Semifinal Reinhard van Astrea vs. Vegeta

[Blakestnight666]

Lambu did say he split the universe in half.

In any case, so? He can wish to be universal or be a forever reviving pest forcing a tie AT BEST for vegeta.

Lol you believe lambu out of all people. That dude wanks things out of universe. He hates db and thus lowballs all it all the times

 

[Sachsenhesse]

No? Vegeta is not a god and he learnt Hakai. Nothing says Gods don't follow universal rules either

Its called Super saiyan god for a reason thou.

 

[Hardy]

Its called Super saiyan god for a reason thou.

Vegeta just got it offscreen so we are not even sure what's the reason.

 

[Nie Li]

Aren't Kaios in Dragon Ball all gods with "god ki" yet they were all weaker than Kid Boo?

"God" in Dragon Ball seems to be just like Thor being a "god" in the MCU.

Hell, even half of Piccolo was "Kami-sama".

 

[Blakestnight666]

Vegeta just got it offscreen so we are not even sure what's the reason.

Does this look like universal to you?!
Puck destroys the world and Reinhard kills him. According to lambu world = Universe but as you can see not even the planets or stars were destroyed. If Reinhard was really universal then there would be at least multiple planet or galaxy level characters in the series

 

[Valhalla]

btw @Blakestnight666 where were you during the Ruphas vs Vegeta fight. You've let your champion, probably the strongest contender in the tournament, take an L like that against Vegeta

 

[Hardy]

Aren't Kaios in Dragon Ball all gods with "god ki" yet they were all weaker than Kid Boo?

"God" in Dragon Ball seems to be just like Thor being a "god" in the MCU.

Hell, even half of Piccolo was "Kami-sama".

Kind of? Gods have their own version of ki (just like how magical power is also its own thing) and most weren't as strong as Buu (though the current ones all are).

He was kami sama in name, wasn't really a god.

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Does this look like universal to you?!
Puck destroys the world and Reinhard kills him. According to lambu world = Universe but as you can see not even the planets or stars were destroyed. If Reinhard was really universal then there would be at least multiple planet or galaxy level characters in the series

What am I even looking at

 

[Blakestnight666]

btw @Blakestnight666 where were you during the Ruphas vs Vegeta fight. You've let your champion, probably the strongest contender in the tournament, take an L like that against Vegeta

I was busy so i couldn't see the thread

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Vegeta just got it offscreen so we are not even sure what's the reason.

We arent sure about many things. As it stands now we dont even are sure what Od Laguna is. A wiki says its a crystal, but lambu said no.

Even so, i still dont get why its not prohibited that a character gets stronger while the tournament progresses, but since its his power why not.

 

[Blakestnight666]

Kind of? Gods have their own version of ki (just like how magical power is also its own thing) and most weren't as strong as Buu (though the current ones all are).

He was kami sama in name, wasn't really a god.

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What am I even looking at

Puck was destroying the world and Reinhard killed him after which he rewinds and fixes the world thus we get Reinhard can destroy the world . Everything that happens are on a planet. There isn't even a star or galsxy level feat in the series.

 

[Valhalla]

I was busy so i couldn't see the thread

Thats a shame. Ruphas was borderline broken, so i would have liked to see her fight against other criminally haxed fighters.

 

[Nie Li]

Kind of? Gods have their own version of ki (just like how magical power is also its own thing) and most weren't as strong as Buu (though the current ones all are).

He was kami sama in name, wasn't really a god.

Yeah, I'm just bringing that up to say that them being called gods doesn't mean they're actual "gods" that are automatically sets them on the same level of hax as the gods from other universes.

I know Kami-sama wasn't really a "god" as the rest of DB's gods but, in the end, it's just a nomenclature for them as well.

 

[Hardy]

Yeah, I'm just bringing that up to say that them being called gods doesn't mean they're actual "gods" that are automatically sets them on the same level of hax as the gods from other universes.

I know Kami-sama wasn't really a "god" as the rest of DB's gods but, in the end, it's just a nomenclature for them as well.

There's also a problem with say, Kaio, whose ki was always visible for Goku, so he shouldn't be a god but he is (?). Great stuff all around.

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Puck was destroying the world and Reinhard killed him after which he rewinds and fixes the world thus we get Reinhard can destroy the world . Everything that happens are on a planet. There isn't even a star or galsxy level feat in the series.

Is it the same in the source material?

 

[Blakestnight666]

There's also a problem with say, Kaio, whose ki was always visible for Goku, so he shouldn't be a god but he is (?). Great stuff all around.

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Is it the same in the source material?

Of course the anime is following the light novel. There isn't any difference

 

[Sachsenhesse]

There's also a problem with say, Kaio, whose ki was always visible for Goku, so he shouldn't be a god but he is (?). Great stuff all around.

Its because of the godlevels. Which are completly bullshit. It was established that SSJGod has the same kind of KI like Beerus, which couldnt be sensed. Thats why i set them on this platform too.

The lower gods are completly screwey no denying that.

 

[Jammin]

Does this look like universal to you?!
Puck destroys the world and Reinhard kills him. According to lambu world = Universe but as you can see not even the planets or stars were destroyed. If Reinhard was really universal then there would be at least multiple planet or galaxy level characters in the series

Looks like I have another thing I need to look up when I can.

I honestly can't even believe it because if this whole time Lambu has been exaggerating what much and nobody called him on it until now.

 

[Hardy]

Its because of the godlevels. Which are completly bullshit. It was established that SSJGod has the same kind of KI like Beerus, which couldnt be sensed. Thats why i set them on this platform too.

The lower gods are completly screwey no denying that.

There's some strong ones like the OG kaio of the south and fat supreme (whose ki WAS seen as godly iirc) so I'm not too sure, I think it's just inconsistent.

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Like, I'm pretty sure Uub has god ki because of the south kaio buu absorbed...

 

[Lambu]

What I don't get is why Lambu kept making fun of things like HAHA BROLLY HAS MAXIMUM POWER but then he nominated "It's Erza" with infinite genie lamps '-'

Theres a big difference on the arguments behind the character. Reinhard is op, and is designed to be op on purpose. He's hax incarnate and he's like that in order to counter the other insane stuff of his own universe.

On the other hand, DragonBall arguments are a No Limit Fallacy, disregarding anything else other than its own universe powers.

- Your character's light speed fast and can keep rising beyond that? Nah Vegeta is 1000 times faster than light, he speedblitz ez (lol).
- Your character can destroy his universe? Nah a DB planet is greater than the entire Universe of your series, Vegeta stomps.
- Your character has protection against any physical/energetic attacks? Nah, DB character will just shit on it through power alone.

This is why its impossible to debate with DragonBall fanatics, they glorify the series to no end and wont listen to arguments except their own.
I've answered 4 times to @Sachsenhesse on the topic of why Hakai doesnt work but he keeps ignoring me. Why? Because he doesn't care about debating, just making his pov go through.

This is also why Im not a fan of Dragonball making it this far, the discussion becomes terrible: scaling, assumption of limit breaking moments (like FT), etc.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

I've answered 4 times to @Sachsenhesse on the topic of why Hakai doesnt work but he keeps ignoring me. Why? Because he doesn't care about debating, just making his pov go through.

Thats not ignoring you, thats called having different stands. I strongly believe with the newest explanation of hakai erasing one without a trace, even his soul, reinhard cant counter it.We both will not move our point of view thou. Atleast i dont believe it.

 

[Hardy]

Theres a big difference on the arguments behind the character. Reinhard is op, and is designed to be op on purpose. He's hax incarnate and he's like that in order to counter the other insane stuff of his own universe.

On the other hand, DragonBall arguments are a No Limit Fallacy, disregarding anything else other than its own universe powers.

- Your character's light speed fast and can keep rising beyond that? Nah Vegeta is 1000 times faster than light, he speedblitz ez (lol).
- Your character can destroy his universe? Nah a DB planet is greater than the entire Universe of your series, Vegeta stomps.
- Your character has protection against any physical/energetic attacks? Nah, DB character will just shit on it through power alone.

This is why its impossible to debate with DragonBall fanatics, they glorify the series to no end and wont listen to arguments except their own.
I've answered 4 times to @Sachsenhesse on the topic of why Hakai doesnt work but he keeps ignoring me. Why? Because he doesn't care about debating, just making his pov go through.

This is also why Im not a fan of Dragonball making it this far, the discussion becomes terrible: scaling, assumption of limit breaking moments (like FT), etc.

I fail to understand how "hax incarnate" any better or less limited than that fallacy.