Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Pirate Queen]

With a base kick Sanji was able to send a Bananawana flying out of the water, and that was pre-time skip.

Bananawana are about the same size as XDrake so even a base kick from Sanji should have at least caused Drake to turn his head. Rereading the chapter a few times I'm leaning more towards Sanji just trying to kick was from Drake and not actually damage him.

 

[Shasha23]

What does size have to do with anything? we have seen his kick not even make Kuma flinch and he is way WAY way smaller than a bananawari, heck even base Luffy can take his kick head on without defending and only move a little, the kick didn't make him flinch because he is that much more stronger than base Sanji.

Let's not forget how bad base Sanji has been in the NW, it's not surprising that a top tire supernova can tank his base power no problem.

 

[King Moe]

Stop using your "many sites" excuse. You use it when you can't prove your point. As if having other people backing you somehow makes you right

I have prove my points even without. Stop zero-minding outside examples and facts to prove your points credible when so far your 'proof' on shading isn't really that credible especially when we know Oda doesn't make errors like that on same character twice in row in chapters. He would notice and fixed it by now.

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What does size have to do with anything? we have seen his kick not even make Kuma flinch and he is way WAY way smaller than a bananawari, heck even base Luffy can take his kick head on without defending and only move a little, the kick didn't make him flinch because he is that much more stronger than base Sanji.

Let's not forget how bad base Sanji has been in the NW, it's not surprising that a top tire supernova can tank his base power no problem.

Luffy got badly damage by him. What were you watching?

Also Kuma situation is not same to this as unlike it, he not trying to fight. He has a child on his person. Should he truly fight all out when he has to protect someone. Same case when he protects Luffy in WCI. Until more into the fight if it continues we can't determine if Drake can handle his hits or not. So far it look like he was stepping away to get out of his range to take away Toko especially the angle how it look. If Sanji was trying to hurt, he do same with PO who is a fellown Ancient Zoan and T6H who he easily kick down even without RS. Got to wait and see.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I have prove my points even without. Stop zero-minding outside examples and facts to prove your points credible when so far your 'proof' on shading isn't really that credible especially when we know Oda doesn't make errors like that on same character twice in row in chapters. He would notice and fixed it by now.

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Luffy got badly damage by him. What were you watching?

Also Kuma situation is not same to this as unlike it, he not trying to fight. He has a child on his person. Should he truly fight all out when he has to protect someone. Same case when he protects Luffy in WCI. Until more into the fight if it continues we can't determine if Drake can handle his hits or not. So far it look like he was stepping away to get out of his range to take away Toko especially the angle how it look. If Sanji was trying to hurt, he do same with PO who is a fellown Ancient Zoan and T6H who he easily kick down even without RS. Got to wait and see.

You are reaching so hard lol. In both instances in the mange that it "appears" like Sanji is using CoA Hardening, Sanji's leg is either small or very obviously shaded.

 

[King Moe]

Sanji damaged Luffy with DJ attack, his base kicks have been shown to do no damage to Luffy.
Do you know what fightings is? Sanji tried to kick Drake away so he wouldn't eat him and Toko, he wasnt gearing for a fight! and no one ever said Sanji tried to fight Drake with a kick, the person trying to fight is Zoro learn the difference!

p.s Again your making no sense, i don't understand what you're trying to say!
Trying to decipher what you're trying to say every time is a real pain, do something about it, go attend classes and improve your communication skills!

Try not attack someone grammar when you get counter. You seem to do this with everyone. You also know your grammar isn't greatest, right?

'Did no damage to Luffy at all' yet he was able to break out a tooth, cause him to bleed, and knock him out for a bit. That wasn't even him being serious as he didn't put in more power or Haki. If your using that as reason on Sanji's power that plain foolish as why would Sanji go all out on Luffy with their deep bond?

What are you saying here? You just repeated my statement on that Sanji wasn't trying to fight him and is keeping away due to Toko. Never said that was actual fight between them obviously. It feels your arguing for sake of arguing -.-...

 

[Pirate Queen]

What does size have to do with anything? we have seen his kick not even make Kuma flinch and he is way WAY way smaller than a bananawari, heck even base Luffy can take his kick head on without defending and only move a little, the kick didn't make him flinch because he is that much more stronger than base Sanji.

Let's not forget how bad base Sanji has been in the NW, it's not surprising that a top tire supernova can tank his base power no problem.

Sanji is Top Tier as well. It's not a matter of size, I know. I'm just clarifying that Sanji has redirected things far larger than himself in the past. I dont think Sanji tried to combat XDrake in that panel, he simply kicked off Drake to get away from him.

 

[King Moe]

You are reaching so hard lol. In both instances in the mange that it "appears" like Sanji is using CoA Hardening, Sanji's leg is either small or very obviously shaded.

Asking you if it was error, why would Oda do it twice? Pretty sure it's confirm it's not this point especially same chapter we see same type of shading again on Zoro's blades which are not up close either. Leading on more being true than not. If you don't want to believe it, up to you. Though don't be surprise if you continue seeing it or show it as Hardening in anime again.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Try not attack someone grammar when you get counter. You seem to do this with everyone. You also know your grammar isn't greatest, right?

'Did no damage to Luffy at all' yet he was able to break out a tooth, cause him to bleed, and knock him out for a bit. That wasn't even him being serious as he didn't put in more power or Haki. If your using that as reason on Sanji's power that plain foolish as why would Sanji go all out on Luffy with their deep bond?

What are you saying here? You just repeated my statement on that Sanji wasn't trying to fight him and is keeping away due to Toko. Never said that was actual fight between them obviously. It feels your arguing for sake of arguing -.-...

You didnt counter him.

And your grammar is poor and difficult to understand at some points. It's not an insult. It's a genuine complaint I personally have when debating with/against you

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Asking you if it was error, why would Oda do it twice? Pretty sure it's confirm it's not this point especially same chapter we see same type of shading again on Zoro's blades which are not up close either. Leading on more being true than not. If you don't want to believe it, up to you. Though don't be surprise if you continue seeing it or show it as Hardening in anime again.

Anime is not canon. It can be shown a thousand times in the anime and be no more legit than before. So no, I wouldnt be surprised if they showed it as hardening again. Doesn't change that a shading issue and not a haki issue

 

[thedude]

I think it's pretty obvious that his leg goes black, really not sure why you are arguing against Moe on that one. Other characters have already said he has haki, and CoA haki has been shown two ways: Black body part, or the Sentomoru way. I'm not sure why this is a long debate, kind of dumb to be honest.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Its not your grammar that is the problem, the problem is that you dont know the meaning of words, and you end up saying random nonsense and expect us to understand what you're saying! yes with "everyone" and this "everyone" sums up to just you LOL!

Which kick did he use to break his tooth? ......... DJ attack not a base level kick stop trolling, Sanji was going all out on Luffy he even says so himself!

He is not trying to fight but that doesn't mean he is not serious since your English understanding is soo bad you are clearly missing the point in all of this!

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If it's not a matter of size don't bring it up then!

He kicked out at Drake because he was going for a follow up and Sanji stopped him with the kick, the kick stop Drake from attacking but it was soo weak to even move Drake

I disagree, but it doesnt really matter. The end result was the same.

 

[M3J]

Anyway, not sure why Sanji's strength is being determined from this chapter. The panel shows the point of contact or right before (according to MS's scan), it doesn't show us what happened after. Reminds me of the end of Rocky III, where we see Apollo and Rocky punching each other, and then freeze right before impact, I think.

 

[Pirate Queen]

if you're not trying to insult him, then stop mentioning it in every freakin' post to him, holy shit


Anyway, not sure why Sanji's strength is being determined from this chapter. The panel shows the point of contact or right before (according to MS's scan), it doesn't show us what happened after. Reminds me of the end of Rocky III, where we see Apollo and Rocky punching each other, and then freeze right before impact, I think.

Your mixing me me up with Shasha. This was the first time I have ever mentioned it...

 

[Shasha23]

The truth is the truth and the last time I checked this was still an English forum, asking someone to write in understandable words and sentences is not insulting in anyway!

 

[Brandish μ]

Ah....

Lets just bury the hatchet about grammar/English etc. Try to make some sense when you write. If you can't understand someone else's post, asking them to clarify 'what they mean' is better than 'you suck at grammar'. If the post is inferred as hostile by a moderator there's a good chance the post will be deleted. Have some courtesy and respect for each other.

@King Moe I would recommend you not use word of mouth from other sites or anything like that. Firstly it rubs people wrong when you're using this to support your claims, in a way you're not being respectful of those you're talking to. Secondly, we have the manga to refer to at all times, and that, in the context of a 'feats' discussion, is fact. For example if you're trying to prove Sanji used Haki, you could find other panels in the manga that have Haki in it, and compare to the scene in question.

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Thanks.

 

[King Moe]

Ah....

Lets just bury the hatchet about grammar/English etc. Try to make some sense when you write. If you can't understand someone else's post, asking them to clarify 'what they mean' is better than 'you suck at grammar'. If the post is inferred as hostile by a moderator there's a good chance the post will be deleted. Have some courtesy and respect for each other.

@King Moe I would recommend you not use word of mouth from other sites or anything like that. Firstly it rubs people wrong when you're using this to support your claims, in a way you're not being respectful of those you're talking to. Secondly, we have the manga to refer to at all times, and that, in the context of a 'feats' discussion, is fact. For example if you're trying to prove Sanji used Haki, you could find other panels in the manga that have Haki in it, and compare to the scene in question.

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Thanks.

That's fine, but it's how they say it to you is the issue if they want to understand. If they can be more considerate on how they say it, then it should help around on both sides on getting to understand each other more.

I don't say to disrespect or rub people the wrong way when I mention 'outside' sources from this website. Mostly say it on what is the talk of the community than 'this make my opinion right more'. We can't say that this website is 'what the community thinks overall' as we are kinda an 'small' percentage to overall fandom. Hope this clear the confusion on how you and others see that. As for manga stuff, I have no issues doing that, but can't do it while on mobile and sometimes somethings don't need to be crop picture into your post as you can either link it or tell the other person to check out the certain chapter or page on proving your point. Just explaining from my side on when I post my opinion concerning this stuff.

 

[Brandish μ]

Eh, we'll leave it at this for the off-topic, so we can continue talking about Sanji.

I don't say to disrespect or rub people the wrong way when I mention 'outside' sources from this website

To be blunt, your intentions aren't the issue here. The reactions of others clearly indicate wrong rubbing. And it's because these outside 'sources' lack the kind of credibility people need to have a meaningful conversation.

I don't really think I should be telling you how to post, either. But since this seems to be an ongoing issue in One Piece, I would kindly advise you to avoid sources that couldn't be backed up by the manga explicitly.

 

[King Moe]

Eh, we'll leave it at this for the off-topic, so we can continue talking about Sanji.



To be blunt, your intentions aren't the issue here. The reactions of others clearly indicate wrong rubbing. And it's because these outside 'sources' lack the kind of credibility people need to have a meaningful conversation.

I don't really think I should be telling you how to post, either. But since this seems to be an ongoing issue in One Piece, I would kindly advise you to avoid sources that couldn't be backed up by the manga explicitly.

That's fine. Again never was trying to do that and always talk on stuff that I explain and give examples on it being true. Never post for sake of posting.

Sure we can back on the subject then. So what will happen next between Sanji and Drake? Don't think Drake will easily stop his rampage to get to Sanji so I think that he will have to put Toko down or give it to his allies or friends to hold her to fight him more properly in the end.

 

[M3J]

Your mixing me me up with Shasha. This was the first time I have ever mentioned it...

Mentioned what? I wasn't directing anything at you, I think? If about Sanji's kick on Drake, it was at others like shasha who used that to trollishly determine Sanji's weak.

Sanji and Zoro are better off escaping lest they want to deal with Kaidou or Kaidou's top fighters. Sanji seems to be levelheaded enough to know to run away, but he probably will come back only if Zoro's in danger.

 

[Shasha23]

Some people when faced with reality and facts call it trolling, how lame!
Of cause base Sanji is weak compared to top tire supernovas, Stealth Black Sanji on the other hand has shown great levels of speed and power, if he kicked Drake in that form no way Drake would be unaffected

 

[M3J]

yawn

There's no fact or reality, just opinion and conclusion based on what one wants to think. All you see is Sanji touching or about to touch Drake but nothing after that. Not enough to determine anything