One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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[jaymizzo]

No salad for you today.

Who was holding back for 3 days?

I concede, do you mind showing us how WB held back. No theories, just that he didnt hold back based on their clash.

Oh, and Roger was dying. Half a dead man > WSM

 

[Pirate Queen]

I concede, do you mind showing us how WB held back. No theories, just that he didnt hold back based on their clash.

Dead lol

 

[jaymizzo]

Dead lol

Back to the days of screenshot or it didn't happen

 

[nik87]

I concede, do you mind showing us how WB held back. No theories, just that he didnt hold back based on their clash.
Oh, and Roger was dying. Half a dead man > WSM

How did he hold back? Because with his heart stabbed and insides burned and half his face molten he almost sunk Marineford while holding back.
The island where he fought Roger was clean, lol. He fought him with 50% of his power.

Zoro, another silver medalist

Zoro gets World's Strongest title while Luffione gets a title that has nothing to do with an individual's strength, just like that fraud Roger.

 

[jaymizzo]

How did he hold back? Because with his heart stabbed and insides burned and half his face molten he almost sunk Marineford while holding back.
The island where he fought Roger was clean, lol. He fought him with 50% of his power.

That's a theory.

Just proof please. Why live in all this doubt Nik-chan when the sweet release of manga evidence awaits you.

 

[nik87]

That's a theory.
Just proof please. Why live in all this doubt Nik-chan when the sweet release of manga evidence awaits you.

Proof - Marineford destroyed.
Proof - The island of the 3-day battle not destroyed.
It is all in the manga Mizzo-kun.

 

[Pirate Queen]

How did he hold back? Because with his heart stabbed and insides burned and half his face molten he almost sunk Marineford while holding back.
The island where he fought Roger was clean, lol. He fought him with 50% of his power.

Zoro gets World's Strongest title while Luffione gets a title that has nothing to do with an individual's strength, just like that fraud Roger.

The title that no one but 2 people care about?

The world fears and respects the Pirate King and no one even cares about the WSS

And even better Luffy is going to defeat Yonko and get all of the credit. Doubt Zoro even gets a mention... as usual.

See, I can troll to. Expect my trolling has a layer of truth to it

*Nik face at the end of Wano when Luffy gets all the credit again (as he should)

 

[jaymizzo]

Proof - Marineford destroyed.
Proof - The island of the 3-day battle not destroyed.
It is all in the manga Mizzo-kun.

Marineford being destroyed has nothing to do with what damage Roger can take or nullify. I don't understand what that has to do with a 3 day fight Nik-chan.

The Island being intact still has nothing to do with who is stronger.

Back to the question.

1) Who won the 3 day fight?
Choices based on the manga
a) Roger
b) WB
c) Draw

Answers not based on the manga
a) Holding back
b) Marineford was destroyed though
c) But gura gura was not shown

2. And how can you have the title WSM while theres two of you? (Bonus).

Choice of answers based on the manga
a) You can't.
b) You can't.
c) You can't

 

[Pirate Queen]

Proof - Marineford destroyed.
Proof - The island of the 3-day battle not destroyed.
It is all in the manga Mizzo-kun.

Would you pull a gun against someone with a nuke? It's pointless for WB to use quakes when Roger's very being is strength incarnate, bro

 

[Fox666]

Same reason he didnt go all out in MF until Ace died. His crew was right there and him going all out with his DF powers means death for all of them.

If that's the case, Whitebeard can never use all of his powers, since it would be suicide.

Well, what are your counter-arguments to WSM belonging to WB and Roger not having the power to destroy the world?

Whitebeard having the power to destroy the world is an exaggeration. Officially, Whitebeard has the "strongest Paramecia", meaning there are other fruits stronger than the Gura Gura no Mi.

 

[nik87]

The title that no one but 2 people care about?
The world fears and respects the Pirate King and no one even cares about the WSS
And even better Luffy is going to defeat Yonko and get all of the credit. Doubt Zoro even gets a mention... as usual.
See, I can troll to. Expect my trolling has a layer of truth to it

*Nik face at the end of Wano when Luffy gets all the credit again (as he should)

A title that people are too weak to attain, that's why they dont care about it.
Zoro's bounty will be increased by a higher amount than Luffy's. Wouldnt be the first time.

Marineford being destroyed has nothing to do with what damage Roger can take or nullify. I don't understand what that has to do with a 3 day fight Nik-chan.
The Island being intact still has nothing to do with who is stronger.
Back to the question.
1) Who won the 3 day fight?
Choices based on the manga
a) Roger
b) WB
c) Draw
Answers not based on the manga
a) Holding back
b) Marineford was destroyed though
c) But gura gura was not shown
2. And how can you have the title WSM while theres two of you? (Bonus).
Choice of answers based on the manga
a) You can't.
b) You can't.
c) You can't

Got proof that Roger can nullify WB's DF? Share it with us.
Island being intact means WB never went all out.
1 - Draw while WB holds back/
2 - There were never two WSM who had the power to destroy the world. Only one - Shirohige.

Would you pull a gun against someone with a nuke? It's pointless for WB to use quakes when Roger's very being is strength incarnate, bro

Strength incarnate while facing THE guy who holds WSM title instead of you?

If that's the case, Whitebeard can never use all of his powers, since it would be suicide.
Whitebeard having the power to destroy the world is an exaggeration. Officially, Whitebeard has the "strongest Paramecia", meaning there are other fruits stronger than the Gura Gura no Mi.

He can go all out, he doesnt destroy the ground under himself but everything else. We saw it in Marineford.
Are you sure its exaggeration? Because he was tilting the world upside down while holding back...
Strongest Paramecia means Strongest Paramecia, not that other fruits are stronger than it.
Stronger/strongest fruit has never been specified. Only the strongest of the Paramecia and Logia category.

 

[King Moe]

Crackers situation is different. The BM chase went down the next day! Cracker may have healed given a week like Page 1 is able to.

He is YC3 guy though if he can't at least heal out later when others can especially Luffy from his fights, then it should make sense he came back next day, but haven't. Ancient Zoan or not, P1 healing factor isn't always to save him for long if beating was too much as Zoans got stay down for good sometimes.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

no one is bashing Sanji. You are being confronted with facts and don't know how to counter them properly so you immediately assume we are belittling Sanji when the fat remains that a week is a long time for someone to recover in the OP verse unless they are killed

Agree. Even tama doesnt take a long time to recover after attacked by kaido. But somehow king moe thinks a character with high durability will take longer to recover from attacked by sanji.

 

[King Moe]

Agree. Even tama doesnt take a long time to recover after attacked by kaido. But somehow king moe thinks a character with high durability will take longer to recover from attacked by sanji.

Sanji could have beaten him down until he never gets up which is simple since if Base Kicks were making him scream in pain, if he went using named moves or even using DJ or Haki, he is down for an very long time. If Oda hasn't shown him back still after others, meaning he is down for good from the beatdown.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

No, that's not what I said. My responses have always been about his DF, not Haki. If you can quote me saying Haki it's definitely a typo but I doubt it.

You said this:
And I thought u meant his Haki attack on Roger.

1. His attack would have been more powerful if he incorporated the DF powers into it like we have seen him do in Marineford - holding back.

Well, what are your counter-arguments to WSM belonging to WB and Roger not having the power to destroy the world?

The power to destroy the world does not equate to being strongest.
Blackbeard acquired the same power 2 years from the current timeline and he was far from being that.
2 years on and he can't still claim to be the strongest.

The Gura Gura no mi may be the most destructive fruit in the world but has nothing to do with actual physical strength.

Roger is the strongest character physically that we know of and is only matched by Roger in overall combat ability.
It's a shame on Whitebeard cos Roger so far has not been indicated to have a DF.
The shame should be on Whitebeard mate.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 1, 2020, Original Post Date: Jan 1, 2020 ---

Got proof that Roger can nullify WB's DF? Share it with us.
Island being intact means WB never went all out.
1 - Draw while WB holds back/
2 - There were never two WSM who had the power to destroy the world. Only one - Shirohige.

1 - Draw while Roger held back and was nerfed The narrator did say that the fight was constantly swinging in favour of either one. Each time it swung in Roger's favour, WB was holding back and each time it was in WB's favour, Roger was holding back and having illness pangs at the same time.

2. It seems you've missed the fact that the power to destroy the world is what the Gura Gura no mi stands for.
Just look at Blackbeard once he acquired it, he claimed to be able to sink Marineford while having 0 knowledge on the way the fruit works. And what's the next thing we saw?
One unintentional and amateur strike from his arm and a Tsunami manifested. Threatening both Marineford and a far away Sabaody archipelago.
That is the power to destroy the world!

 

[nik87]

The power to destroy the world does not equate to being strongest.
Blackbeard acquired the same power 2 years from the current timeline and he was far from being that.
2 years on and he can't still claim to be the strongest.
The Gura Gura no mi may be the most destructive fruit in the world but has nothing to do with actual physical strength.

Whether or not it equates to being strongest it sure belonger to the World's Strongest Man who stands above Roger and conveniently it was never used against Roger. Gura has nothing to do with strength but WSM does and it doesnt belong to Roger.
This is what Blackbeard claims upon obtaining the Gura:

Roger is the strongest character physically that we know of and is only matched by Roger in overall combat ability.
It's a shame on Whitebeard cos Roger so far has not been indicated to have a DF.
The shame should be on Whitebeard mate.

Roger is obviously not physically the strongest, WSM tells you exactly who the strongest is.
Roger so far hasnt shown any indication of being equal aside from Oda babysitting him and putting him in such situations where he can look so by making WB hold back his incredible DF powers.

1 - Draw while Roger held back and was nerfed The narrator did say that the fight was constantly swinging in favour of either one. Each time it swung in Roger's favour, WB was holding back and each time it was in WB's favour, Roger was holding back and having illness pangs at the same time.

2. It seems you've missed the fact that the power to destroy the world is what the Gura Gura no mi stands for.
Just look at Blackbeard once he acquired it, he claimed to be able to sink Marineford while having 0 knowledge on the way the fruit works. And what's the next thing we saw?
One unintentional and amateur strike from his arm and a Tsunami manifested. Threatening both Marineford and a far away Sabaody archipelago.
That is the power to destroy the world!

The narator says that the favor was switching between the crews and the state that island was in tells us that Gura wasnt used, at all. Roger having illness pangs is headcanon unfortunatelly.
Yes, yes, Gura is a powerful ability, I know that and Roger hasnt been shown dealing with it.

It is very simple, no mental gymnastics can make Roger look better than Whitebeard, Oda made sure of that when he gave Whitebeard an entire war arc while he gave off-paneled flashback gift exchange to Roger.

 

[jaymizzo]

Whether or not it equates to being strongest it sure belonger to the World's Strongest Man who stands above Roger and conveniently it was never used against Roger.

The manga disagrees with you fully with a lot of different characters.

WB has never, ever, stood above Roger. Not in this manga. In your headcannon sure


I have it all (while wielding both the Yami Yami and Gura Gura). But sure, he was only talking about one fruit

Whose flashback are we watching Moe-kun... I mean, Nik-chan

 

[nik87]

The manga disagrees with you fully with a lot of different characters.
WB has never, ever, stood above Roger. Not in this manga. In your headcannon sure

How comes Mizzo-chan? To who did WSM, the strength related title, belong?

Moe-kun...

Whose flashback are we watching Nik-chan

There wont be any major Roger flashback. This is the best you will get.

 

[AINSOOALGOWN_SAMA]

Whose flashback are we watching Moe-kun... I mean, Nik-chan

Damn Nik has seriously gone haywire in the Moe-kun direction. I knew it would happen sooner or later but I'm still shocked to be honest.

@nik87 enjoying fantasy land with Moe logic. I'll pray for you matey.

 

[Fox666]

Stronger/strongest fruit has never been specified. Only the strongest of the Paramecia and Logia category.

O: I guess that's difficult. The answer is Paramecia. "Gura Gura no Mi" is said to be the most powerful of the many paramecia fruits. It's easy to think that he's an "Earthquake Human" and must be Logia, but if that was so, he'd have to become an earthquake himself. Whitebeard creates earthquakes, in other words he's a "Vibration Human". That means he's a Paramecia who isn't any weaker than the Logias.

IMHO saying it's not "any weaker than Logias" implies some fruits are more powerful.