created on Marineford as fast as Aokiji created them.
Agreed. But I don’t think Ace could keep the flamethrower going against Akoji freeze blast if they just sat there and fired at each other. I believe Ace would gas’s out first...resulting in an Ice Age.

Fire Vs Ice in Manga has always had the same relationship. They are equals, that cancel each other out. Makes sense. Normally someone has greater range and skill with their ability, which would result in a winner or someone having the upper hand
 

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Agreed. But I don’t think Ace could keep the flamethrower going against Akoji freeze blast if they just sat there and fired at each other. I believe Ace would gas’s out first...resulting in an Ice Age.
I don't think Logias can use up all of their powers, or anything like that.

Maybe Ace couldn't stay awake for 10 days like Aokiji...
 

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According to Smoker not wanting to transform into smoke into the later part of the Rogue Town arc because he would put himself at risk or being thrown into the ocean by the strong winds of the storm. Smoker is fully human, made of flesh and bones, unless he choses to transform into his element.

The same applies to every other logia.

A majority of the stuff logias do is just Oda taking artistic liberties.

Whenever that "fully human, made of flesh and bones" body gets tested it poofs into an element.

If they can't feel the sensation of pain, it's not a real body. It's just a faux body the fruit creates for convenience. As such, it should be susceptible to adverse elements.

Interestingly enough... when logais do come across these elements. Their df's seemingly turnoff (i.e. crocodile+water/enel+rubber).


This is Aokiji instantly freezing the sea and everything within it. He didn't "just make ice in the water". He froze it by instantly lowering its temperature by God knows how many degrees.



And he did that with just a slight touch.

Aokiji does not have the Hiya-hiya no mi.

He has the hie-hie no mi, which makes ice.
 

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A majority of the stuff logias do is just Oda taking artistic liberties.

Whenever that "fully human, made of flesh and bones" body gets tested it poofs into an element.

If they can't feel the sensation of pain, it's not a real body. It's just a faux body the fruit creates for convenience. As such, it should be susceptible to adverse elements.

Interestingly enough... when logais do come across these elements. Their df's seemingly turnoff (i.e. crocodile+water/enel+rubber).





Aokiji does not have the Hiya-hiya no mi.

He has the hie-hie no mi, which makes ice.
You're nitpicking the name, Kuzan can make ice and lower objects and people's temperature. Hie literally means chilly, as in its cold and the VIZ name for the fruit is literally the chilly chilly fruit.
 
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According to Smoker not wanting to transform into smoke into the later part of the Rogue Town arc because he would put himself at risk or being thrown into the ocean by the strong winds of the storm. Smoker is fully human, made of flesh and bones, unless he choses to transform into his element.

The same applies to every other logia.
--- Double Post Merged, , Original Post Date: ---


This is Aokiji instantly freezing the sea and everything within it. He didn't "just make ice in the water". He froze it by instantly lowering its temperature by God knows how many degrees.



And he did that with just a slight touch.
lol, how is this even a debate. You are totally right on this about the ice.
 

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Kuzan can lower objects and people's temperature.

By covering them in ice...

He can't just lower temperatures like Oven increases temperatures.
 

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I don't think Logias can use up all of their powers, or anything like that.

Maybe Ace couldn't stay awake for 10 days like Aokiji...
I don’t believe their stamina and endurance are unlimited. So I doubt they are pulling off big attacks while tired.

lol, how is this even a debate. You are totally right on this about the ice.
Because a pocket lighter can’t completely thaw out a iceberg. Neither can a flamethrower.

Fire melts ice. Still need sufficient flames to melt the Ice. Nobody is arguing this point.

We are talking about characters.
 

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By covering them in ice...

He can't just lower temperatures like Oven increases temperatures.
He doesn't cover them in ice, he freezes them. Whatever Kuzan freezes don't get an extra volume so we know he's not just pumping ice into them. Kuzan has can just freeze them, he literally freezes the air around him when using ice partisan.
 

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By covering them in ice...

He can't just lower temperatures like Oven increases temperatures.
He doesn't cover them in ice, he freezes them. Whatever Kuzan freezes don't get an extra volume so we know he's not just pumping ice into them. Kuzan has can just freeze them, he literally freezes the air around him when using ice partisan.
Aokiji cannot create ice.

He has to throw leafs to create a sword:

if his power was just to lower temperatures he’d be a paramecia
He can create ice and more volumes of ice
It’s the power of logia , they create volumes of their fruit to fight
 

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if his power was just to lower temperatures he’d be a paramecia
He can create ice and more volumes of ice
It’s the power of logia , they create volumes of their fruit to fight
Fire
Electricity
Gravity
Light

None of these have "volume"

Aokiji turns into "cold", like Blackbeard turns into "gravity"
 

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Fire
Electricity
Gravity
Light

None of these have "volume"

Aokiji turns into "cold", like Blackbeard turns into "gravity"
This is definitely replicating their powers volume wise
Ace/fire


electricity/enel

Enel could destroy whole islands and massive structures

darkness/Blackbeard


Kizaru/light
(look at the size of law’s ship it’s not small and kizaru’s beams dwarf it in size )

And by volume I don’t mean in real life sense just that logias can spam their element of which they’re made of hence what I mean by volime
 

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The whole Aokiji using grass to create the sword seems like an inconsistency on Oda's part before he truly defined his powers (and the powers of his top-tier peers).

He can freeze anything (and can hence create ice by freezing the air around him) so at the time he seemed to need the grass to establish the shape of the sword. However, at later arcs he does things like shaping these spears out of thin air.


Same for the pheasant or whatever it was that he threw at Ace. He formed that out of nowhere and the shape was pretty complex.


Logia powers include:
- Becoming their elements at will. Partially or otherwise. Some are capable of transforming by reflex.
- Shaping their own bodies freely if transformed into their elements.
- Generating more of their elements from their bodies.
- Controlling their elements from a distance. Apparently even what they didn't create themselves. (Though this is limited according to Crocodile). For example, Enel used his Ark Maxim to create cumulonimbus that generated the electric power that he later planed to use to destroy Skypiea.
 
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