Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Rein Avara]

Nah, just stating what he said. You want to check SBS on what he said if your that confident?

I mean still difference is the uses on them as Enma is stated having it's own abilities and mind of it's own, so hard to say if that was skill or power of sword while RS it doesn't increase your power as his power is still his own or are you thinking 'invisibility' does when never been stated. Sanji still fighting with same Black Leg style and it's a feat on him for blocking attack and tanking it.

It does in those hints as you would think he is resistance more to attack given his body, but isn't as much. I can see fire being harmful to him on his side.

Can we please not misconstrue what the story is telling us.
Just because you love Sanji does not mean you have to downplay Zoro at every attempt (and the same thing goes vice versa).

Enma has been stated to draw out excessive amounts of Ryou from its user, and this is specifically why Zoro spent time pre-onigashima learning to control it so it wouldn't sap his Haki. It has been made extremely evident that Zoro is actively controlling his power output while using Enma, now bear in mind without Zoro's haki, Enma is essentially a useless weapon.

Regarding Sanji, the raid suit does increase his base stats; let's not act like it doesn't. He's stronger, faster, stealthier and more durable while using it; however, I don't see why we see this as a take away from Sanji. It's all about how Sanji utilises it. In the hands of someone weaker than Sanji, the Raidsuit would not have much value. Sanji himself has implied that without the Raidsuit, he would have taken much more damage from the likes of King.

Can you please show us where there are hints of Kaido being less resistant to fire in the manga?

 

[Nie Li]

Nah, just stating what he said. You want check SBS on what he said if your that confident?

I just ignore what you say when you say illogical nonsense like the rest of your post to favour Sanji, but in this line you're simply lying and you know I really don't like when you make things up.

I already told you what that SBS was about. Yes, I'm 100% confident.

 

[King Moe]

I just ignore what you say when you say illogical nonsense like the rest of your post to favour Sanji, but in this line you're simply lying and you know I really don't like when you make things up.

I already told you what that SBS was about. Yes, I'm 100% confident.

Not really. Again I provide evidence and stated to you and your even doubting SBS on what they stated about him, so I can't help you if you even ignore Oda's words too and think his word are 'headcannon'.

Nothing lying unless you see yourself to be one to be correct each time when your not.

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Can we please not misconstrue what the story is telling us.
Just because you love Sanji does not mean you have to downplay Zoro at every attempt (and the same thing goes vice versa).

Enma has been stated to draw out excessive amounts of Ryou from its user, and this is specifically why Zoro spent time pre-onigashima learning to control it so it wouldn't sap his Haki. It has been made extremely evident that Zoro is actively controlling his power output while using Enma, now bear in mind without Zoro's haki, Enma is essentially a useless weapon.

Regarding Sanji, the raid suit does increase his base stats; let's not act like it doesn't. He's stronger, faster, stealthier and more durable while using it; however, I don't see why we see this as a take away from Sanji. It's all about how Sanji utilises it. In the hands of someone weaker than Sanji, the Raidsuit would not have much value. Sanji himself has implied that without the Raidsuit, he would have taken much more damage from the likes of King.

Can you please show us where there are hints of Kaido being less resistant to fire in the manga?

It doesn't help when we see Enma in front of Big Mom's and Kaido's eyes though they refer to sword more over Zoro each time. So it heavily implying that sword has most abilities than it being on skill level especially if see attack Zoro did on Kaido. Only one cut, but don't see his other blades cut into his skin. So not saying it farfetched about the situation, but just stating how it looks there.

It does, but just saying attack power isn't given like his siblings and father, it is still his own power. It is made for stealth objectives as we seen the events he puts it on more, not for sake of power. I do agree on the fact on RS it wouldn't work for anyone as suit doesn't make you powerful and it more skill on how to use it.

During Raizo's attack and Luffy's fire attacks. Plus being Fish Fish Fruit, does hints on that fire can be harmful to him even if it is Mythical Zoan Fruit.

 

[Nie Li]

Not really. Again I provide evidence and stated to you and your even doubting SBS on what they stated about him, so I can't help you if you even ignore Oda's words too and think his word are 'headcannon'.

Nothing lying unless you see yourself to be one to be correct each time when your not.

You didn't provide any evidence, you liar. You made up some SBS and its contents. If it really says what you say it does, post it. Come on. Without changing your narrative, post it.

 

[King Moe]

You didn't provide any evidence, you liar. You made up some SBS and its contents. If it really says what you say it does, post it. Come on. Without changing your narrative, post it.

I have to find it. Though didn't you say you read it? If so why debate when he stated that SBS he can stop Big Mom's attack with force?

 

[M3J]

Provide. Proof. In. Manga.

So far it took him and Luffy to do that, and Luffy alone in Gear 4 couldn't do anything to Big Mom, so I doubt Sanji could.

 

[King Moe]

Provide. Proof. In. Manga.

So far it took him and Luffy to do that, and Luffy alone in Gear 4 couldn't do anything to Big Mom, so I doubt Sanji could.

Not he can beat Big Mom. Just he can go on handle attack of Yonko. SBS if I remember was in the early 90s. I have check on that to show it here. Give me a bit.

 

[M3J]

Not this again. I'm talking about being able to block/handle an emperor's attack, and he can't do that.

 

[King Moe]

Not this again. I'm talking about being able to block/handle an emperor's attack, and he can't do that.

I know conversation. Though Oda made statement in SBS he did use his power whether with or without Luffy on stoop her attack. Just saying like for example Zoro and Killer, he can be good support for his Captain.

 

[Moss Green]

Not he can beat Big Mom. Just he can go on handle attack of Yonko. SBS if I remember was in the early 90s. I have check on that to show it here. Give me a bit.

The early 90s lol. @King Moe your commitment to trolling is top notch. You’re the life-blood of this forum

 

[Nie Li]

I have to find it. Though didn't you say you read it? If so why debate when he stated that SBS he can stop Big Mom's attack with force?

No SBS says what you're saying it says. I know what SBS you're talking about: there's one SBS that talks about that scene between Big Mom, Luffy and Sanji, but it does not say what you claim.

Not he can beat Big Mom. Just he can go on handle attack of Yonko. SBS if I remember was in the early 90s. I have check on that to show it here. Give me a bit.

I hope you meant the early 90th SBS and not the early 90s as the decade (which is what I first understood you meant, not gonna lie lol).

Anyway. You won't find proof of what you're saying, because what you're saying is wrong. Now, never again use that argument or post proof. Actual proof, not just saying "I read it somewhere".

 

[Deleted member 169696]

Volume 94 SBS

D: Oda-sensei I have a critical matter to report. On P23 of Volume 87 Sanji kicked Big Mom right? What happened to the Sanji that would never hit a woman? P.N. Momotaro Hunter

O: Yes. I was actually asked this countless times but you’re wrong! Big Mom was firing off a punch that was about to hit Reiju so Sanji and Luffy were just trying to stop it. That’s the kind of scene that it was. Would they be able to so easily catch a punch from Big Mom!? Its impossible!! That’s why he had to use a kick to kill the power of the punch!! That’s why this was completely in self-defence, it wasn’t an act of violence against a woman!! Sanji’s policy still stands!!

The early 90s lol. @King Moe your commitment to trolling is top notch. You’re the life-blood of this forum

He meant the volumes. It is from the SBS in Volume 94.

 

[King Moe]

The early 90s lol. @King Moe your commitment to trolling is top notch. You’re the life-blood of this forum

Volumes 90s? You do know Volumes are number? Didn't know Volumes aren't numbered. Must be trolling despite Volumes are numbered in real life. Where did you come from btw? I have idea given your name though.

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No SBS says what you're saying it says. I know what SBS you're talking about: there's one SBS that talks about that scene between Big Mom, Luffy and Sanji, but it does not say what you claim.


I hope you meant the early 90th SBS and not the early 90s as the decade (which is what I first understood you meant, not gonna lie lol).

Anyway. You won't find proof of what you're saying, because what you're saying is wrong. Now, never again use that argument or post proof. Actual proof, not just saying "I read it somewhere".

Volume 94 SBS

D: Oda-sensei I have a critical matter to report. On P23 of Volume 87 Sanji kicked Big Mom right? What happened to the Sanji that would never hit a woman? P.N. Momotaro Hunter

O: Yes. I was actually asked this countless times but you’re wrong! Big Mom was firing off a punch that was about to hit Reiju so Sanji and Luffy were just trying to stop it. That’s the kind of scene that it was. Would they be able to so easily catch a punch from Big Mom!? Its impossible!! That’s why he had to use a kick to kill the power of the punch!! That’s why this was completely in self-defence, it wasn’t an act of violence against a woman!! Sanji’s policy still stands!!



He meant the volumes. It is from the SBS in Volume 94.

Well @Pea just posted for me on it, so yeah I must have made up the words by Oda especially him stating that. Though you like denying even Oda's statements as canon unless he state it into somewhere you feel is the 'canon'. So think your going to denied this anyway. Though yeah here it is. Oda state it was his own power to stop the attack, not just Luffy or that Luffy took most of it, but more on him.

Idk where you been reading, but again I don't back things that aren't true. You got brush up on checking stuff where it stated instead of accusing someone for headcannon when we reading same series here. You act like I don't try to check even SBS or any canon source of information, when I do on each of my points.

 

[Nie Li]

Well @Pea just posted for me on it, so yeah I must have made up the words by Oda especially him stating that. Though you like denying even Oda's statements as canon unless he state it into somewhere you feel is the 'canon'. So think your going to denied this anyway. Though yeah here it is. Oda state it was his own power to stop the attack, not just Luffy or that Luffy took most of it, but more on him.

Idk where you been reading, but again I don't back things that aren't true. You got brush up on checking stuff where it stated instead of accusing someone for headcannon when we reading same series here. You act like I don't try to check even SBS or any canon source of information, when I do on each of my points.

Do you realize the SBS that he posted does not say what you say it does, right?

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Volume 94 SBS

D: Oda-sensei I have a critical matter to report. On P23 of Volume 87 Sanji kicked Big Mom right? What happened to the Sanji that would never hit a woman? P.N. Momotaro Hunter

O: Yes. I was actually asked this countless times but you’re wrong! Big Mom was firing off a punch that was about to hit Reiju so Sanji and Luffy were just trying to stop it. That’s the kind of scene that it was. Would they be able to so easily catch a punch from Big Mom!? Its impossible!! That’s why he had to use a kick to kill the power of the punch!! That’s why this was completely in self-defence, it wasn’t an act of violence against a woman!! Sanji’s policy still stands!!

Oda is saying that Sanji had to use his kicking strength to stop the punch because a simple block wouldn't have sufficed; it's simply explaining why he threw a kick. It does not say nor even hint that Sanji could match her punching power alone.

Ignoring what Oda is saying with the paragraph and what he's answering to, to focus on that single short sentence out of context is beyond selective reading.

As we saw in the very same panel Oda is talking about, it took Sanji's DJ kick + G3 Luffy attacking together to stop that punch.

So indeed, @King Moe, you're talking nonsense and making things up. Please don't even try to insist on twisting Oda's words even further. A healthy debate becomes impossible if we let that be.

 

[Moss Green]

Volumes 90s? You do know Volumes are number? Didn't know Volumes aren't numbered. Must be trolling despite Volumes are numbered in real life. Where did you come from btw? I have idea given your name though.

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Well @Pea just posted for me on it, so yeah I must have made up the words by Oda especially him stating that. Though you like denying even Oda's statements as canon unless he state it into somewhere you feel is the 'canon'. So think your going to denied this anyway. Though yeah here it is. Oda state it was his own power to stop the attack, not just Luffy or that Luffy took most of it, but more on him.

Idk where you been reading, but again I don't back things that aren't true. You got brush up on checking stuff where it stated instead of accusing someone for headcannon when we reading same series here. You act like I don't try to check even SBS or any canon source of information, when I do on each of my points.

Yes Moe-kun the early 90s, as in you clearly knew where it was yet chose not to post it and “explain Oda’s words”. Pirate King tier trolling

 

[catagon87]

I think one thing we're forgetting is that that punch from Big Mom is irrelevant. It isn't a good indicator of "can block a hit from a yonko". Even if someone blocked it single-handedly, it's clear that if it had been a COC-infused attack (which it doesn't seem to be) that it would have knocked both Luffy and Sanji out in a single blow.

I would argue that at the point in the manga we are discussing here, that no single Straw Hat could have handled a full-on blow from a Yonko. Big Mom was clearly going easy on them based on what we've seen of her.

Note: Before you are all up on my ass about this Moe, consider that I said "no single Straw Hat" (which includes Zoro), and that Luffy and Sanji would have been knocked out by a COC infused attack. Please spare me the usual boilerplate stuff.

 

[Nie Li]

I think one thing we're forgetting is that that punch from Big Mom is irrelevant. It isn't a good indicator of "can block a hit from a yonko". Even if someone blocked it single-handedly, it's clear that if it had been a COC-infused attack (which it doesn't seem to be) that it would have knocked both Luffy and Sanji out in a single blow.

I would argue that at the point in the manga we are discussing here, that no single Straw Hat could have handled a full-on blow from a Yonko. Big Mom was clearly going easy on them based on what we've seen of her.

Note: Before you are all up on my ass about this Moe, consider that I said "no single Straw Hat" (which includes Zoro), and that Luffy and Sanji would have been knocked out by a COC infused attack. Please spare me the usual boilerplate stuff.

That's also a very good observation: Luffy and Sanji together used DJ and G3 to stop a single hit from Big Mom going easy on them.

Later on that same arc arc Big Mom casually blocked (with black armament) G4 punches from Luffy, without breaking a sweat.

 

[catagon87]

That's also a very good observation: Luffy and Sanji together used DJ and G3 to stop a single hit from Big Mom going easy on them.

Later on that same arc arc Big Mom casually blocked (with black armament) G4 punches from Luffy, without breaking a sweat.

Yeah. We've seen how scary she can be. When she's in control of herself I think she holds back her power quite a bit. Not to quote Bleach, since I hated like 50% of that series, but I recall Aizen saying something about how "using his full power on an ant is a waste". The same reason you or I wouldn't full on drop-kick a cockroach. She wanted to capture them, and make a public show of their execution for the world (Morgans) to see.

When she's out of control, she doesn't utilize the same level of restraint, and does stuff like knock Queen out for a few seconds, or one-shot Page One (who we know to be sturdy as hell).

 

[XXGenesis]

This is becoming special education.

like seriously. We are dissecting the simplest pages & scenes, these days. Just to prove obvious delusional statements wrong. When does it stop.

 

[Rein Avara]

This is becoming special education.

like seriously. We are dissecting the simplest pages & scenes, these days. Just to prove obvious delusional statements wrong. When does it stop.

I think we have proved all that we have to prove at this point, anything more is sheer folly.

I suggest we move on from this topic.