Discussion Spriggan 12 General Thread

[Doughboy]

'Seals' or something can make sense to me. Just like the Oracion Seis sealed Zero in Brain (once all 6 were down Zero awakened). But still that doesn't explain why 12 (the number) are specifically needed... it just reminds me of the Celestial Spirits.

Yeah I know, it's a loose ass theory. I have no idea though, I would say it's for a group attack but not sure, that's too simple.

 

[Static]

@Brandish Brandish being related to Lucy is fine for me. It's because of how her character was executed that really got on my nerves so if that was fixed, then I wouldn't mind the connection between the two .

I'd still prefer keeping Invel over Dimaria though because I honestly don't like Dimaria's personality / character at all, though admittedly, she has a great appearance

Also, I would make the 6 of these Spriggans (i.e in my list) more stronger than their manga-selves as it would make a good compromise for the reduction in numbers.

 

[Mori takai]

what happen to the old 12 the foreshadowing chapter back in the earlier stages of this arc, there was a big dude with a cat whatever happen to that ?
the guys we have now just suck both in looks and in power.

 

[Arjuna]

Talking about 6 Spriggans, which Spriggans would you like there to be in the manga if there were only 6? My choices would be :

1) August
2) Irene (would not make her related to Erza at all)
3) Invel
4) God Serena
5) Larcade (but I would not make him a Dragneel, maybe related to Zeref somehow but NOT AT ALL a Dragneel)
6) Brandish (I wouldn't make her a plot-convenient too i.e shrinking and saving FT members' lives all the time and again, not related to Lucy)

Neinhart
The manga is incomplete without him.
Joking apart
August
Irene
Larcade
Dimaria
Brandish
Wahl Icht

 

[Static]

Ok, so after last chapter I would not make Larcade at all (he can just get erased from existence for all I care -___-) :

New list :

August
Irene
God Serena
Invel
Dimaria
Wahl

 

[Demon Hunter]

basically only those who are strong and more versatile

August
Irene
Wall
God Serena
Bloodman
Brandish or DiMaria

Invel, Jacob, Larcade and Neintrash are all trash.

 

[Static]

basically only those who are strong and more versatile

August
Irene
Wall
God Serena
Bloodman
Brandish or DiMaria

Invel, Jacob, Larcade and Neintrash are all trash.

Those who are called Invel, Jacob and Larcade are trash but those who are called Neintrash are even more trash xD

But no in all seriously, most of the Spriggans are trash for me. Only ones not trash are August, Irene...and well, that's it.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Those who are called Invel, Jacob and Larcade are trash but those who are called Neintrash are even more trash xD

But no in all seriously, most of the Spriggans are trash for me. Only ones not trash are August, Irene...and well, that's it.

Wall, God Serena and Bloodman had big potential because they are more versatile(9 DS elements, Weakness with bunch of other elements and weaponry, 9 curses). they are not limited to only one type of magic like Invel(Ice), Jacob(assassin type), Larcade(orgasm is just NO, don't care if he has other magic), Neintrash because he is..... well trash though his Historia can be deadly.

they turned out to be disappointed. since this is our 6 then I would place those 6 because of potential they had/have.

 

[Brandish μ]

I really didn't want to bring this up, because I don't like this Pleasure magic of Larcade's...

But remember when @DiMaria Yesta was rescued by Larcade he used Pleasure magic on those 2 fodders...

Spoiler

These guys were probably wizards, just heaps weak.

So I just wanted to point out...

• These fodders were taken out quick, unlike the much stronger wizards in 508. We seen some get dropped badly (like Sorano), and then there was Irene who resisted it the best along with Zeref (assuming August hasn't sampled pleasure).
• DiMaria was blushing... is it confirmed she 'sampled pleasure'? She didn't have the soul streams coming off of her, but it was all over quickly, so it could have still affected Mari.
• If the second point isn't true, then Larcade can target people specifically without the Tentacles. So Tentacles might be needed for those who haven't sampled pleasure. When there is a managable number of opponents, who have tasted pleasure, then he can target people. For when there are a vast number of opponents, he has to use that orgasm version of Fairy Law, which is indiscriminate.

 

[Ebony Maw]

@atomic_2000 This is a cool idea, I'd keep:

1) Bradman
2) August
3) Irene
4) Wahl
5) Goddy
6) DiMaria

Assuming they all have their backgrounds explored these would be the most interesting as we'd learn:

1) The background of how long Bradman has served Zeref, when he was created and what he knows about E.N.D
2) How August came to know so much magic, why he's so dedicated to Zeref and if he ever doubted him
3) When Irene was found by Zeref and why she allied with him
4) How Wahl came to know Zeref and why he left the Machias
5) Why he left the GOI (this should have been covered anyway), whether he knew Zeref was the head of Alvarez and how he sees the other Spriggans
6) We'd get to explore further into her past and see what her upbringing was like as a vessel of Chronos

 

[Kyubi]

what happen to the old 12 the foreshadowing chapter back in the earlier stages of this arc, there was a big dude with a cat whatever happen to that ?
the guys we have now just suck both in looks and in power.

It's obvious this silhouette was Mashima's initial plans and they changed along the way, they are about 3-4 shadows there that never showed up. I'd have liked to see the sprig next to Invel, looks female and I kinda like her design.

Spriggans I'd keep:
Irene
August
Brandish
Wahl
God Serena (he's corny and I like the humour he brought lol)]
Bradman

Dimaria would have been on that list when she first showed up, but her descent from cool chick to annoying psycho kinda ruins her.

 

[T.C.]

Oracion six
7 kin of purgatory
9 demon gates
Spriggan 12
Next will be 15 mages who are supposedly dragon king level

That aside, my ranking would be

1) August: imo most impressive and likable spriggan by far

2) Wahl: versatile fighting style mixed with chill personality

3) Serena: we didnt see much of him though and his deaths were cringey

4) Invel: suffered one of the most humiliating defeats among the spriggan but before that he was alright

5) Irene: her abilities and sadistic personality are smth else but what throws me off is her relation to Erza and how she is basically just there to make Erza relevant in this arc. I admit its kinda unfair to rank Irene based on that but it is what it is

6) Ajeel: luckily he had his fight against Erza back when Hiro actually gave a shit about this arc and the spriggan so it ended up being the best fight in this arc so far. I dont really like this guy but i prefer him over the following ones

7) Dimaria: wields very haxed time manipulation magic and a god soul takeover, yet couldnt get shit done

8) Bradman: his entrance was badass but his abilities are just a 9 demon gates ripoff and his unique ability couldnt even take out Levy. His suicidal effort to kill Gajeel was also in vain

9) Jacob: supposedly an assassin, albeit a really shitty one, who possesses magic to teleport his opponents to a different dimension (which he for some reason doesnt use against Mirajane). Got stomped by Natsu and cant look at naked women. He is not to be taken seriously

10) Larcade: he is still relevant and hasnt been fleshed out so far but the nature of his magic is an absolute joke and the fact that he is a dragneel who just appeared out of nowhere doesnt help his reputation either

11) Brandish: its amazing how Hiro managed to ruin this character since she made her first entrance. Her magic is overpowered but thats pretty much the only good thing that can be said about her now. The amount of times she got humiliated in this arc is nigh infinite and who knows whats still to come. She calls herself a "loyal citizen of Alvarez" but there is nothing to back that claim up

12) Neinhart: Had the honour to play the lead role in the milestone chapter 500 (which was hilariously bad) , where he managed to get two-shotted by a base Natsu despite surpassing even the limits of his magic

Bad characters make for a bad arc and the spriggan as a whole sure fall into that category.
If i were to keep 6 spriggans, it would be the first 5 in my list and Brandish (for plot purposes)

 

[Arjuna]

I really didn't want to bring this up, because I don't like this Pleasure magic of Larcade's...

But remember when @DiMaria Yesta was rescued by Larcade he used Pleasure magic on those 2 fodders...

Spoiler

These guys were probably wizards, just heaps weak.

So I just wanted to point out...

• These fodders were taken out quick, unlike the much stronger wizards in 508. We seen some get dropped badly (like Sorano), and then there was Irene who resisted it the best along with Zeref (assuming August hasn't sampled pleasure).
• DiMaria was blushing... is it confirmed she 'sampled pleasure'? She didn't have the soul streams coming off of her, but it was all over quickly, so it could have still affected Mari.
• If the second point isn't true, then Larcade can target people specifically without the Tentacles. So Tentacles might be needed for those who haven't sampled pleasure. When there is a managable number of opponents, who have tasted pleasure, then he can target people. For when there are a vast number of opponents, he has to use that orgasm version of Fairy Law, which is indiscriminate.

Well Dimaria didn't show any pleasure like Zeref or Mavis or Irene.You are cruel Randy you should know.After seeing your husband after a long time any woman will blush.

 

[Tempus Fugit]

My currently ranking is:

1. God Serena
2. Wahl
3. Bloodman
4. Brandish
5. Dimaria
6. August
7. Irene
8. Larcade
9. Invel
10. Neinhart
11. Ajeel
12. Jacob

Larcade can reach another position, maybe 5th or 6th but never in my top 4 because they are irremovable, or otherwise become lower depending of his development.

 

[Kyroux]

This is my personal favorite......kind of coincides with the manga, I guess.

1. August
2. Irene
3. Larcade
4. God Serena
5. Invel
6. Dimaria or Brandish
7. Brandish or Dimaria
8. Wall
9. Bloodman
10. Ajeel
11. Jacob
12. Neinhart

From 6-12 not 100% on how I really feel about that placement but it seems ok to me for right now.

 

[Mediv]

Hmph, let's see...
1) August, he's just a normal and classic mage in manga about mages (ha-ha) outside of few like Zeref, Rufus, Mavis, Jellal, Makarov, Brain, Hades and Irene
2) God Serena, I just like him very bad, one of the greatest introdaction in series from last arc
3) Irene, like August she's great example of ordinary (ha-ha) mage in world of melee fighters calling themselves wizards
4) Neinhart, actually I like him cause he's not as great as other Spriggan, he's weak and just pawn but with great abilities
5/6) Wall, very nice guy, he don't like red lightning just like me
5/6) Bloodman, one man guild from previous arc
And I must add that I really don't like single sided or single element concept of mages, so Ajeel, Invel and Larcade are missed in list but they have nice characters in context
Also Brandish and DiMaria are terrible characters, DiMaria, from start of arc have my love but then ... In Brandish case she's just "turn ally from enemy" character
Jacob is comic refief but he may be on 7th place

 

[Brandish μ]

Also with Larcade's magic, his CQC is frightening.

He uses 2 fingers (the second time he does it there is a panel dedicated to it) to stop an incoming attack... and it looks near effortless. Then his other hand can 'do something'. He was able to slash at Kagura... it is either
- a transfer of the attack
- a transfer of the damage

Those sound the same, but they're not. If it's the 'attack', then a slayer who uses their element to attack Larcade, will then be hit with their own element, and therefore have less damage (than say another mage like Kagura).

Also, if 2 hands are important, than this ability of Larcade's won't be ideal for multiple opponents. But, since he is OP, he probably has other ways of fighting so he's good against numbers.

 

[Arjuna]

Also with Larcade's magic, his CQC is frightening.

He uses 2 fingers (the second time he does it there is a panel dedicated to it) to stop an incoming attack... and it looks near effortless. Then his other hand can 'do something'. He was able to slash at Kagura... it is either
- a transfer of the attack
- a transfer of the damage

Those sound the same, but they're not. If it's the 'attack', then a slayer who uses their element to attack Larcade, will then be hit with their own element, and therefore have less damage (than say another mage like Kagura).

Also, if 2 hands are important, than this ability of Larcade's won't be ideal for multiple opponents. But, since he is OP, he probably has other ways of fighting so he's good against numbers.

So you are saying that he is like Meliodas and using Full Counter.I checked the Wiki and there it says that Larcade slashed with pure physical strength without using any magic.

 

[Static]

So you are saying that he is like Meliodas and using Full Counter.I checked the Wiki and there it says that Larcade slashed with pure physical strength without using any magic.

Well the wiki can be wrong, after all its edited by people and right now there is no proof that he slashed at her. Could be he redirected the attack too.

 

[Brandish μ]

So you are saying that he is like Meliodas and using Full Counter.I checked the Wiki and there it says that Larcade slashed with pure physical strength without using any magic.

I'm not saying for sure, but it's kind of similar to Full Counter. (and that was just my guess judging from a brief fight)

I would disagree with Wiki on that, mainly because we didn't see Larcade do anything other than move his arms. But, because he stopped the sword with his fingers, it's possible his physical strength is on an extraordinary level.