One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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As of now these topics are shelved due to repetitiveness or until the manga can present us with material to further discussions:

1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[hokageji]

ho said that BM is weak? Saying that Mihawk is stronger than BM is by no means saying that BM is weak.

I didn't mean you, then just something that was being discussed...

I disagree that Mihawk is above Big Mom... Again, your only proof to this lies in the assumption that Big Mama isa sword user. But she's so much more... She can literally create 1000s of Prometheus in a battle and Mihawk won't be able to do much...

If Big Mom and Mihawk decide to have a sword duel, i am willing to agree Mihawk will win, befitting his title. No other situation can Mihawk beat her.

Replace Shanks with Mihawk and RHP becomes an even greater force. Nothing changed except that Mihawk becomes a Yonko without his PL changing...
Whitebeard Pirates went through 2 crushing defeats - Marineford and Payback war. After that, they werent strong enough to be Yonko threat.
Blackbeard pirates PL didnt change due to Payback war, they proved to be a threat to crush a Yonko crew.

Whitebeard pirates fought against the entireity of what the marines had to offer, managed to make permanent damage to the marines and lost because the marines used dirty tricks... It was a defeat for WBP, but a phyriic victory for the marines as well. Coby's statement is proof of that too.

Payback war was crushing, because Whitebeard wasn't there... there is no replacing a Yonko captain....

B

 

[Ramen]

@hokageji @eefrit @thedude @albertwv

Where would you rank Kong?

 

[hokageji]

@hokageji @eefrit @thedude @albertwv

Where would you rank Kong?

We've seen him one panel, i dont want to rank him....

Although i think Kong is a monkey... Monkey D Kong... nice rhyme to it..

 

[Ramen]

We've seen him one panel, i dont want to rank him....

Although i think Kong is a monkey... Monkey D Kong... nice rhyme to it..

He is the commander in chief. He seems badass though.

Monkey D. Kong >> Monkey D. Luffy namewise.

 

[M3J]

So I took a look at Kiadou's Crew in Wikia...and I'm somewhat incorrect but....

Why are Luffy & Zoro having trouble with Gifters....Or are they fighting unnamed Headliners???


Arent the Gifters...Sheep, Bat, Alpaca, etc
Weaker or around the level of Brooke, Franky, & Chopper....

Probably because they're not trying or really going all out.

The manga itself doesnt consider Whitebeard a swordsman nor the weapon he uses as a sword. That is your headcanon and dont mix it with facts.
Buggy can become a Yonko, it's not a big deal especially after you have been spoonfed after WCI what it means to be a Yonko when Luffy was proclaimed one.

Yonko is not a PL title, it has never been.
WSS on the other hand, is PL title so find a way to deal with facts that come directly from Oda.
Oda doesnt care about BM having better feats, he gave the title to Mihawk. Dont argue against the author, it is silly.

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Color Walk 1, from 2001.
"Three triggers/detonators are gathered."

That doesn't mean a thing.

He did. He calls Shanks a swordsman. He calls Mihawk a swordsman.

He also gave Mihawk the title of the world's strongest swordsman.

It was also never outrightly stated that Denjiro is weaker than Mihawk... So what?

This just means Mihawk is the superior swordsman and would win in a pure sword fight. If the fight can be anything goes, then Shanks likely would win.

 

[Aliocha]

Is Garp the guy with more physical strength in One Piece? The dude crushed 8 mountains just training

and Kizaru is the most fastest?

 

[Ramen]

Is Garp the guy with more physical strength in One Piece? The dude crushed 8 mountains just training

Debatable.

and Kizaru is the most fastest?

Yes.

 

[nik87]

his just means Mihawk is the superior swordsman and would win in a pure sword fight. If the fight can be anything goes, then Shanks likely would win.

There is no such thing as pure sword fight, it is fandom fabrication.
We saw how Rayleigh vs Kizaru went, side abilities arent superior to a sword.

 

[King Moe]

Wait, that guy in FI was the strongest fishman swordsman in the fisham race? Stronger than Sasaki and Jack?

Damn, Hodi had YC level crewmates back then. Who knew.

Imagination can be 'out there', huh xD?

Back to the point on Zoro, yeah I don't see him taking on top tiers by solo if he struggling even in last chapter. Thinking he need to be team-up fight against them being Orochi and his side for when they will fight.

 

[King Moe]

Judge didn't cheat on the aerial fight. He beat sanji in a fair fight there. Read back the chapter before you want to continue this discussion.

Sanji handle him in the fight and Judge knew he would lose and thus asked for his men to be in front of him when he attacks. He cheated in the fight and thus showcase he couldn't beat Sanji in true fight at all.

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Judge did not beat Sanji in a fair fight.!
How can you call judge using hisnsildiers as dispensable shields to block Sanji's attack...a fair fight?

Sanji would have beat judge without the interference and surprise of judge sacraficing his soldiers to get off a hit on Sanji.

I'll be an ass and add some fuel to the Zoro x Sanji fued......Sanji needs to fight already!!..holy cow oda hates Sanji & loves Zoro. Who do we have to pay in Shuihesha to get some Sanji feats.

What love? Zoro been hype tool to oblivion and Sanji got better performance in Wano than him. There is no 'hate' if you thinking that now or past events on characters, but do hope he give fights spotlight to the crew than just Luffy with best fights as I haven't seen much of that since pre-timeskip with them.

 

[Takuan]

You are missing the point, Ichiji and the others are actual people while the Germa 66 soldiers aren't real humans, they are weapons created by Judge.
Why do you think its wrong for Judge to use his own weapons in a fight and think its unfair?

These are not his own weapons. These are exterior help, this is literally an army. You can't possibly scale Judge's power to that of his whole kingdom plus himself. Well unless by power you mean like influence, authority, then sure he has power, i'm talking about actual 1v1 fighting skills, and his army shouldn't be taken into account at all.
I don't even know why you call them their own weapons. His genius allowed these soldiers to be enhanced, cloned, manufactured, then trained, that doesn't mean anything about Judge's combat capabilities. It's like saying Vegapunk's fighting capabilities equals the sum of all Pacifistas created to date. That's ridiculous. These are not Judge's own power.

That doesn't matter if the sibblings are real humans while the soldiers aren't; they got enhanced just like the soldiers were, and they obey Judge just as much as the army. But alright, let's say this is different. That doesn't change a thing of what i said. If Luffy attacks Judge and the ENTIRE Germa army, Luffy loses. Even someone like Mihawk would lose. Does that mean Luffy and Mihawk are both inferior to Judge?

You can't scale that to a 1v1 fight, that isn't a 1v1.

Sentomaru isn't some top tier fighter just because he has the Pacifistas under his command, that says nothing about Sentomaru's own strength.
If Yoda fights Palpatine and suddenly Palpatine's clone army comes by thousands and everyone atatcks Yoda and he dies, you won't say "Palpatine destroyed Yoda with his own power". You cannot have that logic, this is just false.

 

[King Moe]

How would you guys ranked Dragon who is known as 'Most Wanted Man In The World'? By both bounty and power?

I think Dragon is honestly could be strong as the Yonkos or even stronger if he is the 'Most Wanted'. Not say title means something every time, but for his case and how Oda build him, I can see that especially him being son of Garp who was equal to PK and Whitebeard and father of Luffy who be future PK. Pretty sure Dragon could be stronger than we imagined once we see him fight.

His Bounty I think would be 6,000,000,000 Berries to 10,000,000,000 Berries as wouldn't make sense why give him the title for being call 'The Most Wanted In The World' and all, What are your thoughts on his bounty and power?

 

[Ramen]

How would you guys ranked Dragon who is known as 'Most Wanted Man In The World'? By both bounty and power?

I think Dragon is honestly could be strong as the Yonkos or even stronger if he is the 'Most Wanted'. Not say title means something every time, but for his case and how Oda build him, I can see that especially him being son of Garp who was equal to PK and Whitebeard and father of Luffy who be future PK. Pretty sure Dragon could be stronger than we imagined once we see him fight.

His Bounty I think would be 6 Billion to 10 Billion from how I see it.

From what we know, he's probably high admiral to low yonko level.

That bounty would be too high imo. The strongest character as of right now is Kaido who's only above 4 billion.

 

[M3J]

Is Garp the guy with more physical strength in One Piece? The dude crushed 8 mountains just training

and Kizaru is the most fastest?

Seems like Garp is.

There is no such thing as pure sword fight, it is fandom fabrication.
We saw how Rayleigh vs Kizaru went, side abilities arent superior to a sword.

Yawn. Yes there is.

How would you guys ranked Dragon who is known as 'Most Wanted Man In The World'? By both bounty and power?

He's good at getting away
Never had the strongest go after him or fought them
Or he's strong enough to compete with an admiral or emperor, though Blackbeard didn't hesitate to go after the army in Baltigo.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Wait, that guy in FI was the strongest fishman swordsman in the fisham race? Stronger than Sasaki and Jack?

Damn, Hodi had YC level crewmates back then. Who knew.

What? Jack isnt considered here because he uses DF power for his arsenal, same thing possibly can be said for sasaki.

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Don't put it past swordbois hahaha also Pica is YC1 and stronger than all the Flying 6 combined, didn't you know? Mr.1 is also stronger than Crocodile and Kaku was stronger than Lucci

Never said that, nice lie though

 

[Shasha23]

These are not his own weapons. These are exterior help, this is literally an army. You can't possibly scale Judge's power to that of his whole kingdom plus himself. Well unless by power you mean like influence, authority, then sure he has power, i'm talking about actual 1v1 fighting skills, and his army shouldn't be taken into account at all.
I don't even know why you call them their own weapons. His genius allowed these soldiers to be enhanced, cloned, manufactured, then trained, that doesn't mean anything about Judge's combat capabilities. It's like saying Vegapunk's fighting capabilities equals the sum of all Pacifistas created to date. That's ridiculous. These are not Judge's own power.

That doesn't matter if the sibblings are real humans while the soldiers aren't; they got enhanced just like the soldiers were, and they obey Judge just as much as the army. But alright, let's say this is different. That doesn't change a thing of what i said. If Luffy attacks Judge and the ENTIRE Germa army, Luffy loses. Even someone like Mihawk would lose. Does that mean Luffy and Mihawk are both inferior to Judge?

You can't scale that to a 1v1 fight, that isn't a 1v1.

Sentomaru isn't some top tier fighter just because he has the Pacifistas under his command, that says nothing about Sentomaru's own strength.
If Yoda fights Palpatine and suddenly Palpatine's clone army comes by thousands and everyone atatcks Yoda and he dies, you won't say "Palpatine destroyed Yoda with his own power". You cannot have that logic, this is just false.

I guess our view on this is different, Judge's high intellect is what makes him dangerous not his physical power like Sanji.
Him using his created weapons in a fight is the reason he created them in the first place, for me him using the mindless soldiers to help him fight is perfectly fine with me because of it.

Yes if you went to fight Vegapunk and he used his robots to beat you then that is his own strength since that's how he would fight and hope to win, you cant expect everyone to start throwing hands at you because that is fair in a verse were robots and devil fruit exists, losing is losing and only a real loser would try to find excuses in losing.

Besides even if Judge didnt use "wall" he would have still beat Sanji, he had the upper hand the whole fight, and he would have won because he created and exoskeleton suit that increased his power multiple times over allowing him to fight.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Sanji handle him in the fight and Judge knew he would lose and thus asked for his men to be in front of him when he attacks. He cheated in the fight and thus showcase he couldn't beat Sanji in true fight at all.

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What love? Zoro been hype tool to oblivion and Sanji got better performance in Wano than him. There is no 'hate' if you thinking that now or past events on characters, but do hope he give fights spotlight to the crew than just Luffy with best fights as I haven't seen much of that since pre-timeskip with them.

You always make this about zoro.
Anyway, judge beat sanji in the aerial fight fairly. Judge wins.
Whether sanji can win or not in an actual battle is unknown and up to the author, but the fact is that Judge beat sanji in their skirmish

 

[King Moe]

Anyone using the excuse that was fair fight due despite clones appearing and technically were made by him, then have to admit Zoro getting down by Smile Fruit Users within Wano Arc and struggling right now. Since they were made by Caesar himself, so by that logic Caesar can easily beat Zoro in a fight (I mean thinking about his Gas powers, he has possibility to do that the moment of taking away his air).

 

[nik87]

@M3J Wake me up when Oda uses "pure sword fight" term.

 

[M3J]

I don't have to, he's shown it. Mihawk vs. Zoro, I think Zoro vs. Hachi, Vista vs. Mihawk....