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Who will be Sanji's main opponent during the Raid on Onigashima?


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Agree to disagree and move on. Do not force your opinions on each other. If the same argument spans for longer than two days, take it as a sign that that person might not be interested in your viewpoint, no matter what proof you bring to the table. Just drop it, ignore them, or whatever.

Just don't keep this bullshit going on and thank your lucky stars that @goldb is a patient fellow.
 

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Agree to disagree and move on. Do not force your opinions on each other. If the same argument spans for longer than two days, take it as a sign that that person might not be interested in your viewpoint, no matter what proof you bring to the table. Just drop it, ignore them, or whatever.

Just don't keep this bullshit going on and thank your lucky stars that @goldb is a patient fellow.
Sanji's seems to be moving behind the scenes currently. What he stumbles upon is going to likely lead to a huge turning of the tides. Perhaps he leads the geisha into battle like his own harem army hahaha jk jk
 

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Sanji discussion, Sanji questions, on topic.
Can anyone explain how Sanji will fight top tier swordsmen?

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Not calling out anyone nor going in circles, asking a general question anyone can answer. @eefrit
 

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I don't think he'll fight a swordsman, because Oda's not interested in writing those battles. Likewise, Zoro will only fight swordsmen, because Oda has decided that that is his character.

In terms of Sanji vs an admiral..I mean, come on, it's gotta be Ryokugyu! Doesn't eat vs Chef. Both love women...it's perfect! Green Bull vs Black Leg.
 

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I don't think he'll fight a swordsman, because Oda's not interested in writing those battles. Likewise, Zoro will only fight swordsmen, because Oda has decided that that is his character.

In terms of Sanji vs an admiral..I mean, come on, it's gotta be Ryokugyu! Doesn't eat vs Chef. Both love women...it's perfect! Green Bull vs Black Leg.
I didn't catch that food vs no food side of things lol nice catch. I would prefer Kizaru vs Sanji but that could work.

Speedster battles are often visually impressive. Whereas GreenBull seems to imply strength based power.

Edit: on another note, if Sanji's RS invisibility is due to reflecting light to make him invisible it could give him an edge against light based powers i.e. Kizaru
 

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I didn't catch that food vs no food side of things lol nice catch. I would prefer Kizaru vs Sanji but that could work.

Speedster battles are often visually impressive. Whereas GreenBull seems to imply strength based power.

Edit: on another note, if Sanji's RS invisibility is due to reflecting light to make him invisible it could give him an edge against light based powers i.e. Kizaru
I didn't realize that with invisibility how it can be infraction to light. That pushes more Sanji could fight Kizaru himself as good counter while able to keep up with him.
 

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Don't see much Sanji vs Avalo as not really much conflict of interests compare with Shiryu who if we remember how he reacted to Abasalom having the DF, Sanji wouldn't let him get away from him and wants to fight him. Don't see him giving it to Zoro and more him taking on Avalo as feel Sake be involve in there confrontations among other reasons, but feeling more Burgess could make a combat as just because he lost to Sabo doesn't mean he done fighting or he won't get stronger next time. Knowing Oda he has something in mind for him. If the theory for Jozu's DF or something that relate to challenge to Zoro's swordsmanship, it will happen again and plus standard he usual face the first mate-like of the crew. Burgess is that, so doubtful Oda will waste facing someone lower when he building BB Pirates to be another threat entirely on each of them.

Also Idk if Jimbei be high up there as given he already reach his Prime, Sanji and Zoro will be above him when facing BB Pirates given they are younger and more room to grow.
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You definitely don't remember.
Sanji discussion, Sanji questions, on topic.
Can anyone explain how Sanji will fight top tier swordsmen?

Is this on topic and meeting the requirements to avoid being deleted?
Not calling out anyone nor going in circles, asking a general question anyone can answer. @eefrit
There's really no way for him to fight top tier swordsmen unless he gets an extremely high level CoA that can protect against CoA-imbued swords.
 

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You definitely don't remember.


There's really no way for him to fight top tier swordsmen unless he gets an extremely high level CoA that can protect against CoA-imbued swords.
I do remember. Just stating the points is all.

I don't see why he shouldn't as he not afraid facing enemy like that. COA is high level as he did tank Kanjuro's ship destroying attacks for Nami and plus stopping Daifuku's blade. If he face weapon opponents it's not really surprise on how he will combat them.
 

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There's really no way for him to fight top tier swordsmen unless he gets an extremely high level CoA that can protect against CoA-imbued swords.
Well, he would need to be so far above his opponent for Hardening to protect him from swords... We would need Vergo vs Tashigi scenario.
However, we are talking about vs top tier swordsmen and such a scenario is basically impossible. Having Hardening so much better than a top tier is practically impossible for Sanji considering he hasnt even shown Hardening on panel... Perhaps the haki blasts can change something but Sanji is far from those...
 

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New opening nice

I think it deserves it's own thread
 

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Interesting going for that color scheme, but is that actual canon since sometimes Anime differ on Manga color schemes at certain times as Sanji is more black-attire at times, but then again he doesn't always where that each adventure, so good to see diversity on his clothing style.

What you all think of the opening?
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Hmmm...Things are going in direction on making me wonder on where and what will Sanji do to turn the tide in battle when he appears as this taking same amount like in Alabasta, Enies Lobby, and so on when he goes on his solo missions before bringing something around that is unexpected and crucial to the group. Though noticing certain hints on what that could be and who he be facing in his final fight from how manga and anime seems to be pushing. Though got wait and see about it before making theory about it, but think got a idea where it might involve that could potential affect forces of Kaido's Army around.
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Do anyone still believe RS will be connected on how Sanji can reawaken his genetic modifications inside his body? Like his siblings, do you think he gain a boost of his exoskeleton along with invisibility without even needing RS for that anymore similar to how his siblings can use their abilities without RS? Though of course it makes him that much stronger given he can fight without it even now.
 
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the implication so far would appear to be that judge's modifications simply didn't work on sanji. Though I suppose it is not impossible that sanji is actually closer to reiju except he is sort of a late bloomer.

As far as unique abilities, to me it seems like the series is not entirely clear on whether the stuff sanji's siblings do is due to their raid suits or modifications. If we go by sanji alone then odds are the raid suits are what gives them their more unique abilities. In which case its unlikely sanji will gain abilities due to his presumably failed modifications.

Raid suit wise what i am more interested on is whether franky got to modify the suit to begin with. On one hand the suit's technology definitely presents absurd possibilities for franky. On another, the suit could be modified into something that suits sanji better. Not sure of what that would look like but some of the stuff we have seen from the suit is rather redundant. Invisibility is a huge perk of course but flight is something sanji can achieve without the suit. I suppose it'd be interesting if he can combine his sky walk with the suit though. The suit also provides protection... but that's only truly interesting if sanji can combine that with his own haki. If franky tinkers with it he could add something to enhance diable jambe, which I would assume is something which the suit was not made to either boost or otherwise even handle.
 

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As far as unique abilities, to me it seems like the series is not entirely clear on whether the stuff sanji's siblings do is due to their raid suits or modifications. If we go by sanji alone then odds are the raid suits are what gives them their more unique abilities. In which case its unlikely sanji will gain abilities due to his presumably failed modifications.
Sanji's siblings proved to already have bulletproof bodies when they were small children and Niiji used his electricity powers against Sanji without wearing the Raid Suit, so it's safe to say the sibling's suits only boost their already superhuman abilities (while granting them new ones like the ability to fly) and provide them some additional armor through the cape.
 

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the implication so far would appear to be that judge's modifications simply didn't work on sanji. Though I suppose it is not impossible that sanji is actually closer to reiju except he is sort of a late bloomer.
Didn't Reiju or someone say that Sanji's mom tried to make sure Sanji didn't get modified like his siblings?
 

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Sora nearly killed herself in an attempt to keep the boys human, with Sanji being the only one she saved. While Sanji ending up modified wouldn't make her sacrifices completely pointless, but it would significantly weaken the meaning behind them.

Plus, thematically, Sanji's entire existence proves that his father was wrong in his methods. He's human and managed to grow into an incredibly strong individual because of that aspect.

As for the Raid Suit, I'm fairly certain that Franky and Usopp just modified the appearance, seeing as how that was the only thing Sanji mentioned wanting changed.
 

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Sanji's siblings proved to already have bulletproof bodies when they were small children and Niiji used his electricity powers against Sanji without wearing the Raid Suit, so it's safe to say the sibling's suits only boost their already superhuman abilities (while granting them new ones like the ability to fly) and provide them some additional armor through the cape.
Ah, right, I had forgotten about that. But then... What's the deal with sanji's raid suit's invisibility? That clearly is not a genetic ability sanji has. So even if we go by the abilities the siblings displayed being innate and caused by their modifications.... does that mean only sanji's raid suit has a special ability? And then we have diable jambe... If its confirmed that the sibling's special abilities are due to being modified by their parent... Then we have the scenario that the sibling's abilities actuall somewhat resemble diable jambe in how they are applied and used.
 

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Ah, right, I had forgotten about that. But then... What's the deal with sanji's raid suit's invisibility? That clearly is not a genetic ability sanji has. So even if we go by the abilities the siblings displayed being innate and caused by their modifications.... does that mean only sanji's raid suit has a special ability? And then we have diable jambe... If its confirmed that the sibling's special abilities are due to being modified by their parent... Then we have the scenario that the sibling's abilities actuall somewhat resemble diable jambe in how they are applied and used.
They did make Sanji's RS with him in mind for whatever reason, so it's possible it has unique features that take into account that he's unmodified unlike his siblings. Other RS' may also have unique abilities but I think what's unique about them is instead boosting their user's pre-existing genetic powers.

I agree that the Diable Jambe looks like the result of some sort of genetic power, but at the same time it doesn't.
The first time DJ was introduced, it was justified as "Sanji spinning on himself so fast that his leg bursts into flames (that for some unspecified reason don't hurt him despite how devastating they are against his opponents)". DJ bothers me a bit because of how illogical the skill seems, but it was introduced at the same time that Asura and Gear Second, two other techniques that bother me just as much for the same reasons. Asura is just as illogical as DJ, and even more unexplained than it. Also, now Sanji seems to be able to go DJ without spinning first, as if he had instant combustion powers, but Luffy also somehow turns G2 without first pumping the blood inside his body through his legs, which should be compulsory to start the power-up. Post-TS Luffy is even somehow able to use G2 on localized limbs (instead of the whole body), which makes absolutely no sense because of how the skill is supposed to work.

What I mean by that is that despite DJ not making that much sense to me, that's fine, because the power-ups that were introduced at the same time as DJ for Zoro and Luffy make just as little sense than DJ so it's probably not the result of unique genetics but of foggy writing.
 
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They did make Sanji's RS with him in mind for whatever reason, so it's possible it has unique features that take into account that he's unmodified unlike his siblings. Other RS' may also have unique abilities but I think what's unique about them is instead boosting their user's pre-existing genetic powers.

I agree that the Diable Jambe looks like the result of some sort of genetic power, but at the same time it doesn't.
The first time DJ was introduced, it was justified as "Sanji spinning on himself so fast that his leg bursts into flames (that for some unspecified reason don't hurt him despite how devastating they are against his opponents)". DJ bothers me a bit because of how illogical the skill seems, but it was introduced at the same time that Asura and Gear Second, two other techniques that bother me just as much for the same reasons. Asura is just as illogical as DJ, and even more unexplained than it. Also, now Sanji seems to be able to go DJ without spinning first, as if he had instant combustion powers, but Luffy also somehow turns G2 without first pumping the blood inside his body through his legs, which should be compulsory to start the power-up. Post-TS Luffy is even somehow able to use G2 on localized limbs (instead of the whole body), which makes absolutely no sense because of how the skill is supposed to work.

What I mean by that is that despite DJ not making that much sense to me, that's fine, because the power-ups that were introduced at the same time as DJ for Zoro and Luffy make just as little sense and DJ so it's probably not the result of unique genetics but of foggy writing.
If you look at it that way then the suit existing at all is weird, since sanji left ages ago... Are the suits insanely old or did judge also make the suit when making the others? Add to that, the suit is described in that comic book... Overall this is just confusing.

Diable jambe bothers me even more than azura tbh. Gear second not so much because even fuzzy mechanics are mechanics. On this at least I give OP a fair bit of suspension of disbelief. Diable jambe in turn makes little sense because even in this series fire is something that burns you unless you have some manner of protection. Where diable jambe sort of fits without it being an enhancement is that there are other people capable of arbitrarily creating fire. Zoro has a few techniques which burn the enemy and luffy has red hawk.. But sanji's siblings definitely place diable jambe in a weird place. And it seems like an opportunity to make it make more sense. As in, sanji having a genetic trait that allows him to set himself on fire makes more sense than him not having it.
 
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