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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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for shilew of the rain

given shiryu was a warden of impel down which is based off hell and how sanji is based on a satan /lucifer (the satan who was once lucifer ) (https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/sanji-represents-satan.3006704/
and has a hell motif himself it would be fitting for sanji to face shiryuu (along with the fact that the invisible fruit was the df sanji wanted and part of his anger absalom was because of that. so it would be a funny call back for sanji to end up fighting shilew of the rain who know has the suke suke no mis power which he calls a wonderful/useful ability depending whether you use mangastream or jaiminisbox translations

or catarina devon

catarina was recently revealed to have eaten the mythical nine tailed kitsune (kyuubi fruit )



and sanji


sanji was originally going to be named naruto but naruto in the manga naruto had the nine tailed fox sealed inside him

oda and the writer of naruto are friends and oda had done shoutouts to naruto before with raizo along with this




so it would be a fitting reference for sanji to beat catarina devon

and for why sanji would break his code of not hitting a woman

catarina devon hunts for women she finds beautiful and decapitates their heads to add them to her personal collection she declares this a pursuit of beauty

and nami is a very beautiful woman


so sanji will break his rule for namis sake which is fitting for the first time sanji showed he had this rule nami confronted him on it and had to fight kalifa in her place.



and nine tails fox are tricksters who one of their abilities allow them to take human form typically beautiful women . and catarinas kyuubi powers allows her to cast illusions which reminds me of what mr.2 can do and mr.2 performed a trick in his fight against sanji where he turned into nami repeatedly to avoid getting hit but he had to turn back when he attacked because he needed to use the body he trained in. however catarina devon with her illusions could take the form of a nami and attack and in order to protect nami sanji will have to over come that and be willing to strike someone with namis visage.
of course I made a theory on nami fighting catarina devon but consider this an alternative to the idea
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/nami-will-fight-catarina-devon.3012140/

well consider this an alternative to the idea and that instead of facing catarina nami will fight lafitte who is the navigator of the blackbeard pirates lafitte was once a sheriff nami is/was a thief lafitte´s nickname was the demon sheriff so the demon sheriff vs the cat burglar

on sanji vs avalo pizarro and zoro vs shilew
. It is no coincidence that Pizarro was a king of a county in the North Blue and Sanji’s family once ruled the entirety of the North Blue.


Also I am sure that Pizarro being someone who was a king of the North Blue is well aware of the Vinsmokes and Sanji’s bounty poster does say Vinsmoke, his ancestors may have been the one’s who overthrew the original Vinsmokes. Also Pizarro’s avarice type nature could mean that he in fact has the Diamond Diamond Fruit now, and diamond has a high resistance to fire. plus there are alot of times where sanji faces an opponent with a strong defense

Shilliew having the Clear Clear Fruit is setting up Zoro being challenged by him because Zoro’s natural affinity isn’t towards CoO it is towards CoA so he will need to improve this aspect of his power. As Haki blooms in the heat of battle, so Zoro’s CoO will increase because he will need to cut an Invisible Man. shilew is zoros opposite for zoro is an honorable man in contrast to shilew . and the minks showed the ability to hide their presence from luffys observation haki so its possible to hide your presence from someone using observation haki

tekking101 went into detail about what could be done with the fruit



Same with Sanji, he needs to fight an opponent who is unnaturally durable to improve his chances of increasing his CoA which isn’t the Haki he gravitates to naturally. Makes perfect sense for the Diamond Diamond Fruit to push Sanji’s CoA to evolve.

I mean Sanji, he is known for dodging and parrying but it would be good if he fought a fruit that naturally countered his affinity to CoO i.e. some type of hardening fruit and we all know the best hardening fruit is the Diamond Diamond Fruit.

and sanji had a habit of facing off against opponents with high defensive capabilities/defensive oriented fighters (or martial artists) like pearl, jabura Tekkai Kenpo, a technique which allows him to move while using Tekkai, and throw powerful punches at his enemies while maintaining his defense, wanze with his ramen kenpo, and absalom with his modified body they all boasted of his awesomeness of their defensive capability but sanji broke through, and I am sure that oda would want his martial artist crew to become the ultimate defensive breaker in crew

Diamonds are naturally the hardest thing around, and are good conductors for heat but are also very resilient to high heat , it can take a lot of heat which sanji uses so sanji will have to bring his heat up to the next level

Sanji developed Diable Jamble to penetrate the defenses of CP9’s Tekkai. I think facing an enemy who has such a formidable defense that needs piercing with an even higher heat, pushes Sanji to new levels and he could thus improve Diable Jamble even more then. Devil Leg Sanji, the man with kicks as hot as the flames of hell.

maybe sanji will end up learning hasshoken which will help in breaking defenses and armor

and may help with his fire
https://mangahelpers.com/forum/threads/sanji-will-learn-hasshoken.3012138/
 

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nice try sanji fans.....
sanji was getting his legs broken against vergo
he would be in a wheelchair if he tried to fight a calamity :m3j
 

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sanji is hype fodder , but at least not as bad as what smoker has been had since timeskip :epicfacepalm
 

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sanji is hype fodder , but at least not as bad as what smoker has been had since timeskip :epicfacepalm
Nah really. He take down his share of fighters and if you think he done that in WCI and at Wano, your biased really strong, well Woro is in your name after all lol.

Smoker wasn't really, but understand his performance in Punk Hazard. Pretty sure he get more chance to shine in this arc and future.

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That may be true but who do you think such videos attract? Mostly Sanji's fanbase, because they want to watch such content and feedback on such videos is always supportive. As I said, you will barely find any opposition to such ideas, no matter what they speak of.


I dont think that Sanji is weak, on the contrary, but Oda made him look so bad during WCI and ever since they left Sabaody. In fact, no Strawhat member had a good fight in New World except for Luffy.


It doesnt work like that. You think that those YouTubers who have 3000 likes on Youtube would have 3000 likes here on MangaHelpers? Has any post ever in the history of MangaHelpers had 3000 likes? Do you understand what i mean? You cant compare the likes from different platforms.



Yeah, my bad, i didnt read the posts before so wasnt sure what you discussed and thats why i started with "If", my bad.
Can you name those YouTubers that you watch? I can tell you which YouTubers seem as fair critics to me. The most realistic and fair critic imo is Sawyer7mage and his chapter reviews are quite decent. BlackLeg Vinsmoke has some interesting theories, KingofLightning has entertaining live reactions and from what i saw he can guess some power levels right but hes so much off in some. All of them sometimes get things wrong, obvious things that already happened so no matter how much famous they are and how many likes they collect you have to take what they say with a grain of salt and do your own research.
If you want a fair criticism regarding Zoro and Sanji having CoC then watch Sawyer7mage's video about it, explains it better than me and you value YouTubers' opinions more anyway.
You already know my comment to this. Mods delete it though despite it wasn't one of my offensive posts though. Again stop undermining Sanji and it is showing him as equal to Zoro along withgetting strong. With King and Queen appearance and relationship, Oda justify more on these guys on same lvl.
 
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sanji is hype fodder , but at least not as bad as what smoker has been had since timeskip :epicfacepalm
More like Sanji is trying to be the One Piece equivalent of Vegeta, but unlike Vegeboy, Sanji is used to hype up underlings of the boss Luffy beats lol
 

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Nah really. He take down his share of fighters and if you think he done that in WCI and at Wano, your biased really strong,

Smoker wasn't really, but understand his performance in Punk Hazard. Pretty sure he get more chance to shine in this arc and future.

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share of fighters lol you mean those fodder BMP pirates and that sheephead headliner?

well Woro is in your name after all lol.
what's the issue with my username? This is just common username.

You already know my comment to this. Mods delete it though despite it wasn't one of my offensive posts though. Again stop undermining Sanji and it is showing him as equal to Zoro along withgetting strong. With King and Queen appearance and relationship, Oda justify more on these guys on same lvl.
come back here to defend sanji after he has stopped breaking his legs against vergo lol
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More like Sanji is trying to be the One Piece equivalent of Vegeta, but unlike Vegeboy, Sanji is used to hype up underlings of the boss Luffy beats lol
i think sanji would use his raid suit to defeat holdem
 
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More like Sanji is trying to be the One Piece equivalent of Vegeta, but unlike Vegeboy, Sanji is used to hype up underlings of the boss Luffy beats lol
Same as Zoro too as he can beat Luffy opponents dude lol. You guys overhype him too much. Also Vegeta always lose to main villain and Goku beats him. What you mean?
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share of fighters lol you mean those fodder BMP pirates and that sheephead headliner?


what's the issue with my username? This is just reguler username.



come back here to defend sanji after he has stopped breaking his legs against vergo lol
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i think sanji would use his raid suit to defeat holdem
None were fodder dude. Sanji beat their ass hard. He stronger than you think. Bobbin even had 100 million + bounty to boot and Sanji knock him down with ease.

"Woro"....Dude your on Ws and Ls people. Stop lying and trying to hide your biased.

Sanji you mean who just came back to his body before facing him as well you foget he kept fighting with same leg and ran with it. He even knock away Vergo and made him bleed from his kicks. What broken bones your speaking lol? Come back when your serious with your facts and explain how Usopp and Harjudan won their fights with broken bones.

Also come back to me when Zoro know what to do with nails by Hawkins since even with Haki, he failed miserably despite being trained by the WORLD'S greatest swordsman, Mihawk.

Sanji already beaten Sheephead. He above Headliner. Zoro failed to beat Hawkins though. He need his full power to beat Holdem. Nice try lol.
 

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sanji is hype fodder , but at least not as bad as what smoker has been had since timeskip :epicfacepalm
How is he fodder when he hasn't even lost a fight clean, from what I recall?

I love how people forget Sanij was still running, moving, and fighting like that fight never happened or that his body wasn't absolutely battered.
 

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Also come back to me when Zoro know what to do with nails by Hawkins since even with Haki, he failed miserably despite being trained by the WORLD'S greatest swordsman, Mihawk.
Why are we talking about zoro though? Nice attempt, zoro haters.
What's the issue with nails..... law needs to escape from one shot of the nail , while zoro tanked lots of nails and even managed to destroy that giant straw. (and killing one of hawkins life). Sanji would be dead from those nails :teehee.

"Woro"....Dude your on Ws and Ls people. Stop lying and trying to hide your biased.
why? Woro is the gimmick laugh of kaidou (read back the chapter of 924). You failed.


Sanji you mean who just came back to his body before facing him as well you foget he kept fighting with same leg and ran with it. He even knock away Vergo and made him bleed from his kicks. What broken bones your speaking lol? Come back when your serious with your facts and explain how Usopp and Harjudan won their fights with broken bones.
What broken bones your speaking lol? Come back when your serious with your facts and explain how Usopp and Harjudan won their fights with broken bones.
he broke his legs when vergo decided to go serious. He even mentioned post-fight that if he fought vergo any longer , it will go bad for him...
Seemed like you are the one who needs to be serious with facts......
that's because harjudan > sanji. Usopp has helps from chopper too.


Sanji already beaten Sheephead. He above Headliner. Zoro failed to beat Hawkins though. He need his full power to beat Holdem. Nice try lol.
beating headliner doesn't mean anything. Luffy even beat a headliner while he was handcuffed with seachains.
Not to mention that sanji failed to beat the executives from doflamingo crew while zoro did. Executives have better feats than headliner since executives were wrecking dressrosa country.
Another L for sanji fandom.
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How is he fodder when he hasn't even lost a fight clean, from what I recall?
doflamingo said hi
 

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Why are we talking about zoro though? Nice attempt, zoro haters.
What's the issue with nails..... law needs to escape from one shot of the nail , while zoro tanked lots of nails and even managed to destroy that giant straw. (and killing one of hawkins life). Sanji would be dead from those nails :teehee.


why? Woro is the gimmick laugh of kaidou (read back the chapter of 924). You failed.





he broke his legs when vergo decided to go serious. He even mentioned post-fight that if he fought vergo any longer , it will go bad for him...
Seemed like you are the one who needs to be serious with facts......
that's because harjudan > sanji. Usopp has helps from chopper too.




beating headliner doesn't mean anything. Luffy even beat a headliner while he was handcuffed with seachains.
Not to mention that sanji failed to beat the executives from doflamingo crew while zoro did. Executives have better feats than headliner since executives were wrecking dressrosa country.
Another L for sanji fandom.
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....Dude, you know Law is a DF user, right? That nail was made of seastone, it makes Law unable to use his powers and such. You can't compare regular nails to Seastone nails when this was more aim to hit Law's weakness compare to Zoro lol. Get your facts straight before trying to place on characters to make Zoro look good which you fail again. What does it matter him cutting out his life? He can always make more? Hawkins is a tank, he stand there and don't mind getting hit. Law face him and stand there to be hit. It's what he does, nothing special in Zoro doing what he did when his ass is the only one left bleeding which he needed medical treatment unlike Sanji who power through getting shot at with real bullets at WCI before Chopper pointed out, not nails. Lol take your biased to somewhere else if you can't be fair XD.

So your name is Grandmaster Laughter? That literally make no sense and Grandmaster is weird when that align to swordsman titles. Nice try, you fail to convince again xD.

Just because he said it get tougher, doesn't mean he lose. Luffy said that about Katakuri and look what happened. He still won the fight in the end. Your judging more by words than appearances which we see Sanji still kept fighting until Vergo himself left cause he knew he couldn't even try to finished him to do what he needed, so he escape by seeing Sanji as a threat. Again your broke bones mean nothing if Usopp and Harjudan won their fights with even worse broken bones. Now it's different for Sanji's case? Please, reread/rewatch as you need more based facts man. Also stop with the troll on Harjudan and not really, Usopp continue fighting after getting hit. Chopper didn't help him until the fight was over. Again, your baseless on facts dude.

You do realize Sanji wasn't there in Dressrosa, right? How you know he won't do anything to them and he is capable of taking them down if he was there. He hold his own with Daifuku and Oven who are much tougher than a Warlord's underlings, so your argument is again baseless on what he can do and didn't Zoro needed help for beating Pica? Last time I check he ask for help to help him capture Pica and get rid of him and that wasn't even a front up fight, just hide and seek lol. Don't compare Pica same lvl to Sanji's opponents when the man couldn't even cut Doflamingo's Birdcage XD. You just prove my point there by saying "L". Dude if your not going to be on the facts and be baseless, just leave cause people won't tolerate that hear as you think if you come with your "Ws and Ls" here.

Law and Zoro couldn't even beat him either as again, Zoro couldn't cut his Birdcage. There is no shame for any of them losing to someone as strong as him when he is not. You act like Doflamingo is a fodder and everyone can beat him. How is that any bad to them losing and you think they (Well except Zoro as you kiss the earth he walk on and don't mention his flaws) won't get stronger or learn from fights? What are you saying, man?
 

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nice try sanji fans.....
sanji was getting his legs broken against vergo
he would be in a wheelchair if he tried to fight a calamity :m3j
Dude the leg thing is old and since when broken bones mean anything in OP? You need to read back on fights and be more worried for Zoro getting nailed by Hawkins to think he can do anything to them plz.
 

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Dude the leg thing is old and since when broken bones mean anything in OP? You need to read back on fights and be more worried for Zoro getting nailed by Hawkins to think he can do anything to them plz.
Isn't this the very definition of a double standard?
Broken leg thing means nothing but nails mean something? :epicfacepalm
 

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Isn't this the very definition of a double standard?
Broken leg thing means nothing but nails mean something? :epicfacepalm
Well nothing was holding Zoro back in deflecting unlike Sanji who just came back onto his body due to Nami using it.

You can't denied Sanji had handicap more than Zoro in their circumstances.
 

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Isn't this the very definition of a double standard?
Broken leg thing means nothing but nails mean something? :epicfacepalm
well said sir :gent

Dude the leg thing is old and since when broken bones mean anything in OP? You need to read back on fights and be more worried for Zoro getting nailed by Hawkins to think he can do anything to them plz.
it kinda means something when his legs are his main features for combat.
 

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You mean someone who at that point was probably the toughest arc opponent Luffy has faced who had little problem dealing with Luffy until he used Gear 4? Same someone who'd have likely beaten Luffy, and someone who had to bind Sanji and make him unable to move, who also complimented Sanji? If Luffy couldn't expand with haki, he wouldn't have broken out of the strings and likely would have died after his haki came back.
 

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well said sir :gent


it kinda means something when his legs are his main features for combat.
Said legs kept moving and hitting Vergo until he choose to leave. You act like Sanji was holding his leg and left when the guy is one the most durable fighter in the series. Also Usopp fights with his brain and yet 4-ton bat fractured his skull and yet still use it in a fight to the end.

Again your argument doesn't mean much.
 

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Said legs kept moving and hitting Vergo until he choose to leave. You act like Sanji was holding his leg and left when .
yeah sanji got lucky that he could still his move his legs because the fight got interrupted. Just like sanji said, if the fight continues , it would have gone bad for him :derp
and vergo wasn't using all his power yet. We all know 100% vergo when his full body is coated with hardened haki.

the guy is one the most durable fighter in the series
proof?

Also like how you couldn't give any reply for the biased double standard you have between zoro and sanji. King Moe = sanji fanboy confirmed.
 

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Your not fooling anyone lol
 
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