i have to disagree that Age Seal works against Laxus and Wahl... main reasons 1.Laxus is above Dimaria in every aspect..and why Dimaria is not the strongest if she can Stop the time in seconds and kill all the spriggans including (August and Irene)??? and how August or irene can defend against Age Seal when Dimaria can use it in seconds?
I would not use clock in that situation to measure that but Kagura (
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) and @DiMaria Yesta pointed out if Dimaria stops time here :
) Reacting to it :
( meaning they all stops 
) < If Dimaria stops time in ch. 472 and it looks that way 
And I have to disagree here on that.
She could still be on the battlefield and be outside the reach of Age Seal. It really depends on whether or not Kagura is close enough to DiMaria, and the shape of her Age Seal. The clock for example could be closer to DiMaria than Kagura, and Kagura could still be out of town (if Age Seal is the shape of a circle, and Kagura is running South of DiMaria while Wahl is East). We do know for a fact that if Kagura is caught in age Seal, then so is Wahl/Laxus.
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with this logic Dimaria is strongest because August or Irene doesent have feats to react in seconds against AGE SEAL....I would not use clock in that situation to measure that but Kagura (
Just like you agree (
Then it reaches also Laxus and Wahl battle because when the battle continues we saw Kagura ( And Erza
Kagura is still on the outside of Hargeon ( Judging from the ground ) and here clock returns if Age Seal reach town then it reaches Kagura position as well so it pretty obvious that she couldn't react for Laxus and Wahl fight while been stopped
And I have to disagree here on that.
Let's go just like you said that Laxus is above Dimaria ( i don't wanna start holy war here by discuss it as well :P ) in every aspect but it didn't mean that Dimaria magic wouldn't have an affect on him either way.
We saw weaker mages affecting stronger mages with they magic :
Marin- Erza/Lucy/Jacob
Aria- His Metsu took out Makarov ( drain all his magic or something like that :P )
Meldy-She was able to link herself without problems with stronger mages than her
Freed-During Battle of FT
Evergreen-She petrified Erza during Battle of FT
Bickslow ( he was bellow Rustyrose during Tenrou Arc ) - Despell Rustyrose Magic
Libra- Her magic affects Kagura
Millianna- She makes Natsu/Lucy/Erza unnable to use they magic during ToH
I could find more.. Just because someone is stronger it doesn't mean opponent magic can't affect them.
This pic proves Wahl went down first and remember Dimaria stopped 'time' at the same time (heh) when Laxus and Wahl started fighting
Well at least I showed the proof :P
And there will not enough evidence to prove either side right my dear ( let the shipping begins
)I follow just the material we have been getting in the story so far and that weaker mage magic was affecting stronger ones without any drawbacks on it effectiveness especially : Millianna and Erza case , Makarov and Freed and lastly Marin and Jacob case.. << all of these mages was tiers bellows they targets yet it didn't stop they magic from working
Let's assume Brandish is watching DiMaria attempt to fightWhat's your thought on this?
And she uses Age Seal against Wendy/Sherria/Carla. Brandish is about 100m away, just on the edge of Age Seal (90m radius for my example). 
. Pretty good durability too since he endure the ice demon sword attack from Gray. He doesn't base his fighting style off of power like God Serena does, more like tactics and that's dope to me
Anyway I am thinking that the Spriggans all have DARKNESS. Note: When Crunchyroll translations come out I will add to/edit this post.
Honestly, I love this theory. It seems too legit for me :P consider me sold heheGoing to throw up a theory... please shoot it down
There's been a question about the magic power of the 12 - how/why are they so strong?
The 12's relative MP level:
- It seems that Isghal's best wizards were a fair way below the 12. Hyberion, Wolfheim, Warrod and Jura were outlier wizards from Isghal, and together they were still outclassed by 1 Spriggan level mage. This mage was from Isghal (Serena), so Isghal produces one but Alvarez 11?
- Within Alvarez there seems to be a huge gap between a shield and their subordinates. Marin is probably the best of the subordinates, and he isn't exactly a stud. Why is there such a gap? Isghal doesn't have a gap that is so glaringly large. For example compare Laxus to Erza, or Hyberion to Jura..
What can possibly explain the immense magic power of the 12?
Invel said this in the most recent chapter...
In short..
- Invel calls darkness a fearsome power
- Darkness (a quality of the heart) is a seed to black magic
- The line where Invel references the power to the Emperor is a little weird (I will await the C'roll translation)... but Gray's response to that is "you know you're bad guys". Gray thinks darkness = bad guys, which Invel corrected. But from Gray's reaction he said 'you' as in the 12. This implies that the 12 are also dyed in darkness... which is what Invel is hoping will happen to Gray after he kills Juvia.
I believe that the Spriggan's are so powerful because they are black wizards, or they have been taught how to harness the power of darkness. Zeref is the leader of Alvarez. He's the legendary Black wizard. And he assembled the 12 to combat Acnologia.
Possible uses of black magic/darkness in the 12 (just throwing these out there)
We know that Zeref uses black magic. He's able to summon this magic with no real change to his body, though his eyes do change somewhat when he gets angry. If Gray's Black marks are some what related to darkness/black magic, then we see his skin going black. So with these in mind, here are some possible displays of darkness/black magic...
August: Is this him using his darkness?
God Serena: Is darkness used to harness the power of 8 dragon slayer lacrima?
Neinhart: Remember these eyes? (lol)
DiMaria: What is Ultear implying here? That DiMaria did something dark maybe?
Awakening Darkness
Invel said this that Gray's darkness will awaken after he kills Juvia. He also said that his slayer magic is eating at Gray's soul, and that the darkness is on the verge of spilling out. So how did the S12 awaken their darkness?
- Irene did something terrible in Isghal, or something terrible happened to her
- Neinhart perhaps a history tied with Irene's/Erza's and it's a deeply emotional one for him
- God Serena... nah he just wanted more power
- Brandish with her mother being killed, and maybe Zeref told her that Layla killed Grammi.
- August, Larcade and Invel... I think they were able to awaken darkness on their own under the tutelage of Zeref (ie no emotional trigger)
Jacob had a really bad experience with a girl
Darkness as a magic concept
1) In Tartarus arc, Mard Geer said that curses were a new path for magic, fueled by negative emotions. He also said that Gray 'demonised' when he used the Black markings against Momento Mori. Perhaps darkness and curses are a similar form of magic. This is supported by the idea of a heart being dyed in darkness which in turn grants fearsome power... sounds similar to the notion of negative emotions fueling curse power.
2) One of the few times magic (One Magic in particular) was discussed was on Tenrou when Hades was defeated. Precht, someone who was taught the basics of magic by Zeref, said that the true nature of magic is darkness...
Precht might not be right. But his knowledge of magic is almost unrivaled. Adding in Invel's statement (a more new and relevant one I guess), then darkness is likely a path of magic. Similarly, light can be a path too...
So how are FT able to fight them?
Invel said that darkness is in everyone's heart. And we know that through this whole manga, emotions and magic power have a connection. So if darkness can be a fearsome power (as an emotional driver for magic power), then light can be considered another way path of magic. This is probably obvious anyways, when there is dark in a narrative, there is light to balance or oppose it. So the Spriggans have darkness, and FT has light/friendship/PoF (whatever).
This is to a degree supported by Fairy Tail being stronger than most (inb4plot). It's not just FT, but anyone who embraces light/bonds/nakama type stuff. At the GMG, Mavis knew Jellal wasn't a FT member, but could sense his soul was the same as the guild members. So this at least supports the idea that the guild members souls are somewhat special, because they're dyed in light.
It should be noted that FT/good guys have produced wizards of comparable strength to the Spriggan 12. So if light is more or less the same as darkness in the context of magic, then it's quite likely that they yield similar results as a magic power.
Fairy Heart
Also, when Lumen Histoire is first mentioned, we have Ivan calling it the darkness of Fairy Tail. The Mavis calls it light. This points out 2 things... 1) That there is light and darkness in terms of magic, and 2) depending on perspective, one might see it as darkness and the other as light.
In conclusion, the 12 use Black magic or walk the path of darkness, and this is why they're so strong magically. FT and others from Isghal walk the path of light. The simplest way to view it is to look at Zeref and Mavis on design alone.
Haha it took a little while finding the chapters, but the post itself didn't take too long. The darkness stuff has been in the manga for a while so it was really only last chapter that I had to think about.
That's quite interesting, maybe Hiro is a big star wars fan? It could very well turn out like that.
Yes this is true too and I might add this to the post I made. The CR translations isn't much different - Acno basically says that Irene is impressive for someone trained by the black wizard.
Yea I would like to know why there are 12 specifically. I wonder if Hiro abandoned this idea because 3 of them are dead.
The one difference is the antibodies in the dragon slayers preventing dragonification, while Gray doesn't have this. Tbh I wouldn't be surprised if he can simply control the darkness through his own positive emotions. Imo this is where Juvia might play a role, in not letting Gray fall into darkness. Not going to speculate a great deal on that in this thread, might make a post in the Gray thread another day.
) but couldn't unlock the full potential of it but nevertheless shouldn't they grow significantly stronger after the change of hearts ( My long-lost theory about Kagura getting power boost after forgiving Jellal throw in trash bin )
This convo on the 12s' darkness is interesting to me. Especially after hearing that Zeref trained/taught Irene how to do enchantments, so who is to say he hasn't did the same with some, if not all of the 12s,except August? This arc is centered around Mavis and Zeref, dark and light, so I'm interested in what Zeref and the 12s specific counter to Acno will be when they get FH. I would love a Ginyu Force type of nuke between all 12 of them