Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Eiyuu Yami]

I think Strawhats power ranking is currently like this:
Zoro>Luffy>Jinbe>Franky>Sanji>Chopper>Brook>Robin>Carrot>Nami>Usopp
On the other hand maybe Chopper's abilities are putting him ahead of Sanji as well but if we look realistically who isnt better than Sanji... Maybe only Usopp.

It's more like this.

• Luffy
• Zoro
• Sanji
• Jinbei
• Huge gap
• Franky
• Brook
• Robin
• Chopper
• Nami
• Usopp

 

[nik87]

@Eiyuu Yami I stand by my ranking.

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

@Eiyuu Yami I stand by my ranking.

How can you have franky above Sanji...dude...

You also think chopper is above Sanji.. pepe_cry:

 

[nik87]

How can you have franky above Sanji...dude...

You also think chopper is above Sanji.. pepe_cry:

I am trying to ignore Sanji discussion for a while since it easily turns toxic and annoying for readers...
But you have my explanation in the 2nd screenshot.

 

[Eiyuu Yami]

I am trying to ignore Sanji discussion for a while since it easily turns toxic and annoying for readers...
But you have my explanation in the 2nd screenshot.

Yeah... The screenshot are also spreading on discord. otherwise I wouldn't have seen it since i don't have an OJ account anymore lmao

just quote me once you change your opinion or want to reason your ranking lol

 

[King Moe]

@Eiyuu Yami I stand by my ranking.

Nah, but well better put him above Zoro then since unlike Franky, bullets especially nails can't damage him and Zoro performance haven't been hype up as all thought.

Though Sanji can make up for him, not to worry. Who he is fighting next as can't wait for it.

Kidding about the other stuff above except for Sanji line. No worries (Or is it .)?

 

[afromarco005]

Well the fights are really starting to breakout as now as Sanji vs Page One. Looking at the chapter and what they said, it's clear that Sanji with or without is above him and his future fight will be with Queen for sure. Also I enjoy how he bring up the RS as a way to disguise, not to use for low power since obviously him kicking Page with ease was obvious enough that he can handle him without it. So won't be expecting him to last long especially how Law said they can't afford to be injured and captured until the final battle, so knowing that this might be a good fight and probably be Luffy vs Blueno comparison from what I am hearing the fanbase describing it, but more easily done and faster too.

Pagey has been introduced as beeing on the same level as X-Drake

There is a chance that Sanji > Page one, true but Page One > Sanji is just as probable. Talking about base Sanji of course, his kick sent Pagey flying but did absolutely no damage to him.

This situation is not new, Sanji DJ kicked Vergo, sent him flying but did virtually no damage. This started happening pre time skip with Jabra where Sanji's kicks couldn't bypass the iron defenses with his strenght alone hence why he used/created diable jambe in the first place so I don't expect too much.

Anyway this is the best occasion for Oda to hype Sanji up a little instead of him beeing the hype tool, but knowing oda the fight could be off panneled or interrupted...

On another note, I am very hyped for Sanji's RS, but I expect it to be yet another joke on the cook we will see.

 

[King Moe]

Pagey has been introduced as beeing on the same level as X-Drake

There is a chance that Sanji > Page one, true but Page One > Sanji is just as probable. Talking about base Sanji of course, his kick sent Pagey flying but did absolutely no damage to him.

This situation is not new, Sanji DJ kicked Vergo, sent him flying but did virtually no damage. This started happening pre time skip with Jabra where Sanji's kicks couldn't bypass the iron defenses with his strenght alone hence why he used/created diable jambe in the first place so I don't expect too much.

Anyway this is the best occasion for Oda to hype Sanji up a little instead of him beeing the hype tool, but knowing oda the fight could be off panneled or interrupted...

On another note, I am very hyped for Sanji's RS, but I expect it to be yet another joke on the cook we will see.

No reason Sanji can't handle this as Law (Oda through him) stated that they can't no get injured no matter what and Page is a assassin, so he is aiming to kill, not to defeat. Since Sanji will be facing King or Queen in the future, Sanji will have a flawless victory with the guy to continue on to the final battle. What you mean? Sanji grounded him with one unnamed kick and it did do damage as his eyes went white and it made him spit out food and might have gave a bruised on his face, but hard to tell with his dino skin tone.

Vergo was send flying twice and was bleeding both times. He even held his face when Sanji kick him, Afro. Your literally stretching to say his attack does nothing, but really it does lol. Also your next statement.....Huh?....Ummm....Afro, are you serious or joking? Cause Sanji was able to bypassed Iron Defense on Blueno and Jabra with stronger kicks and push them back even. Idk if you forgotten about it a long time go, but you better reread Water 7 and Enies Lobby on that statement as that wasn't true. Diamble Jamble was his finishing blow, yeah, but your saying his kicks didn't do damage to Iron Defense is inaccurate a whole lot. It was back and forth with Jabra and him like many of the other Strawhats with facing same CP9 members. When his kick has no damage, it be like with Kuma's situation (Though in defense, they were all tired from fighting Oars and he came in). No one since has been like Kuma on not feeling any damage and others so far took damage from him.

Pretty sure a lot of Strawhats been use as hype tool in the crew for bigger threats, not just Sanji and he only been use few times. As for the fight, Don't think it takes anything away if it does get off-screened, kinda makes him look stronger as he comes out with nothing and Page is severely beaten down. Doubt it be interrupted as Page isn't going to stop until he get Sanji and Sanji won't let him attack innocent people until he knocks him out, so make no sense on interruption would happen for it.

Nah, no gag with this. You think Oda will make something useless out of the RS in a serious stakes match like that? I think your letting Sanji's undermining cloud your mind too much on what he is capable off. Oda is setting him up to take him down and so far no reason shown it be in the opposite when Law said they can't get injured or taken down before final battle. Make no sense for Sanji to fall here when the person is also assassin aiming to kill? That's even more unlikely for him to even died here too.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji being used as a hype tool actually complements him, not insults him.


It's not "hype" if a weakling is one shot, but one shotting an opponent like Sanji is clearly impressive at this point in the manga. So by that logic Sanji is a powerful NW fighter.

ex: Luffy was used as a hype tool against Kaido and Luffy is still at YC1 level. If Kaido had one shot nami, no one would be impressed with that feat.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

My face after all this "he will fight queen." "he is going to fight queen" in every thread, when its not happening at all.

 

[King Moe]

My face after all this "he will fight queen." "he is going to fight queen" in every thread, when its not happening at all.

What idea make you say he not facing Queen? Its obvious he facing him or King. Many keep saying that as well for Zoro side too.

 

[nik87]

What idea make you say he not facing Queen? Its obvious he facing him or King. Many keep saying that as well for Zoro side too.

If Oda stays true with power scaling and Queen is anywhere close to Katakuri's level, it's self-explanatory...

 

[King Moe]

If Oda stays true with power scaling and Queen is anywhere close to Katakuri's level, it's self-explanatory...

Sanji and Zoro are close to Luffy in Power. If Luffy facing the boss, they aren't far behind opponents. Always been like that. Plus if Luffy gonna be Yonko lvl, the two will be Yonko Commander lvl. They will face higher threats which why their opponents can be either King, Queen, Jack, or Orochi.

Also pretty sure King and Queen are stronger than Katakuri's as if Jack's Bounty is 1,000,000,000 Billion Beri, that very close to Katakuri's Bounty and, the two probably have higher bounties and power to back it up.

 

[nik87]

Sanji and Zoro are close to Luffy in Power. If Luffy facing the boss, they aren't far behind opponents. Always been like that. Plus if Luffy gonna be Yonko lvl, the two will be Yonko Commander lvl. They will face higher threats which why their opponents can be either King, Queen, Jack, or Orochi.

Also pretty sure King and Queen are stronger than Katakuri's as if Jack's Bounty is 1,000,000,000 Billion Beri, that very close to Katakuri's Bounty and, the two probably have higher bounties and power to back it up.

We will see how it ends up.
The problem that I have with your theory is that Luffy had some progress, fought to the death stronger and stronger opponents each arc while Zoro and Sanji would go from fighting fodder to fighting the strongest tier of fighters under Yonko and Admirals.

Also, Katakuri has a broken ability so saying that Jack is close to him isn't really objective. If Queen and King are stronger than Katakuri remains to be seen because it's not easy to overcome future sight.

 

[King Moe]

We will see how it ends up.
The problem that I have with your theory is that Luffy had some progress, fought to the death stronger and stronger opponents each arc while Zoro and Sanji would go from fighting fodder to fighting the strongest tier of fighters under Yonko and Admirals.

Also, Katakuri has a broken ability so saying that Jack is close to him isn't really objective. If Queen and King are stronger than Katakuri remains to be seen because it's not easy to overcome future sight.

Well technically Zoro fought mostly fodders compare to Sanji if you look at Hody, Monet, Pica, and struggle with more serious fighters like Fujitora and Hawkins, but discontinued.

Sanji fought more higher caliber enemies being Vergo, Doflamingo, Daifuku, Oven, and now so far Page One.

Though I do agree that when they fight someone serious, the fight is discontinued or interuptted sadly, so they don't finished as much as Luffy.

Though due to that Sanji and Zoro never went full 100% in a fight so how much they can bring remains to be seen. So wouldn't be BS they fought them if we never seen how they push to the limit. Plus its also the factor of what Rayleigh said with stronger fights, their Haki grows, so could happen the same with them like with Luffy vs Katakuri.

Well pretty sure they have something on their edge to make them stronger than Katakuri and reason they are Calamities. We have to see as they could have their own broken powers too. If Big Mom and get Commanders could take them, they would have done so already, meaning they are force to be wrecked with.

Pretty sure Oda gonna make them face off and it be a serious fight of both. This arc is giving Enies Lobby vibes with how every Strawhat has potential to fight someone.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Guys i dont even care about powerscaling. Its just that... Oda since Zou sucks currently with his matchups for everyone except Luffy. All "real" decisive battles were with Luffy, all others were offpaneled or not ended at all.

 

[King Moe]

Guys i dont even care about powerscaling. Its just that... Oda since Zou sucks currently with his matchups for everyone except Luffy. All "real" decisive battles were with Luffy, all others were offpaneled or not ended at all.

I think your stretching there as writing and fighting didn't sucks even after Zou or on it. Plus don't be so doubtful as everyone will have fights in Wan with so many threats and enemies around to deal with in the end.

 

[nik87]

Though due to that Sanji and Zoro never went full 100% in a fight so how much they can bring remains to be seen. So wouldn't be BS they fought them if we never seen how they push to the limit.

Yeah, thats the problem. Going from fighting fodder to fight top commanders is quite a stretch. Luffy instead had a gradual progression when it comes to his opponents.

Well pretty sure they have something on their edge to make them stronger than Katakuri and reason they are Calamities. We have to see as they could have their own broken powers too. If Big Mom and get Commanders could take them, they would have done so already, meaning they are force to be wrecked with.

They are force to be reckoned with for sure, yeah. However, I see them equal to Big Mom's Sweet Commanders rather than stronger than them.
Unless Queen and King have some special combat abilities which would make them more troublesome to fight against than against a future sight user I am betting that Katakuri is superior in the fight.

 

[King Moe]

Yeah, thats the problem. Going from fighting fodder to fight top commanders is quite a stretch. Luffy instead had a gradual progression when it comes to his opponents.


They are force to be reckoned with for sure, yeah. However, I see them equal to Big Mom's Sweet Commanders rather than stronger than them.
Unless Queen and King have some special combat abilities which would make them more troublesome to fight against than against a future sight user I am betting that Katakuri is superior in the fight.

I understand, but you need to keep in mind they never once show their full power in a fight, so it's not really BS still. If they shown full power in a fight, but still struggle a whole lot, I agree, but we never seen their 'limit'. We seen Luffy's limit with G4 so far with Big Mom and Kaido temporarily, but make sense since he needs more to truly defeat Yonkos. They need to defeat Yonko Commanders or something at that lvl, so for them that maybe their most limit and could take them down by taking account of their full power and their Haki growing stronger in battle.

Ehh...Well mostly, but if we take in bounties and what damage they can do, then Queen and King are higher than Katakuri's as we don't know their bounties yet, but if it's bigger than Jack's billion bounty which is close to Katakuri's feel like they be stronger than him and able to back it up. We just have to wait and see, but pretty sure they are legit as we catch glimpse of King able to did what he did to BM Pirates (Even though he just simply taking advantage ship situation), so we can expect more in a fight for sure.

 

[AllEyez]

There is a huge lingual difference between Monster Trio and our three Monsters.
Yes, Oda puts them in these situations because they are indeed the three strongest fighters (at that time), and they are all brave. But that doesn't make them a group of equals, which is what the fan-term Monster Trio implies.
And I didn't make up the Luffy-Nami-Zoro trio, Oda did. These three are the very first heroes Oda designed for his Manga series and they form a classic Shonen Hero trio. From a plot design point, they are just way more important than Sanji.

Why not? Robin's feats in Alabasta and Skypea are pretty good. I don't think Sanji pulls drastically ahead of her with anything.

It definitely is not and you just say it yourself down below.

Portrayal can be used for estimations. For example, I definitely think Kid is among the strongest, because he has been portrayed as similar but different to Luffy. Hype on the other hand is rather meaningless in most instances, unless it comes from someone like Sengoku, someone who knows what he is talking about. It is made clear time and time again that the majority of people in the One Piece World have a rather limited knowledge.

No, that's not the only part. Morgans omitted entirely (because he couldn't know) that the Tamate-Bomb was an accident and no one planned for it to explode. He also omitted that Big Mom abducted Sanji, Sanji got a bounty due to his Vinsmoke name, but that name holds no power for Sanji himself.

We really don't know the intelligence of "majority of people of one piece" so we should hold off that assumption.

Especially since we just now learned they have countries that reflect America, Russia etc. And if Oda is reflecting them off their real life counterpart. Plus they are at the reverie.

They could be some important first world type countries with very knowledgeable people and such.

As big as the OPverse is. We honestly don't know alot about it. There's still alot to learn

Greg also states we don't know enough to make that accusation