Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[hokageji]

In combat feats and purpose I would rate now Luffy, Sanji, and then Brook. Brook was beast, but he wasn't top tier when facing BM and Perospero if we looking at combats. He was useful on buying time and getting what needs to be retrieve though.

and what did Sanji do that he wouldn't have before? Maybe the fast movement and the bullet dodging we saw, but thats about it. Luffy really showed us next level skills in this arc, so did Brooks....

anyways, the MVP part is a subjective thing so lets just agree to disagree and move on. I dont see anything concrete coming from this discusison.

 

[Sachsenhesse]

The objective for this arc was: bring back sanji and get the porneglyph

Brook singlehandly got the porneglyph and the rescue was thanks to the entire crew.

MVP is not even a contest here.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Youtube, Twitter, Reddit, etc. disagree on you on that factors. It's not hated by many. Only few people, but overall everyone enjoy it. Everything make sense with characters, situations, themes, and so on. You have to check on those who fully dissect the arc to understand why others see it more in good light than bad light as it never was one.

Latest information about top arcs.
The top ranked is marineford with occassional wano. No WCI in hindsight. My proof that WCI is not really liked. Now lets see yours

 

[M3J]

Brook was the MVP
And then Jinbei in second
Sanji and Luffy are tied

But Sanji was not the most valuable player. Brook accomplished a mission while Jinbei saved Luffy and is why they were able to get Sanji back and make it out. Luffy took on Katakuri while Sanji baked a cake that distracted Big Mom and saved the Sunny, and he saved Luffy as well (which might not have succeeded if Luffy didn't save the Germa).

 

[King Moe]

Not a single person said he didnt have MVP moments, only that he was outshined by others.

Learn to take criticism.

I do. Which is why I can put Pedro and Luffy above his actions, but not everyone though as Sanji's actions still put him ahead of Brook and others.

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Latest information about top arcs.
The top ranked is marineford with occassional wano. No WCI in hindsight. My proof that WCI is not really liked. Now lets see yours

Don't think you understand between arcs and moments as it's not declaring on there which arc is greatest, but more talking greatest moments. Majority still put it on top especially on Japan forums on how they discuss OP nowadays concerning it.

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and what did Sanji do that he wouldn't have before? Maybe the fast movement and the bullet dodging we saw, but thats about it. Luffy really showed us next level skills in this arc, so did Brooks....

anyways, the MVP part is a subjective thing so lets just agree to disagree and move on. I dont see anything concrete coming from this discusison.

Also take down Oven easily and fight off Daifuku. Brook didn't do much to BM and just gave small cut on Homie and then cried to Perospero after easily beating him. Can't push Brook having better combat feats especially last one takes away some of his coolness.

Exactly. I respect Brook still MVP, but just saying he isn't only one in the arc.

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Brook was the MVP
And then Jinbei in second
Sanji and Luffy are tied

But Sanji was not the most valuable player. Brook accomplished a mission while Jinbei saved Luffy and is why they were able to get Sanji back and make it out. Luffy took on Katakuri while Sanji baked a cake that distracted Big Mom and saved the Sunny, and he saved Luffy as well (which might not have succeeded if Luffy didn't save the Germa).

Respect to you on your choices, but wouldn't put Jimbei above Luffy and Sanji. He didn't done much in mega moment except with steering the ship for sure. Give props on the speech to BM too, but nothing outstanding to put him above them easily.

 

[M3J]

Did you not read my post? He saved Luffy and Nami from dying, and without Luffy Sanji would not have been able to bake a cake. Jinbei is definitely more of a valuable player than Sanji and Luffy were this arc. Plus, he also managed to hold back Big Mom and prevent her from destroying the ship.

 

[King Moe]

Did you not read my post? He saved Luffy and Nami from dying, and without Luffy Sanji would not have been able to bake a cake. Jinbei is definitely more of a valuable player than Sanji and Luffy were this arc. Plus, he also managed to hold back Big Mom and prevent her from destroying the ship.

Hmmm...True, but not enough to do what Luffy and Sanji did. Not really stop BM. Only delay the inevitable before Sanji saved him and others with the cake.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

Hmmm...True, but not enough to do what Luffy and Sanji did. Not really stop BM. Only delay the inevitable before Sanji saved him and others with the cake.

Lol the irony.
Sanji's cake only delay big mom attacks. She did go back to chase the shp. Guess who helped shp to escape? Jinbei..

 

[jaymizzo]

Don't think you understand between arcs and moments as it's not declaring on there which arc is greatest, but more talking greatest moments. Majority still put it on top especially on Japan forums on how they discuss OP nowadays concerning it.

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Can you show us the evidence?

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Hmmm...True, but not enough to do what Luffy and Sanji did. Not really stop BM. Only delay the inevitable before Sanji saved him and others with the cake.

Had Brook not stolen the poneglyph, saw BMs panties and also helped in getting Zeus, the crew would have failed it's mission.

Had Jinbei not been their helmsman they would have sunk.

Had Luffy not defeated Katakuri and Cracker, the crew would have been wiped.

Had Sanji not baked the cake, BM would probably have died from hunger and destroyed her own island.

 

[Pirate Queen]

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Had Sanji not baked the cake, BM would probably have died from hunger and destroyed her own island.

This I have to disagree with since Oda himself stressed how crucial it was that Sanji bake that cake. He saved not only the SHP but all of BM's territories. It just wants enough to give him MVP. Everyone role was equally crucial, but Brook nabbed the Rio Poneglyph with is vital to not just the arc, but the entire series.

 

[M3J]

Jinbei was pretty crucial because he's what kept the ship savable for Sanji. Big Mom came back, sure, but he was able to put off her destroying the ship, which gave Sanji time to arrive.

 

[jaymizzo]

This I have to disagree with since Oda himself stressed how crucial it was that Sanji bake that cake. He saved not only the SHP but all of BM's territories. It just wants enough to give him MVP. Everyone role was equally crucial, but Brook nabbed the Rio Poneglyph with is vital to not just the arc, but the entire series.

If the SHP did not care about collateral damage and made it seem as if the cake is somewhere else, BM would just have destroyed her territories and the SHP would be safe.

My point is, which i should have made earlier is that Sanjis moment was to define Sanji... but was not so impactful in the grand scheme of things. It did not stop BM from still coming after them but managed to save a lot of lives. It was an MVP moment to Sanji himself where he reinforced his own vows and inturn helped save innocents. In a way, he was taking some responsibility for the mess that he created.

By ranking
Brook

Pedro
Jinbei/Luffy
Sanji
Nami/Chopper

 

[M3J]

The cake was pretty impactful because it got Big Mom away from the Straw Hats and kept her away. By the time she went after them again, they were gone.

 

[King Moe]

Can you show us the evidence?

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Had Brook not stolen the poneglyph, saw BMs panties and also helped in getting Zeus, the crew would have failed it's mission.

Had Jinbei not been their helmsman they would have sunk.

Had Luffy not defeated Katakuri and Cracker, the crew would have been wiped.

Had Sanji not baked the cake, BM would probably have died from hunger and destroyed her own island.

BM about to kill them. What you mean cake did nothing? No it was important and Oda defend this.

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Lol the irony.
Sanji's cake only delay big mom attacks. She did go back to chase the shp. Guess who helped shp to escape? Jinbei..

Nah it was her crew that stop them. You think cake was made to stop her own crew who can think for themselves? Your grasping straws too much.

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The cake was pretty impactful because it got Big Mom away from the Straw Hats and kept her away. By the time she went after them again, they were gone.

Oda even stresses the cake was only thing to stop her as in SBS someone ask what would happen if she went like that again? He responded the cake was truly one to stop her rampage nothing else. Arguing there was another way is ignorance over what Oda say as he made it clear. Just saying is all.

 

[jaymizzo]

BM about to kill them. What you mean cake did nothing? No it was important and Oda defend this.

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Thats cool, but can you show us these forums that are concerned about it - Sanji and WCI? And Reddit too (Im on reddit a lot but never see this much Sanji love).

So show us please.

 

[King Moe]

Thats cool, but can you show us these forums that are concerned about it - Sanji and WCI? And Reddit too (Im on reddit a lot but never see this much Sanji love).

So show us please.

Where you been looking? Reddit show love a lot on OP Forum to Sanji with fan art and discuss on arc that many liked. Been there many times and always like that. Just check there.

 

[jaymizzo]

Where you been looking? Reddit show love a lot on OP Forum to Sanji with fan art and discuss on arc that many liked. Been there many times and always like that. Just check there.

I have, it would be great if you could provide a few links, you seem quite familiar with the discussions in the japanese forums and reddit, just this once, prove something.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Where you been looking? Reddit show love a lot on OP Forum to Sanji with fan art and discuss on arc that many liked. Been there many times and always like that. Just check there.

Prove it

 

[King Moe]

I have, it would be great if you could provide a few links, you seem quite familiar with the discussions in the japanese forums and reddit, just this once, prove something.

I just saw reddit right now and there is recently posted fanpost of picture of Sanji with 2.5 thousand likes and growing. Again just type and look for it. Possible to see OP Reddit Forum.

 

[Grandmaster Woro]

This I have to disagree with since Oda himself stressed how crucial it was that Sanji bake that cake. He saved not only the SHP but all of BM's territories. It just wants enough to give him MVP. Everyone role was equally crucial, but Brook nabbed the Rio Poneglyph with is vital to not just the arc, but the entire series.

this. Funny how king moe fails to get this even after being explained numerous times.
WCI is an arc piloted by sanji and his family, but that doesnt make him the MVP. MVP should be given to jinbei or brook.