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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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I meant to write Blueno not Vergo my bad.
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I laughed so much when luffy called Reiju Sanji 😂
Don't still. He clearly hurt Blueno. He defeated Jabra, so stop saying he didn't damage neither. Your going off logic at this point trying to prove it.
 

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Jabra is stronger than Blueno by quite a lot, so if you are going to try to use Blueno vs Sanji in a small scuffle as evidence of anything...you're not arguing in good faith.
 

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The Dude guy what I said is:
Pagey has been introduced as beeing on the same level as X-Drake

There is a chance that Sanji > Page one, true but Page One > Sanji is just as probable. Talking about base Sanji of course, his kick sent Pagey flying but did absolutely no damage to him.

This situation is not new, Sanji DJ kicked Vergo, sent him flying but did virtually no damage. This started happening pre time skip with Jabra where Sanji's kicks couldn't bypass the iron defenses with his strenght alone hence why he used/created diable jambe in the first place so I don't expect too much.

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Is what I said please read my post before jumping to conclusions.

My argument is that Sanji has a record of having trouble against opponnents with high physical defense.

Blueno situation is important as Sanji could not by pass his tekkai ( although he was close) and it's interesting to see how he managed to create a technique to beat tekkai.
Blueno tanking a named attack from Sanji and coming out unscathed :

Jabra Statement on the down right corner with him finally taking real damage ( he was the tekkai specialist after all):


Vergo taking minimal damage from 2 clean DJ hits

 

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The Dude guy what I said is:

Is what I said please read my post before jumping to conclusions.

My argument is that Sanji has a record of having trouble against opponnents with high physical defense.

Blueno situation is important as Sanji could not by pass his tekkai ( although he was close) and it's interesting to see how he managed to create a technique to beat tekkai.
Blueno tanking a named attack from Sanji and coming out unscathed :

Jabra Statement on the down right corner with him finally taking real damage ( he was the tekkai specialist after all):


Vergo taking minimal damage from 2 clean DJ hits

Dude, your really trying to doubt Sanji even in his pre-timeskip days too? Afro, your taking your undermining to another level now, please learn to be fair instead of pushing this and bringing the Vergo issue again when it was resolve already.

Now for your examples, not really best showing that he 'couldn't do anything to them' as he did do something. You know what fights are, right? Back and forth fighting and taking in your opponents attacks and dashing back your own. Just because they got back up doesn't undermine damage was dealt to them. The same can be said to Luffy vs Lucci or more Zoro vs Kaku who actually shown to be more inafffected from Zoro's attacks as he didn't get cut much until more in the later and end of the fight. Though that's not true on all fights as it's a back and forth struggle no matter in any series.

For Sanji vs Blueno, he broke through actually enough to do damage as you can see reaction of his Blueno's face. That's pain, not something he was shrugging off. There is difference when someone shrugs off pain and that's not one of them as when Luffy in first fight with Lucci, hit him multiple times and Lucci shown no reaction or pain as well on Blueno before Luffy did a Rifle attack at him. So using this isn't a good excuse to say Sanji didn't do damage here and trying to force it when the expression on Blueno's face is clear as day is harder to back your statement.

For Sanji vs Jabra, you do realize Jabra bleed already before he use DJ attacks when he first struck Jabra in the face and later when they were fighting too. He also able to push him back multiple times in the fight between them and even kick his head to get stuck in the ceiling above, so to keep saying he felt only 'true' damage when DJ was use, is very inaccurate no matter how you slice it. We seen the fight both manga and anime and it was truly back and forth, not one-sided that Sanji's attacks did absolute nothing as didn't look like it at all.

Now back to the old and 'finish' or so we thought discussion between Sanji vs Vergo, you actually again contradict yourself in this picture you shown as Vergo is visibly bleeding from his face for second time when Sanji struck him and push him back into a wall. Able to make someone bleed from their body isn't minimal damage in the slightest and for Sanji to push him back and damage twice in making him bleed is good showing especially he just came back from Law switching him with Nami and body already used by her. Shows that if Sanji was 100% the fight is more in his favor than before.

Sanji never have trouble with high defense opponents much and prove against them in pushing and damaging them still. If you want a time where Sanji kick did nothing to someone, it was with Kuma himself when he try to damage him in Thriller Bark (Though that one is more he was tired like everyone else in fighting especially fought Oars a lot more compare to the others and go on to damage a Pacifista next arc in Sabody when he was more ready). That is when opponent shrugs it off, but not these examples your trying to push as they counter your own statement right at you looking at the detail and appearances of the characters.
 

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Dude, your really trying to doubt Sanji even in his pre-timeskip days too? Afro, your taking your undermining to another level now, please learn to be fair instead of pushing this and bringing the Vergo issue again when it was resolve already.

Now for your examples, not really best showing that he 'couldn't do anything to them' as he did do something. You know what fights are, right? Back and forth fighting and taking in your opponents attacks and dashing back your own. Just because they got back up doesn't undermine damage was dealt to them. The same can be said to Luffy vs Lucci or more Zoro vs Kaku who actually shown to be more inafffected from Zoro's attacks as he didn't get cut much until more in the later and end of the fight. Though that's not true on all fights as it's a back and forth struggle no matter in any series.

For Sanji vs Blueno, he broke through actually enough to do damage as you can see reaction of his Blueno's face. That's pain, not something he was shrugging off. There is difference when someone shrugs off pain and that's not one of them as when Luffy in first fight with Lucci, hit him multiple times and Lucci shown no reaction or pain as well on Blueno before Luffy did a Rifle attack at him. So using this isn't a good excuse to say Sanji didn't do damage here and trying to force it when the expression on Blueno's face is clear as day is harder to back your statement.

For Sanji vs Jabra, you do realize Jabra bleed already before he use DJ attacks when he first struck Jabra in the face and later when they were fighting too. He also able to push him back multiple times in the fight between them and even kick his head to get stuck in the ceiling above, so to keep saying he felt only 'true' damage when DJ was use, is very inaccurate no matter how you slice it. We seen the fight both manga and anime and it was truly back and forth, not one-sided that Sanji's attacks did absolute nothing as didn't look like it at all.

Now back to the old and 'finish' or so we thought discussion between Sanji vs Vergo, you actually again contradict yourself in this picture you shown as Vergo is visibly bleeding from his face for second time when Sanji struck him and push him back into a wall. Able to make someone bleed from their body isn't minimal damage in the slightest and for Sanji to push him back and damage twice in making him bleed is good showing especially he just came back from Law switching him with Nami and body already used by her. Shows that if Sanji was 100% the fight is more in his favor than before.

Sanji never have trouble with high defense opponents much and prove against them in pushing and damaging them still. If you want a time where Sanji kick did nothing to someone, it was with Kuma himself when he try to damage him in Thriller Bark (Though that one is more he was tired like everyone else in fighting especially fought Oars a lot more compare to the others and go on to damage a Pacifista next arc in Sabody when he was more ready). That is when opponent shrugs it off, but not these examples your trying to push as they counter your own statement right at you looking at the detail and appearances of the characters.
Bro those were just examples to my previous claim thats all. I am not undermining anything...

Kaku says on the page I posted that he almost broke through Blueno's tekkai, also there was no blood.

Jabra tried to lie and take Sanji off guard, but is the one who got outsmarted and caught by surprise kicks to the face, I re-read all of the fight yesterday. Sanji was clearly dominating I am not questioning that, but he didn't do much damage because of tekkai that is what I am saying, once again my argument is that Sanji had trouble bypassing ennemies with a very good defense all of these are just examples.

I am not saying that he is weak or anything of the sort, just that his fighting style is not a good match up for this type of opponent, and that Page one and the other dinos are also foes with super high defense/armament/ thick dino scales
 

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Bro those were just examples to my previous claim thats all. I am not undermining anything...

Kaku says on the page I posted that he almost broke through Blueno's tekkai, also there was no blood.

Jabra tried to lie and take Sanji off guard, but is the one who got outsmarted and caught by surprise kicks to the face, I re-read all of the fight yesterday. Sanji was clearly dominating I am not questioning that, but he didn't do much damage because of tekkai that is what I am saying, once again my argument is that Sanji had trouble bypassing ennemies with a very good defense all of these are just examples.

I am not saying that he is weak or anything of the sort, just that his fighting style is not a good match up for this type of opponent, and that Page one and the other dinos are also foes with super high defense/armament/ thick dino scales
I said it broke through enough to do damage to him still as look on the expression on his Blueno's face. You don't need blood to tell you did hard damage on someone. Your can't say it did nothing or Blueno felt nothing. A person with that expression doesn't express 'shrugging' off like you keep saying.

Dude, that's not surprise kicks, they were in face to face fight and Jabra was prepared to jumped him, so his guard and such was up. He just was too slow in hitting back faster than Sanji and Sanji was indeed doing damage to this Tekkei as majority of time Sanji kick him, you can see expression of pain in his face. It still did damage no matter how much you try to say it didn't. He didn't have trouble bypassing it in damaging at all in the fight which is why it was 'back and forth' fight where you can see it a struggle like everyone elses' in facing CP9 members. I see it no difference from the race of them.

You are saying that as you keep saying his kicks did no damage and blood is required to show damage each time when not always when hurting someone and you see him clearly pushing them back with his moves. Same with Page One as he did the same thing that made him spit out the food and hit the ground hard while it seems it has bruised on his face. I can't tell due to his dino-skin, but he did take damage from that, but of course he got right back up. These aren't fodder opponents, they are actually are threats, Afro. His fighting style is fine as again we never seen him in 100% of his being going hard on someone, but this arc could be that since Oda prepping him up on facing King or Queen of the YCs in the end.
 

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I said it broke through enough to do damage to him still as look on the expression on his Blueno's face. You don't need blood to tell you did hard damage on someone. Your can't say it did nothing or Blueno felt nothing. A person with that expression doesn't express 'shrugging' off like you keep saying.

Dude, that's not surprise kicks, they were in face to face fight and Jabra was prepared to jumped him, so his guard and such was up. He just was too slow in hitting back faster than Sanji and Sanji was indeed doing damage to this Tekkei as majority of time Sanji kick him, you can see expression of pain in his face. It still did damage no matter how much you try to say it didn't. He didn't have trouble bypassing it in damaging at all in the fight which is why it was 'back and forth' fight where you can see it a struggle like everyone elses' in facing CP9 members. I see it no difference from the race of them.

You are saying that as you keep saying his kicks did no damage and blood is required to show damage each time when not always when hurting someone and you see him clearly pushing them back with his moves. Same with Page One as he did the same thing that made him spit out the food and hit the ground hard while it seems it has bruised on his face. I can't tell due to his dino-skin, but he did take damage from that, but of course he got right back up. These aren't fodder opponents, they are actually are threats, Afro. His fighting style is fine as again we never seen him in 100% of his being going hard on someone, but this arc could be that since Oda prepping him up on facing King or Queen of the YCs in the end.
Isn't the whole point of tekkai to reduce/nullify damage?

Blueno was just fine the page just after he made that face...

We will see about the queen matchup, we will see...
 

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Isn't the whole point of tekkai to reduce/nullify damage?

Blueno was just fine the page just after he made that face...

We will see about the queen matchup, we will see...
Does a face like his look like he nullify or take no pain? Nope.

So? Of course he won't go down easy at that time. Though that doesn't mean the pain meant nothing.

Sanji is one of YCs for Luffy and rival to Zoro to the end. Just saying thinking he won't be better or isn't stronger will prove you wrong more as he does something you didn't expect.
 

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Yep and there goes yours and others post of being wrong about Sanji's RS by far off mile lol.
Even a dress can be invisible. :cheez

I called the invisibility ability several times already. :hip
 
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Even a dress can be invisible. :cheez

I called the invisibility ability several times already. :hip
Law wouldn't confirm it if it was a dress and Sanji wouldn't be that happy if it was :3c.

Nah, you got call out and now your been exposed lol XD.

Where you mention on this thread it was invisibility?
 
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Law wouldn't confirm it if it was a dress and Sanji wouldn't be that happy if it was :3c.

Nah, you got call out and now your been exposed lol XD.

Where you mention on this thread it was invisibility?
You are welcome to scroll through my replies to find invisibility several times, up to several weeks if not months ago. :cheez
It's an invisible dress, confirmed by Oda. :3c
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What if Sanji's raid suit has camouflage ability and mimics invisibility? :hmm
He could finally peep on the ladies bathing! :erosanji
@King Moe Git gud. :3c
 
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Put spoilers in tags should as per the 24-hr Spoiler Rule.

With consideration for your fellow members, posting discussion regarding a recently released chapter must be kept within tags until 24 hours have passed after the chapter's release.
 

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Just highlight what text/img you want inside the tag, and hit this scroll menu:



And select spoiler.
Thanks, @M3J and Brandish, I got it :).
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You are welcome to scroll through my replies to find invisibility several times, up to several weeks if not months ago. :cheez
It's an invisible dress, confirmed by Oda. :3c
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@King Moe Git gud. :3c
Nah, new information shown that Law know about the detail from newspaper about it, so put more doubt on your opinion, but it's fun that your still try to prove when your wrong :teehee.

Though doubt you were first person to think it up in community as how to know you didn't follow someone's else's idea :cheez.
 

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but it's fun that your still try to prove when your wrong :teehee.
I thought it was obvious as hell, even for the birds, that entire community joked about it being a dress...

Though doubt you were first person to think it up in community as how to know you didn't follow someone's else's idea :cheez.
I called it based on my own idea, not a copy of someone else's opinion. If someone else had the same idea before me it's totally a possible scenario.
However, you have proof that I called it 2 months ago. :cheez
 
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I thought it was obvious as hell, even for the birds, that entire community joked about it being a dress...


I called it based on my own idea, not a copy of someone else's opinion. If someone else had the same idea before me it's totally a possible scenario.
However, you have proof that I called it 2 months ago. :cheez
Not the entire community as many say it be like his siblings despite what happened prior and in the end it proven right on those who have common sense it's not a 'dud' lol. Just saying I know you love to troll and all, but putting that as fact it will happen isn't Oda's way of thinking like that.

Idk your not the only one I seen with the invisibility idea in the community. It was kinda spread somewhat, so hard to say your truly the one only thinking about it, but I give you props on trying to be open-minded XD.
 
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