I'm somewhat disappointed about the lack of decent fighting scenes featuring Sanji, but I trust Oda that he does such things with good intentions in mind. Like saving cool moves for later.
I hope that Oda shows us clearly how the fight ended in the next chapter. Via a flashback preferably. Even though I'm 99% positive it was a definite undeniable win for Sanji.
Now all I'm hoping for is black armament haki... I know I've said this before but I just can't bare the thought that Sanji ain't got no black armament...
Pretty sure he did that to show RS later on in full glory. Think of the fight Luffy vs Blueno when Luffy was going to use Gear 3rd, but got stop and later off-screen before showing it later in Lucci fight. Don't worry, he show more moments to Sanji as the arc goes on.
Probably be flashback or Drake and Hawkins showing what happened to Page One as they arrive to see him.
Possibly to happen later on as he still need Haki in the long run in the NW for sure.
Are you saying his crew helped him take that attack to the head? Why are you denying this feat?
Are you saying he didnt tank Sengoku's shochwave who was fresh and that he pushed back fresh Sengoku? How can you deny this?
Not a feat on him getting it or using it since we know how him and his crew defeated Whitebeard and they cover up how he did it. You never know as who to stay he and his crew didn't force themselves in fighting others as I would presume they did as we can't say if they fought anyone or not.
How you know? Shanks didn't detail the fight nor was it shown as for all we know, he could have wait full power and Blackbeard still got the best of him. Could be more to it then meets the eye (no-pun intended) as seeing how powerful Shanks Haki all around, it's surprising he got hurt at all. One time he let himself be hurt is through Luffy while in water, but for someone like Blackbeard whether weak or not, Shanks wouldn't be that careless on letting someone hurt him that much.
Dragon is the "Most Wanted In The World" and Revolutionaries are no joke either....Are you serious? Don't even try to discard that as a feat as for them to be to force out from their home, says something about BB and his power more nowadays.
They gain nothing from fighting BB back then, they simply retreated. There is no evidence for this but there is no evidence for a fight either. We dont know if they fought at all so it's irrelevant.
Because Sanji has history for one with Okamas. It's not farfetched and plus it been stated on reasons why they would face as well reasons him taking on King as well. You seen Youtube, Reddit, and other websites on discussion on either one give hints he could face them.
History with Okamas is portrayal, it has nothing to do with combat feats. I suggest you check what feat means. Based on what abilities and powers are you placing Sanji against Queen? What does he have to beat Queen?
History with Okamas is portrayal, it has nothing to do with combat feats. I suggest you check what feat means. Based on what abilities and powers are you placing Sanji against Queen? What does he have to beat Queen?
With all due respect but haven't we seen plenty of unexpected power-ups in the story already? Take CP9 for example. Who would have expected Asura or Diable Jambe from Zoro and Sanji respectively?
I would even argue that Luffy didn't have what it takes to win against a Yonko crew top commander but through sheer willpower he managed to come out on top.
Not saying that Sanji would pull something like this in a serious fight but it is obvious that when the right time comes SHs just 'magically' become stronger.
Luffy and Zoro were unable to fight on par with CP9 members at first but the very next day they are suddenly on the same level if not stronger.
It's only logical to conclude that IF Sanji can handle the second strongest group with a relative ease then he can probably go one step further and stand his ground even against a YC.
As to how strong PO was exactly we have no idea. He could have been the weakest of the bunch. So had Sanji faced say Drake the outcome could have been very different. So I personally would rather not rush with theories on the final match-ups. Sanji could very well end up fighting Jack or Drake.
But it's absolutely in the realm of possibility that Sanji takes on a commander.
I would still like to see at least some sort of training for him and the rest of the crew. It'd be great to have a haki specialist like Rayleigh to have him help SHs improve their haki.
With all due respect but haven't we seen plenty of unexpected power-ups in the story already? Take CP9 for example. Who would have expected Asura or Diable Jambe from Zoro and Sanji respectively?
I would even argue that Luffy didn't have what it takes to win against a Yonko crew top commander but through sheer willpower he managed to come out on top.
Not saying that Sanji would pull something like this in a serious fight but it is obvious that when the right time comes SHs just 'magically' become stronger.
Luffy and Zoro were unable to fight on par with CP9 members at first but the very next day they are suddenly on the same level if not stronger.
It's only logical to conclude that IF Sanji can handle the second strongest group with a relative ease then he can probably go one step further and stand his ground even against a YC.
As to how strong PO was exactly we have no idea. He could have been the weakest of the bunch. So had Sanji faced say Drake the outcome could have been very different. So I personally would rather not rush with theories on the final match-ups. Sanji could very well end up fighting Jack or Drake.
But it's absolutely in the realm of possibility that Sanji takes on a commander.
I would still like to see at least some sort of training for him and the rest of the crew. It'd be great to have a haki specialist like Rayleigh to have him help SHs improve their haki.
I agree with you on most points, but doubt Page One was weak or weakest as he seem to be a legit top guy for sure, so Sanji beating him putting him over Top 6 for sure and for YC lvl in his future.
They could train till the Festival and prepare as 9 years till then. Pretty sure Strawhats train off-screen when Enies Lobby start to get their new power-ups, so anything can happen on what they can reveal especially we never once seen Sanji in 100% in a fight, so with that in mind as well with RS, his potential has skyrocketed even more than before that's for sure.
Are you saying his crew helped him take that attack to the head? Why are you denying this feat?
Are you saying he didnt tank Sengoku's shochwave who was fresh and that he pushed back fresh Sengoku? How can you deny this?
Yeah and in the next panels he is smiling without a bruise left.
The pattern is not the same. Both Blackbeard and Ace are heavily injured while Sanji and P1 arent injured at all. Prove me wrong.
Drawn out fight on Whitebeards ship? Moe you are nutz mate.
We have plenty of feats on both sides in BB vs Ace fight. Prove me wrong.
Completely irrelevant for actual combat or are you suggesting he can do that in the middle of the fight?
I know because Shanks said it himself. Blackbeard is legit powerful, he was just hiding it.
They gain nothing from fighting BB back then, they simply retreated. There is no evidence for this but there is no evidence for a fight either. We dont know if they fought at all so it's irrelevant.
Plenty on-screen feats from Ace vs BB and in Marineford, we actually saw him fighting. Are you denying those feats or what?
History with Okamas is portrayal, it has nothing to do with combat feats. I suggest you check what feat means. Based on what abilities and powers are you placing Sanji against Queen? What does he have to beat Queen?
I can't accept it when after he was hurt, he beg for his life. Didn't you see that? I am not putting over or even close if he beg after getting hurt by Whitebeard when he was heavily injured easily. His crew help him defeat him together. Didn't you see how they attack him? That's not a feat at all. Sengoku is maybe as again no full-fight so unknown how much longer he could have last especially Garp was going to attack him too.
Yeah, Sanji. Again it's similar to BB vs Ace, we never saw the official 'final blow' but again it was heavily hinted Ace probably die or got defeated, it was proven later in the Impel Down Arc where it stated he was defeated. So same thing for this as I wouldn't be surprise in next chapter or few, Page One is shown defeated in same manner. Oda does this before, so it's not the first time.
He was taking damage as you look at screaming. He wasn't going to last long. If you want no damage, look at Sanji vs Kuma pre-timeskip (Though tired from fighting Oars for awhile), that's no damage. Page was getting smack around and screaming in pain like crazy.
Fights happen all the time in pirate ships especially Whitebeard as Ace did try to kill Whitebeard a bunch of times. They probably see it as normal, so full fight could happen before they realize how 'dangerous' BB was in the end. Especially this took place without them knowing until later on finding Thatch's body.
Are you saying they didn't try to take territories by force and not fight anyone? They took Dragon's area, so saying there was 'no fighting' is impossible to say.
Still, Shanks didn't went easy on the guy who took Luffy and was ready to hurt him, so I don't think he be that 'lax' and let himself get that hurt especially he is quick to sense it with Haki. So that means BB is quite dangerous judging by off-screen feats on what he did more than on-screen.
In the newspaper they said they clash, so there were fighting as I doubt they give up that easily over it. Doubt they simply retreated the moment they saw them.
Nope, looking at that and seeing other characters, if we counting on-screen alone, he doesn't apply much and I don't use War feats as he came in a war where everyone was tired and hurt, that's not feat, that easy pickings. He also lost to Magellen prior before heading to the War, so Idk what you mean he has 'more' feats on-screen. If he was at the war at the start, then I can agree about it. Again, more off-screen moments than on-screen to show how powerful he is.
Like Pea said, We never seen Sanji 100%, so safe to say he can pull out something that we don't know as well combine with RS. They have 9 days, so learning something new is possible for him to face off with Queen or King in the end. Also have NW feats building up with latest on beating PO easily, so that major feat no matter off-screen or on-screen, that stays with him or do you want to be hypocritical about it as you are with BB on letting his off-screen moments go? You can be at both sides, pick one on where your staying at.
As to how strong PO was exactly we have no idea. He could have been the weakest of the bunch. So had Sanji faced say Drake the outcome could have been very different. So I personally would rather not rush with theories on the final match-ups. Sanji could very well end up fighting Jack or Drake.
But it's absolutely in the realm of possibility that Sanji takes on a commander.
I would still like to see at least some sort of training for him and the rest of the crew. It'd be great to have a haki specialist like Rayleigh to have him help SHs improve their haki.
With all due respect but haven't we seen plenty of unexpected power-ups in the story already? Take CP9 for example. Who would have expected Asura or Diable Jambe from Zoro and Sanji respectively?
I would even argue that Luffy didn't have what it takes to win against a Yonko crew top commander but through sheer willpower he managed to come out on top.
Not saying that Sanji would pull something like this in a serious fight but it is obvious that when the right time comes SHs just 'magically' become stronger.
Luffy and Zoro were unable to fight on par with CP9 members at first but the very next day they are suddenly on the same level if not stronger.
It's only logical to conclude that IF Sanji can handle the second strongest group with a relative ease then he can probably go one step further and stand his ground even against a YC.
The problem is that commanders gave trouble even to Luffy, completely outmatched against Cracker unable to find a solution. Against Katakuri the fight was one-sided from the start till the end and finished in a draw.
Now, since Sanji is weaker than Luffy and is fighting Zoans whose strength is even higher since thats what their DF's do I cant see Sanji going from struggling against relatively weaker characters to beating the best tier of fighters under the top tier. Fight against P1 was supposed to be a bridge between those tiers and imo it would be very hard for Sanji to beat such opponent if he is equal to Drake.
What does begging for his life have to do with a feat of taking a hit to the head? How does begging for his life negate the feat of tanking that attack?
He was taking damage as you look at screaming. He wasn't going to last long. If you want no damage, look at Sanji vs Kuma pre-timeskip (Though tired from fighting Oars for awhile), that's no damage. Page was getting smack around and screaming in pain like crazy.
Fights happen all the time in pirate ships especially Whitebeard as Ace did try to kill Whitebeard a bunch of times. They probably see it as normal, so full fight could happen before they realize how 'dangerous' BB was in the end. Especially this took place without them knowing until later on finding Thatch's body.
Are you saying they didn't try to take territories by force and not fight anyone? They took Dragon's area, so saying there was 'no fighting' is impossible to say.
Still, Shanks didn't went easy on the guy who took Luffy and was ready to hurt him, so I don't think he be that 'lax' and let himself get that hurt especially he is quick to sense it with Haki. So that means BB is quite dangerous judging by off-screen feats on what he did more than on-screen.
In the newspaper they said they clash, so there were fighting as I doubt they give up that easily over it. Doubt they simply retreated the moment they saw them.
Nope, looking at that and seeing other characters, if we counting on-screen alone, he doesn't apply much and I don't use War feats as he came in a war where everyone was tired and hurt, that's not feat, that easy pickings. He also lost to Magellen prior before heading to the War, so Idk what you mean he has 'more' feats on-screen. If he was at the war at the start, then I can agree about it. Again, more off-screen moments than on-screen to show how powerful he is.
Like Pea said, We never seen Sanji 100%, so safe to say he can pull out something that we don't know as well combine with RS. They have 9 days, so learning something new is possible for him to face off with Queen or King in the end. Also have NW feats building up with latest on beating PO easily, so that major feat no matter off-screen or on-screen, that stays with him or do you want to be hypocritical about it as you are with BB on letting his off-screen moments go? You can be at both sides, pick one on where your staying at.
Neither did we see P1 at 100%. He couldnt get strong enough with 2 years but with 9 days he will? Sure, Moe-kun. You dont actually have any confirmation that P1 was defeated so stick with the facts. For BB we know that he defeated Ace, for Sanji and P1 we have no confirmation so dont confuse things.
Exactly, you have a point. We dont know how strong P1 is and how the fight actually ended. I am waiting to actually see some facts.
The problem is that commanders gave trouble even to Luffy, completely outmatched against Cracker unable to find a solution. Against Katakuri the fight was one-sided from the start till the end and finished in a draw.
Now, since Sanji is weaker than Luffy and is fighting Zoans whose strength is even higher since thats what their DF's do I cant see Sanji going from struggling against relatively weaker characters to beating the best tier of fighters under the top tier. Fight against P1 was supposed to be a bridge between those tiers and imo it would be very hard for Sanji to beat such opponent if he is equal to Drake.
I thought about this too. But Sanji struggled breaking Blueno's tekkai too at first and then he fights a dude whose douriki is more than double of what Blueno had plus the Zoan transformation that further strengthened him.
We had ten years of One Piece manga at that point to hint at Sanji's potential power-up but no foreshadowing whatsoever he just got stronger. We were sure at that point that we knew Sanji's 100% but Oda still decided to introduce this new power-up that we had not anticipated.
I thought about this too. But Sanji struggled breaking Blueno's tekkai too at first and then he fights a dude whose douriki is more than double of what Blueno had plus the Zoan transformation that further strengthened him.
We had ten years of One Piece manga at that point to hint at Sanji's potential power-up but no foreshadowing whatsoever he just got stronger. We were sure at that point that we knew Sanji's 100% but Oda still decided to introduce this new power-up that we had not anticipated.
Don't think he ever went 100% without RS. Still more potential he has and can evolve as well having RS on him, but it be temporary for bit as he grows out of it more.
Don't think he ever went 100% without RS. Still more potential he has and can evolve as well having RS on him, but it be temporary for bit as he grows out of it more.
Well whether he ever went all out or not is up to debate. He could still have some tricks up his sleeve (which I believe he has) but as long as Sanji decides to not use his full power without the suit we can't really measure his true strength, right?
But I'm pretty positive that rather sooner than later Sanji will catch up with top tier level fighters like Jack, maybe Queen.
This arc is set up to beat Marineford in its intensity and scale of things. Looking at all the participants it is very likely that power-levels will skyrocket for the SH crew. Otherwise they'll end up as small fries in the grand scheme of things.
Again, it's not necessarily that they will succeed in the first round, but the second round should lead to their victory. Imo.
This arc is set up to beat Marineford in its intensity and scale of things. Looking at all the participants it is very likely that power-levels will skyrocket for the SH crew. Otherwise they'll end up as small fries in the grand scheme of things.
I am still expecting 2vs1 when it comes to commanders. The number of allies present is so much higher than the number of enemies, that's why I am doubting in 1vs1 when it comes to top tiers, unless all combatants from Big Mom's side oppose the allied forces as well and that may require 1vs1's.
I am still expecting 2vs1 when it comes to commanders. The number of allies present is so much higher than the number of enemies, that's why I am doubting in 1vs1 when it comes to top tiers, unless all combatants from Big Mom's side oppose the allied forces as well and that may require 1vs1's.
Pretty sure Yonko lvl as comparing Roger's Crew to Luffy's Crew, he be one of Luffy's Commanders as well the few to have Conqueror's Haki as he has the traits for it. Plus giving his rivalry with Zoro, I doubt he wants to behind someone like him, so would keep getting strong and be rival. They probably be Mihawk and Shanks of their Era with their continue duels while ending in a tie lol.
Pretty sure Yonko lvl as comparing Roger's Crew to Luffy's Crew, he be one of Luffy's Commanders as well the few to have Conqueror's Haki as he has the traits for it. Plus giving his rivalry with Zoro, I doubt he wants to behind someone like him, so would keep getting strong and be rival. They probably be Mihawk and Shanks of their Era with their continue duels while ending in a tie lol.
I wouldn't say he hates any of his characters, but with all these new characters that are popping up like crazy and all the plot lines he kinda drove himself into a corner as there is barely a good chance for him to write good fights without hindering the plot development drastically now...
There is still a difference between writing a good fight and ending him in the middle without real conclusion. Just a panel of a defeatet P1 would have added so much more, its ridiculous.
I know I've said this before but I just can't bare the thought that Sanji ain't got no black armament...
