One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Deleted member 169696]

Ahahaha. Dude why am I such a slowpoke??

I was just thinking about drawing almost the exact same thing the other day!!

Except I would probably do it a bit differently (let's keep that a secret till I actually draw it).

But man this is hilarious .

 

[nik87]

Ahahaha. Dude why am I such a slowpoke??
I was just thinking about drawing almost the exact same thing the other day!!
Except I would probably do it a bit differently (let's keep that a secret till I actually draw it).
But man this is hilarious .

It is hilarious.
Looking forward to your version.

 

[XXGenesis]

Stone is not a particularly durable material in One Piece. The monster trio could open the ground open since the beginning of the series, and take blows of similar strength into their faces.

The only thing Pica had was his size, which was even bigger than Wadatsumi.

Vergo destroyed the steel walls of the laboratory with the mere shock wave of his bamboo swinging.

East Blue era they were not destroying the ground, best destructive feat was Luffy knocking down the building with Arlong..they were def building lv destruction.

Yes Stone isnt very durable...Still not eeveryone can destroy mini hills,mountains or big buildings....

At best Pica's 1st appearance vs Luffy..Vergo or Sanji could probably destroy the body parts of that size but nothing else..and I doubt they could do it with 1 blow, maybe a barrage

Me personally, I can only speculate & use a little head cannon only when there's enough evidence.

 

[Luke Beifong]

Where Zoro CoO is better than Luffy CoO? Man, I want to see it, please! For me Zoro CoO is so worked in the history than Sanji CoA, almost never

 

[King Moe]

Where Zoro CoO is better than Luffy CoO? Man, I want to see it, please! For me Zoro CoO is so worked in the history than Sanji CoA, almost never

Zoro's COO are not better than Luffy's and Sanji's by miles given how much he got hit easily in his fights this arc.

Sanji's COA has shown to be apparent and strong as or more than Zoro's given his feats thus far. Idk what you mean there about it.

 

[nik87]

Where Zoro CoO is better than Luffy CoO? Man, I want to see it, please! For me Zoro CoO is so worked in the history than Sanji CoA, almost never

Mr Future Sight seeing and sensing absolutely nothing.

 

[Fox666]

I think is clear Zoro saw the arrow with his eyes. And blocking that arrow is not even that impressive post-timeskip.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Also Luffy knows he can count on Zoro.

 

[nik87]

Or it is Zoro's CoO feat while Mr FS right next to him senses/sees nothing.
Or maybe when Luffy does sense something and Zoro doesnt, it is because Zoro knows he can count on Luffy?

 

[M3J]

Mr Future Sight seeing and sensing absolutely nothing.

Luffy dodged Demalo's bullet as well with CoO. This is not impressive, especially when Luffy likely used Future Sight to see Zoro blocking the arrow. This really doesn't indicate anything, especially when Zoro's been hit by attacks that he should have seen or detected with CoO.

 

[nik87]

Luffy dodged Demalo's bullet as well with CoO. This is not impressive, especially when Luffy likely used Future Sight to see Zoro blocking the arrow. This really doesn't indicate anything, especially when Zoro's been hit by attacks that he should have seen or detected with CoO.

It is as impressive as Luffy's CoO and Zoro doesnt have FS and still does pick up things which FS user Luffy doesnt.
If you are expecting Luffy to be a step ahead of everything just because he can use FS every now and then, you are setting yourself for a disappointment.

He is definitely not Katakuri and never will be when it comes to FS.
I guess Luffy also saw Zoro handling Gazzeleman and stopping him from kidnapping Tama so that's the reason Mr FS didnt react. Oh wait...

 

[HereNThere]

Everything doesn't have to be a pissing contest.

Zoro was literally in a better position to save Otsuru since he was the closest to her. There is no reason to compare the two's CoO in this instance. Both probably sensed it and Luffy rightfully trusted Zoro to react.

If you read a few pages later, we see Luffy standing back and letting Zoro continue to handle defense from even more arrows, even though we know Luffy is more than capable of defending himself.

I don't know if y'all noticed, but not everything is about power levels (he says in a thread dedicated to power levels) .

 

[M3J]

It is as impressive as Luffy's CoO and Zoro doesnt have FS and still does pick up things which FS user Luffy doesnt.
If you are expecting Luffy to be a step ahead of everything just because he can use FS every now and then, you are setting yourself for a disappointment.

He is definitely not Katakuri and never will be when it comes to FS.
I guess Luffy also saw Zoro handling Gazzeleman and stopping him from kidnapping Tama so that's the reason Mr FS didnt react. Oh wait...

It's not impressive because CoO can do basic stuff like that. Katakuri saw Sanji dodging the Minister's bullet so he tried to take Sanji out, but Sanji saw that coming with his CoO and dodged, something Katakuri didn't expect.

I don't think anyone has ever said that, and I often say Luffy won't use Future Sight much because it's not in line with his character.


Zoro failed too, so his CoO is not that good either, then.

 

[GL_Nova]

It's not impressive because CoO can do basic stuff like that. Katakuri saw Sanji dodging the Minister's bullet so he tried to take Sanji out, but Sanji saw that coming with his CoO and dodged, something Katakuri didn't expect.

I don't think anyone has ever said that, and I often say Luffy won't use Future Sight much because it's not in line with his character.


Zoro failed too, so his CoO is not that good either, then.

We’ve already seen him use it a fair amount.

 

[M3J]

When?

 

[Fox666]

When?

Against Katakuri, and training in Udon.

He didn't used it when he attacked Kaido because he was not focused.

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Or it is Zoro's CoO feat while Mr FS right next to him senses/sees nothing.
Or maybe when Luffy does sense something and Zoro doesnt, it is because Zoro knows he can count on Luffy?

Sheesh dude, it has already been answered to you.

Blocking an arrow is by no mean an impressive feat for Zoro. He probably could have done it at the beginning of the series.

Zoro is clearly looking at the arrow, meaning he did not use CoO, or even needed to.

Compare it to, for example, Sanji dodging Katakuri's bullet: he was facing away, and his body position makes it clear he moved by instinct.

 

[nik87]

Zoro was literally in a better position to save Otsuru since he was the closest to her. There is no reason to compare the two's CoO in this instance. Both probably sensed it and Luffy rightfully trusted Zoro to react.

Let's not compare their CoO in that instance because we cannot have Luffy look worse, can we now?
Mr FS didnt sense anything, just like he didnt sense anything about Pica and Zoro told him what's up...

It's not impressive because CoO can do basic stuff like that. Katakuri saw Sanji dodging the Minister's bullet so he tried to take Sanji out, but Sanji saw that coming with his CoO and dodged, something Katakuri didn't expect.

I don't think anyone has ever said that, and I often say Luffy won't use Future Sight much because it's not in line with his character.
Zoro failed too, so his CoO is not that good either, then.

If you are comparing their basic CoO, there is no better or worse character when it comes to it. All of them have shown feats of being capable of it and all of them have failed to show it working when they should have, numerous of times. "Luffy trusting Zoro to deal with it.." is just pure denial, Luffy isnt all-powerful.
Even Katakuri, with years of FS experience, failed several times when it comes to basic CoO aura detection.
Sanji dodging Katakuri's bean is basic CoO feat, picking up a bullet from a fodder ain't no different.

Sheesh dude, it has already been answered to you.
Blocking an arrow is by no mean an impressive feat for Zoro. He probably could have done it at the beginning of the series.
Zoro is clearly looking at the arrow, meaning he did not use CoO, or even needed to.
Compare it to, for example, Sanji dodging Katakuri's bullet: he was facing away, and his body position makes it clear he moved by instinct.

You will have to try a lot harder to downplay that Zoro's feat which makes Luffy with FS look bad.

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For those who think Luffy knew about it or saw it with FS, he only noticed the entire thing after Zoro blocked it.

 

[albertwv]

Oda mentioned Zolo's CoA was better than Luffy's pre G4 or Sanji's. Sanji's CoO was better than Zolo's and Luffy's pre FS. Luffy's CoC is better than both of theirs, which they don't have. Oda confirmed this on a SBS before Dressrosa Arc so obviously before G4 or Future Sight.

Luffy has always trusted Zolo on dealing with weak and strong opponents. He trusted Zolo on beating Pica. That arrow is no feat in the New World. Honestly, Idk how both Gazelleman and Batman were able to steal Tama. I think it downplays both Luffy and Zolo, they shouldve been able to see it coming and stopped them but because of PLOT ARMOR. They needed to get to Holdem for the story to progress.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Oda mentioned Zolo's CoA was better than Luffy's pre G4 or Sanji's. Sanji's CoO was better than Zolo's and Luffy's pre FS. Luffy's CoC is better than both of theirs, which they don't have. Oda confirmed this on a SBS before Dressrosa Arc so obviously before G4 or Future Sight.

Luffy has always trusted Zolo on dealing with weak and strong opponents. He trusted Zolo on beating Pica. That arrow is no feat in the New World. Honestly, Idk how both Gazelleman and Batman were able to steal Tama. I think it downplays both Luffy and Zolo, they shouldve been able to see it coming and stopped them but because of PLOT ARMOR. They needed to get to Holdem for the story to progress.

Thats not what oda said... at all. He said Zoro specialized in CoA and Sanji specialized in CoO not that they were better than anyone else and like you said that was out of pretime skip now Luffy's CoO and CoA is miles ahead of either Sanji or Zoro.

That being said, why are you all feeding an obvious troll and a ridiculous arguement...

Which is what exactly?

Zoro needs CoO to see a very direct oncoming arrow, now? Now we have Zoro, who isn't even the 2nd strongest strawhat anymore needing haki to block a simple arrow?

Downplay Zoro's reaction feat to play up his CoO... which everyone with a brain knows is miles below Luffy's when Luffy utilizes it?

 

[Shasha23]

Oda mentioned Zolo's CoA was better than Luffy's pre G4 or Sanji's. Sanji's CoO was better than Zolo's and Luffy's pre FS. Luffy's CoC is better than both of theirs, which they don't have. Oda confirmed this on a SBS before Dressrosa Arc so obviously before G4 or Future Sight.

Zoro's CoA was always better than Luffy even with G4, Luffy has only started pulling ahead because of his advanced CoA training, but even that might be mitigated by the fact Zoro is training his advanced CoA as well with Enma so its up in the air who has better CoA, but before Wano arc Zoro's CoA was way better than Luffy.