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Smoker is an adversary for Luffy, he's not fodder. He's stronger than a majority of the straw hats,
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No he's not. In no way is he an adversary for someone who can 2 shot him.
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You're being too nice... Sanji would 2 shots him. Luffy would destroy him without even touching him.
Smoker isn't Luffy's Garp and Luffy doesn't need one because he is not Roger. He does not need a Marine rival at all. Not Smoker not Koby not anyone
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This is just a stigma that people push because they feel like Luffy's journey has to be exactly like Rogers. Luffy has 2 main rivals.....Law and Kidd. That's it.
Roger enjoyed doing battle with Garp, Luffy doesn't give 2 shits about Smoker lmao.
Any of the top 4 would body tf out of him.
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Oda would never write Luffy two shotting smoker, why do people say shit like this, What competent person has luffy ever 1 or 2 shotted? Luffy couldn't even 2 shot a topi roppo....
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Anyway, I hope we get to see Sanji go up against a commander or one of the top fighters. it's about high time we see that Sanji isn't as weak as he's portrayed to be.
And let me reiterate, LOLOLOL at the people who thought JInbei and his crew were captured or killed, and Sanji was why.
And let me reiterate, LOLOLOL at the people who thought JInbei and his crew were captured or killed, and Sanji was why.
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Oda wrote Luffy above Doffy who mopped the floor with Smoker. Luffy just punched Kaido to the ground. Stop acting like you're Oda.
Why do people say stuff like that? Because it's the truth.
Oda is writing Luffy up against Yonko.....Smoker might not even be the strongest VA.
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A rude reminder that this is a Sanji Discussion thread, not Luffy or Smoker or Luffy vs. Smoker discussion thread.
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Mods n everybody just had 2 pages of discussion about Sanji vs Smoker...I don’t see the problem here. Luffy vs Smoker is a bit sidetracked but has a little references as in comparison to Sanji.
Many have stated reasons & agreed that WCI Sanji or PH Sanji can’t defeat Smoker. RS Sanji of course..:::But seems everyone is trying to measure Sanji w/o his RS; which does him little good because his lack of Haki feats...Not too many top lv opponents can be defeated w/o decent Haki
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It's getting too focused on Luffy vs. Smoker.
And Sanji does have decent haki. It's good enough that Luffy had no problem counting on him to deal with Caribou if needed, and even Judge praised him.
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Sanji's haki is fine. Even if nobody wants to believe he showed a hardening feat in chapter 976, he'll assuredly show something substantial in the upcoming fights. No matter how good the Raid Suit is, Haki is still a key component in high level New World fights.
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against Ceasar & Caribou logia weaklings with no Haki feats....
His Haki is subpar.....
I agree he did show CoA, against XDrake, who didn’t flinch & smacked him down with tail.
you mentioned it in your last sentence. Haki is a key component. Yet Sanji has a RS instead of improving in Haki like Luffy & Zoro are doing....
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But also against Judge as well...
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agree. I don't think sanji is going the haki expert route just like luffy and zoro. The raid suit is an alternative route for sanji to match enemies with strong haki, which is also fine.
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I don't think it is and, ironically, I don't even think he used hardening against Drake. He was protecting Toko? I think that's her name. When he passed her off, that's when he attempted to get serious and he got swatted before he could land a serious hit. Speaking of, it's strange how Oda's been weird Sanji using Diable Jambe against Ancient Zoans directly. He didn't use it against Page One and he didn't get a chance to use it against Drake before we cut away.
RS just isn't enough offensively by itself. If it's his boost, it isn't going to do anything if all it does is make him faster and more durable. Like if it's supposed to be his Gear 4 equivalent, if he can't deal the damage to bypass durable Ancient Zoans or stronger haki, it's a pointless upgrade. He still needs Haki.
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You call that a feat?
He dropped to his knee after blocking..Didn’t use Hardening. Poor CoA.
Luffy needed to recharge his Haki & still was able to block Doffy’s Haki strings...
This saddens me tho. I learned to like the power up. But as @Hannibal Psyche mentioned. It’s a backhanded compliment from his family...Wano arc has so much stuff going on, I don’t think ODA had time for Sanji to monologu longer & deeper about accepting to use the RS...which would have been dope, if Sanji actually used it and defeated P1..Instead of just showing off it capabilities
So when did Sanji use Hardening?!
Wait the whole whole Paint Arrows...Rlly! Lol
I sincerely disagree, no mention or illustration of Sanji using Haki to block the arrows, so may just even be a chivalrous gag
ie.Sanji’s pose & heart eyes instead of deflecting the arrows...
Now we agree. But I’m willingly to reserve my judgement on the RS a little while longer. I like it’s capabilities but with how P1 has responded to its assault & Luffy’s elephant gun to the jaw...
Haki improvement is a must for Sanji. Reviewing the XDrake fight, Sanji never used hardening there either. So before I start to chant Sanji can’t beat high commanders, I’m gonna give him a chance to see if he rlly fight Black Maria or a commander and how he does.
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As I mentioned, I know a lot of people don't see it, but I really think it is the clearest case of it.
The situation in which it was used to shown to be pretty serious. Previous panels showed the destructive capabilities of the arrows. First the cargo on the ships, then shown injuring several samurai, clearly drawing blood from one. Sanji then uses his body, without aid from his Raid Suit, to protect Nami from the arrows since she can't reach the interior of the ship in time. No blood is drawn from Sanji as the arrows are deflected from his person and he has darkened features, that aren't shadows, on his facial features. Oda is not above making Sanji, or any Strawhat, bleed for a gag, so I don't see why this situation would be any different. Should also note, that this wouldn't even be the first time that Sanji's feats would be tied to a gag. Hell's Memories is one of his strongest moves and it's basically a gag of how angry he was from his experiences over the timeskip. And this was hinted at in Thriller Bark when he exploded in anger after he found out Nami was peeped on by someone that wasn't him.
Exactly, and that's why he needs Haki. He held the advantage over Page One, but he wasn't shown dealing lasting damage. He could cause pain, but not put him down. If he fights a Commander, he's going to need to put him down.
I know Oda will give him the chops, it's just a matter of when, in my opinion.
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All I want for Sanji is to fight a comander that is NOT A WOMAN. Given all the treatment Sanji has gotten since the time-skip I do nto have high faith that Sanji will get an awesome moment again. Sanji shoudl have used Haki when he had his white wedding pants, had he done that then we woudl have at least gotten a confirmation that Sanji can do a Black Buso.
Sanjis speciality is Observation but I still wished Oda could at least show he is strong enough to do a Balck Buso (the armament hardening).
So far Oda has only further added fuel on the fire that he hates Sanji. Not giving Sanji, who was suppsoe to be the Thrid Strongest Straw Hat (before Jinbei joined) and always fought someoen of high rank, a proper fight this Wano arc then I think the evidence will be clear.
He has rewritten Sanji character because he dislikes him.
Waiting and see will be the answer.
Sanjis speciality is Observation but I still wished Oda could at least show he is strong enough to do a Balck Buso (the armament hardening).
So far Oda has only further added fuel on the fire that he hates Sanji. Not giving Sanji, who was suppsoe to be the Thrid Strongest Straw Hat (before Jinbei joined) and always fought someoen of high rank, a proper fight this Wano arc then I think the evidence will be clear.
He has rewritten Sanji character because he dislikes him.
Waiting and see will be the answer.
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Yeah should be time for Sanji to get out of his predicament. I think Robin and Brook will be the one to help him do that as they're on their way to the castle. I'll be glad if Oda will let him fight either Queen or King.
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i feel like the sanji woman-gag would've worked better had it been more of a two-way street.
he can woo women adversaries after getting dragged a bit but it'd been nice if it didn't have to go that far.
like maybe he could throw them off their game as effortlessly as they do him (...it'd make his encounters with women less agonizing at least).
he can woo women adversaries after getting dragged a bit but it'd been nice if it didn't have to go that far.
like maybe he could throw them off their game as effortlessly as they do him (...it'd make his encounters with women less agonizing at least).