Discussion Spriggan 12 Magic

[Arjuna]

Dimaria's Sword has something like a Clock or regulator on it's handle.She can click her teeth and stop Time.May Be Her Sword Helps Her.

 

[BluePegasus]

Since Di Maria can stop time, why didn't she invade Fairy Tail and kill all the members?

 

[Verter]

Since Di Maria can stop time, why didn't she invade Fairy Tail and kill all the members?

This spell should have range. If u remember Zeref used this spell too, in Tartarus arc.

 

[Holt]

Plot. Or maybe her magic won't hold out long enough for her to get there and kill everyone. There's probably a limit to how long she can stop time.

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This spell should have range. If u remember Zeref used this spell too, in Tartarus arc.

I actually forgot about that. It shouldn't be an issue of range though. Dimaria said she's the only one can move in that world when she stops time so it shouldn't be limited but perhaps the she can't keep it up for too long.

 

[Verter]

Well =) I suggested some range, coz stop time in entire universe sounds kinda unbelievable for "casual" spriggan.

P.S. I think it's metaphor... likes "it's my world, I'm the God here etc" (as Ajeel said about his sand world).

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Also Ultear named it as "prison", so it should have some borders which separate it from other world. And borders are range. Imho, ofc )

 

[reesestl]

Anyone thinks Lucy's Horologium can protect her from Dimaria's attack through its Automatic Danger REsponse mode as in Tenrou arc?He may be unaffected by Dimaria's magic as he is a celestial spirit and also connected to time?

 

[Arjuna]

I Have a Feeling Neinhart's Magic is Knightly i.e. He is a Knight.Reasons:-
i)The Time we had last seen him in Chapter 466 We see Weapons beside him.Knight uses Different Types of Weapons like Erza.
ii)Neinhart's Soldiers Dress Like Knights and Their Magic is similar To Knights.We have seen Soldiers Attire similar To Their Leaders like Ajeel Squad.

 

[Vici]

I Have a Feeling Neinhart's Magic is Knightly i.e. He is a Knight.Reasons:-
i)The Time we had last seen him in Chapter 466 We see Weapons beside him.Knight uses Different Types of Weapons like Erza.
ii)Neinhart's Soldiers Dress Like Knights and Their Magic is similar To Knights.We have seen Soldiers Attire similar To Their Leaders like Ajeel Squad.

Yeah i would love him to fight with weapon to his left :P but he may be also a water type wizard then he would be at advantage even against 3 strong s class wizards .

 

[BluePegasus]

I must admit Di Maria's magic is kinda overrated. Even though the Spriggans should be at least stronger than any mage in Ishgar in my opinion, her Time Magic is overpowered.

If Di Maria truly can stop time without any limitations, she is undefeatable. She could easily kill any hunan or other being. Her magic is really hax and it made me rate the other Spriggans below her. I'm less impressed by Spriggans since I've seen her magic, which I don't like.

In my opinion, it was enough if Di Maria only could use her God Soul without the time stop ability. I was impressed by her Age Scratch and time beams. Her ability to stop time wasn't needed, it kinda ruined the reputation from the other Spriggans for me. Every time I see a Spriggan I'm like: "Well, he is strong, but not as strong as Di Maria".

Anyway, Mashima didn't show the limitations. I hope think her magic had limitations, like she can use it for a brief time or in a close distance. Otherwise, Di Maria should be the strongest creature in the whole Fairy Tail universe..

 

[Aizen]

I must admit Di Maria's magic is kinda overrated. Even though the Spriggans should be at least stronger than any mage in Ishgar in my opinion, her Time Magic is overpowered.

If Di Maria truly can stop time without any limitations, she is undefeatable. She could easily kill any hunan or other being. Her magic is really hax and it made me rate the other Spriggans below her. I'm less impressed by Spriggans since I've seen her magic, which I don't like.

In my opinion, it was enough if Di Maria only could use her God Soul without the time stop ability. I was impressed by her Age Scratch and time beams. Her ability to stop time wasn't needed, it kinda ruined the reputation from the other Spriggans for me. Every time I see a Spriggan I'm like: "Well, he is strong, but not as strong as Di Maria".

Anyway, Mashima didn't show the limitations. I hope think her magic had limitations, like she can use it for a brief time or in a close distance. Otherwise, Di Maria should be the strongest creature in the whole Fairy Tail universe..

i can see your points here it is hard to say any of the other Spriggans magic is as op as Dimaria's Age Seal and while i agree without Ultear it is hard to see anyone beating her with that active i don't necessarily think she could beat anyone even if Age Seal works on everyone whether they be a Dragon or human or whatever which is something we don't really know for sure, She has shown nothing for me that would convince me she could damage Acnologia or Zeref they seem like they require extremely specific conditions just to damage and i just don't see her having those abilities personally. i also can see why seeing a Spriggan like Dimaria with such a non grounded ability could turn you off to the other Spriggans i personally don't look at it quite that way though, i look forward to every Spriggan showing there worth and none have disappointed me power wise at least as of yet.

 

[Kiki]

I must admit Di Maria's magic is kinda overrated. Even though the Spriggans should be at least stronger than any mage in Ishgar in my opinion, her Time Magic is overpowered.

If Di Maria truly can stop time without any limitations, she is undefeatable. She could easily kill any hunan or other being. Her magic is really hax and it made me rate the other Spriggans below her. I'm less impressed by Spriggans since I've seen her magic, which I don't like.

In my opinion, it was enough if Di Maria only could use her God Soul without the time stop ability. I was impressed by her Age Scratch and time beams. Her ability to stop time wasn't needed, it kinda ruined the reputation from the other Spriggans for me. Every time I see a Spriggan I'm like: "Well, he is strong, but not as strong as Di Maria".

Anyway, Mashima didn't show the limitations. I hope think her magic had limitations, like she can use it for a brief time or in a close distance. Otherwise, Di Maria should be the strongest creature in the whole Fairy Tail universe..

Imho the limitations are:
1. Another fellow time wizard or time magic. Sample time wizard is Ultear in this case.
2. Her opponent's durability/defense. Zeref and Acnologia can't be one-shotted by her I think. Also, things like Ajeel's sand body and Juvia's water body should be counted.
3. Mashima not giving scope and time limit doesn't mean her magic is limitless.

 

[Arjuna]

I have a Feeling That The Third Woman Spriggan Can Move Very Fast.She has Feather on Her Shoe which is The Same as Hermes's Shoe.So Her Magic is moving Very Fast.Racer can be a Good Match For Her.

 

[reesestl]

I have a Feeling That The Third Woman Spriggan Can Move Very Fast.She has Feather on Her Shoe which is The Same as Hermes's Shoe.So Her Magic is moving Very Fast.Racer can be a Good Match For Her.

If indeed that happens, Mira is also there. Maybe they will team up this time to take her down.

 

[Nemispelled]

I predict that August's magic will be Galaxy Magic.

After looking into the month of August, I found that the Perseid meteor shower peaks in the months of July and August.

Plus, if August has control of the satellites, then that would definitely explain why he was able to detect the frequency waves from Warren's radar.

Not to mention, I can definitely see August doing some universal magic/spells.

For example, asteroid and meteor showers, solar eclipses, lunar eclipse, shift of gravitational orbit, and comet explosions.

In my opinion, that magic would prove to be formidable and would explain why August is feared by most people.

 

[BluePegasus]

I predict that August's magic will be Galaxy Magic.

After looking into the month of August, I found that the Perseid meteor shower peaks in the months of July and August.

Plus, if August has control of the satellites, then that would definitely explain why he was able to detect the frequency waves from Warren's radar.

Not to mention, I can definitely see August doing some universal magic/spells.

For example, asteroid and meteor showers, solar eclipses, lunar eclipse, shift of gravitational orbit, and comet explosions.

In my opinion, that magic would prove to be formidable and would explain why August is feared by most people.

I must admit that would be nice. But Jellal already uses some spells like that. Even though I never really understood his 'Heavenly Body Magic', most of his spells has something to do with galaxy.

 

[Kiki]

I am confused about Neinhart's magic. Is it similar to necromancy as it allows the resurrected people have their own will, independent MP, etc? Or they depend on the summoner? Keyes said that it's dissimilar to necromancy so I assume that all summoned wizards are powered by Neinhart's own MP (personal comment: he is damn strong! Able to power such strong wizards). If those summoned people are indeed powered by him, they all depend on Neinhart and his MP. So their performance is not as good as the original version. I suspect as his name is "ナインハルト" (Katakana), it can be interpreted as some names, such as "Neinhart", "Nineheart" (nine hearts), etc. The latter fits the number of people he summoned: 1. Simon 2. Ikaruga 3. Azuma 4. Kyouka 5. Ur 6. Zancrow 7. Keyes 8. Precht 9. Ezel. Precise! Dunno this coincidence, maybe he can only make 9 people? Erza had more opponent because that's probably the closer you get to him the more the number of opponents you have (common sense I guess?).

 

[Arjuna]

I am confused about Neinhart's magic. Is it similar to necromancy as it allows the resurrected people have their own will, independent MP, etc? Or they depend on the summoner? Keyes said that it's dissimilar to necromancy so I assume that all summoned wizards are powered by Neinhart's own MP (personal comment: he is damn strong! Able to power such strong wizards). If those summoned people are indeed powered by him, they all depend on Neinhart and his MP. So their performance is not as good as the original version. I suspect as his name is "ナインハルト" (Katakana), it can be interpreted as some names, such as "Neinhart", "Nineheart" (nine hearts), etc. The latter fits the number of people he summoned: 1. Simon 2. Ikaruga 3. Azuma 4. Kyouka 5. Ur 6. Zancrow 7. Keyes 8. Precht 9. Ezel. Precise! Dunno this coincidence, maybe he can only make 9 people? Erza had more opponent because that's probably the closer you get to him the more the number of opponents you have (common sense I guess?).

I think it's different from Necromancy.In Necromancy you make dead people alive.Whereas Neinhart seems to create Fighters from memory but they are not real people.

 

[Brandish μ]

I am confused about Neinhart's magic. Is it similar to necromancy as it allows the resurrected people have their own will, independent MP, etc? Or they depend on the summoner? Keyes said that it's dissimilar to necromancy so I assume that all summoned wizards are powered by Neinhart's own MP (personal comment: he is damn strong! Able to power such strong wizards). If those summoned people are indeed powered by him, they all depend on Neinhart and his MP. So their performance is not as good as the original version. I suspect as his name is "ナインハルト" (Katakana), it can be interpreted as some names, such as "Neinhart", "Nineheart" (nine hearts), etc. The latter fits the number of people he summoned: 1. Simon 2. Ikaruga 3. Azuma 4. Kyouka 5. Ur 6. Zancrow 7. Keyes 8. Precht 9. Ezel. Precise! Dunno this coincidence, maybe he can only make 9 people? Erza had more opponent because that's probably the closer you get to him the more the number of opponents you have (common sense I guess?).

We should find out more about Neinhart's magic in the coming chapters.

So far it's not the same as Keith's necromancy as you've stated.

What I am sure of is that the memories of the life of those he summons are intact. Azuma and Ikaruga's chat leads me to believe this.

The parts that are unknown or speculative are:
1) the power of the summons
2) how many can Neinhart summon

For point (1) I do believe at this stage the summons are the same power level as they were near their death. There isn't any reason to believe so far that they are stronger. What we haven't seen is anyone attack these summons. They could be quite easy to defeat, or maybe they're as durable as they were before death Or, if they're like the Naruto re-animations, they could regenerate. I also don't know how strong of summons Neinhart can make. Wahl is dead I assume, he could have made him. Or maybe Wahl is stronger than Neinhart, or too strong a summon.

Point (2) I like the theory you've come up with. Neinhart refers to his magic as 'magic of the heart'. His name could just be a name and nothing meaningful, but I'm supporting that theory for now.

 

[Axiomus]

I am confused about Neinhart's magic. Is it similar to necromancy as it allows the resurrected people have their own will, independent MP, etc? Or they depend on the summoner? Keyes said that it's dissimilar to necromancy so I assume that all summoned wizards are powered by Neinhart's own MP (personal comment: he is damn strong! Able to power such strong wizards). If those summoned people are indeed powered by him, they all depend on Neinhart and his MP. So their performance is not as good as the original version. I suspect as his name is "ナインハルト" (Katakana), it can be interpreted as some names, such as "Neinhart", "Nineheart" (nine hearts), etc. The latter fits the number of people he summoned: 1. Simon 2. Ikaruga 3. Azuma 4. Kyouka 5. Ur 6. Zancrow 7. Keyes 8. Precht 9. Ezel. Precise! Dunno this coincidence, maybe he can only make 9 people? Erza had more opponent because that's probably the closer you get to him the more the number of opponents you have (common sense I guess?).

Crunchyroll translations sheds some light on the issue. It says that Neinhart's Historia is magic that takes the memories in peoples hearts and gives them flesh. I think Neinhart's magic works like this:

> Reads memories of his targets
> Identifies a powerful warrior from the target's memories
> If Neinhart has enough magical power, creates a body for those memories to manifest.

I don't think Neinhart has the power to raise people stronger than himself, or summon people whom the target doesn't have a memory of. It might even be possible to alter your memory of someone to make them weaker of stronger.

 

[Ebony Maw]

Out of interest what do you guys think the last spriggans magic will be? This is ignoring the guy next to Bradman so there's no point basing it on appearance. Personally I think he'll be some sort of defensive magic that can also be used as an offensive magic, a bit like Reflector in that sense.