Conditional Erza vs Acnologia

[Nemispelled]

That just goes to show Acnologia's durability. Human Acnologia's claws are capable of gutting God Serena. Igneel's claws would have been just as potent. Keep in mind that Igneel could not damage Acnologia with just any attack. The first claw attack and roar he used against Acnologia didn't even leave a mark, despite both being direct hits. There was a point in their fight where Igneel lead Acnologia above the clouds so that they could go all out. Igneel probably used stronger attacks from that point. Perhaps it's a fair point to say Igneel never got the chance to hit Acnologia in the eyes with his claws. However, Wendy's dragon slaying magic isn't on Igneel's level in the first place - and Igneel had to go all out to do the damage he did.

If a fireball covers your entire body and you have your eyes open, it's only logical that the fire touches your eyes.

Igneel tore off Acnologia's arm. I don't get why you keep insisting that this isn't a major injury when it clearly is. Losing an arm is still more severe an injury than simply getting cut across the torso. Is there any real reason why a human would feel more pain than a dragon when they lose an arm? That's like saying a human would feel less pain than a kangaroo if we cut off our legs, because our legs are smaller. Pain has more to do with your pain receptors firing off than it does with how large your body part is. Besides,wouldn't losing an eye be less painful since its smaller than an arm? Now that I look at it, Acnologia's arms are no small fraction of Acnologia's body either. His biceps are nearly as large as his pectorals, and the length of his arm is almost as long as his neck.

Spoiler: Acnologia without his arm

Spoiler: Acnologia's arm

Sure, Igneel's roar must've dealt some damage to Acnologia's eyes, but like I said before, a roar is different from a physical object. A claw or sword coming into contact with an eye causes lot more damage because all of the power is concentrated or focused on a single area.

And I guess we see "Acnologia losing his arm" differently. I still do not think it is a significant injury compared to Erza's 5 free slashes. I acknowledge that it caused Acnologia a lot of pain, but for him in his dragon form, it isn't really anything drastic..

Erza slashing both of Acnologia's eyes would inflict a lot more damage and possibly even blindness..

The eye may be smaller than an arm, but the reason why it would be a lot more painful is because the eyes are the most sensitive. They contain one of the most amount of pain receptors, which is why the injury would be a lot more severe.

Especially since Erza gets to take out both of Acnologia's eyes in this case, as per the conditions.

But fair enough, I don't think we're going to agree on this, and you seem to think differently compared to me. I don't mind to give you the last word on this one, if you so wish.

 

[Axiomus]

That is because she is immune to normal magic. Its not a rock. Its magical attack of irene. Its durability depends on irene strength. Just like erza swords arent just steel
Irene thought deus sema will wipe out erza existence. Erza thought everyone will die. Its pretty clear what mishma thinks is stronger

Yes she enchanted ds into her sword. Not her powers. Its has nothing to do with her powers.

Erza cant rip off irene arm because she didnt attack there. She attacked her torso. A critical region.
Igneel is powerful no doubt. But erza got 5 free hits. In the critical region. Not on limbs
So she might have a chance
I am going by how aconilogia thought to gaurd himself from irene causual nuke. A top tier move should do real damage. Five moves should do even more. Erza did over power that move with pof

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Not wendy strenght
Ds magic plus erza strenght

Its not powerful magic. Its type of magic

If Irene were to claws swipe at Erza, Erza would not be able to cut Irene up without a boost from Wendy. She would be able to do that to Deus Sema. The claw did more damage and is harder to overcome. It's the stronger attack.

Wendy's dragon slayer magic is her power.

Igneel hit Acnologia in the face with his claws. No damage.

 

[sharkai]

If Irene were to claws swipe at Erza, Erza would not be able to cut Irene up without a boost from Wendy. She would be able to do that to Deus Sema. The claw did more damage and is harder to overcome. It's the stronger attack.

Wendy's dragon slayer magic is her power.

Igneel hit Acnologia in the face with his claws. No damage.

I agree the claw would be more problem but the manga made it clear. Irene top tier move is deus sema. Claw is a causual move. Its not stronger

No wendy ds is her magic. Ds plus her mp is her power
Wendy did not give erza her powers. She enchanted tge sword . Thats all. Her attack power did not increase. It only became suitable for a specific task
If gmg wendy could do the same thing. The result will be still the same. Wendy enchantment has nothing to do with her mp

Yes but erza got five hits so maybe
I cant defend whether erza can do it here. I just think it might be possible. I dont really have evidence other than the one i already gave

 

[Nemispelled]

This isn't directed at anyone specifically, but:

Unless you think that Acnologia's eyeball >>>>>>>>> Deus Sema + Dragon Irene, then I don't see his eyes being protected or safe here.

Since this is 0% broken-bone full-powered Erza, who has PoF and Makarov's spirit on her side... as well as a DS enchanted sword...

It's pretty safe to say that Acnologia's eyeball has to at least be more durable than Deus Sema + Dragon Irene to even have a chance of not going blind. And since I don't see that happening due to Acnologia being immobilized, this isn't a definite win for Acnologia in my opinion.

 

[Axiomus]

Sure, Igneel's roar must've dealt some damage to Acnologia's eyes, but like I said before, a roar is different from a physical object. A claw or sword coming into contact with an eye causes lot more damage because all of the power is concentrated or focus on a single area.

And I guess we see "Acnologia losing his arm" differently. I still do not think it was a significant injury compared to Erza's 5 free slashes. I acknowledge that it caused Acnologia a lot of pain, but for him in his dragon form, it isn't really anything drastic..

Erza slashing both of Acnologia's eyes would inflict a lot more damage and possibly even blindness..

The eye may be smaller than an arm, but the reason why it would be a lot more painful is because the eyes are the most sensitive. They contain one of the most amount of pain receptors, which is why the injury would be a lot more severe.

Especially since Erza gets to take out both of Acnologia's eyes in this case, as per the conditions.

But fair enough, I don't think we're going to agree on this, and you seem to think differently compared to me. I don't mind to give you the last word on this one, if you so wish.

That roar would have been on the same level as any of the moves Natsu used against Zeref. Even if it was less concentrated, it was more powerful all around.

Now that I've had a good look at Acnologia's arm in comparison to his torso, I don't buy the excuse that a dragon's arm is proportionally smaller than a human's. Acnologia's biceps are nearly as large as one of his pectoral muscles. The length of his arm is nearly as long as his neck. THis arm was severed just below the shoulders. he only reason a dragon's arm would seem smaller in proportion to his body is because of the long neck.

Spoiler: Acnologia's severed arm

Spoiler: Acnologia's full arm

I suppose we're going to have to disagree, but I think the feats speak for themselves. @Your latest point. I have no problem saying that Acnologia's eyes are more durable than the rock that deus sema is composed of, as well as Irene. It's never been stated what a dragon's eyes are made of, and they've never been stated to be its weak spots either. We don't even know if they work like conventional eyes in Acnologia's case. His eyes are just glowing white circles. Besides, even if Acnologia (which I'm not granting) is blind he still has a heightened sense of smell. All it would take is one hit, and Acnologia would still be able to oneshot Erza.

 

[Seven777]

That is because she is immune to normal magic. Its not a rock. Its magical attack of irene. Its durability depends on irene strength. Just like erza swords arent just steel
Irene thought deus sema will wipe out erza existence. Erza thought everyone will die. Its pretty clear what mishma thinks is stronger

Yes she enchanted ds into her sword. Not her powers. Its has nothing to do with her powers.

Erza cant rip off irene arm because she didnt attack there. She attacked her torso. A critical region.
Igneel is powerful no doubt. But erza got 5 free hits. In the critical region. Not on limbs
So she might have a chance
I am going by how aconilogia thought to gaurd himself from irene causual nuke. A top tier move should do real damage. Five moves should do even more. Erza did over power that move with pof

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Not wendy strenght
Ds magic plus erza strenght

Yes, exactly Not Wendy's strength, Wendy's magic.
DS Magic(Wendy's magic) plus Erza's strength(presumably also powered by magic).

Its not unlike how Gray empowers his Ice Make magic with DeS magic to make more powerful weapons.
The difference between Erza's ordinary Benisakura and her Wendy empowered one is probably similar to the difference in strength between Gray's nameless Ice Bow and his Zeroth Destruction Bow, or between Cold Excalibur and Zeroth Longsword.

Though actually the difference in strength should be greater since Benisakura is being empowered at the expense of someone else's magical power, unlike Gray's weapons.
Thinking about it like that perhaps Wendy's enchantment on Erza's sword is closer in nature to Lucy Fire from the Tenrou arc, increasing Lucy Kick's strength with Fire Dragon Slayer magic.

Spoiler

So yeah, the difference in strength between Erza's ordinary Benisakura and the Wendy empowered one is probably around the same as the difference between Lucy Kick and Lucy Fire.

 

[sharkai]

Yes, exactly Not Wendy's strength, Wendy's magic.
DS Magic(Wendy's magic) plus Erza's strength(presumably also powered by magic).

Its not unlike how Gray empowers his Ice Make magic with DeS magic to make more powerful weapons.
The difference between Erza's ordinary Benisakura and her Wendy empowered one is probably similar to the difference in strength between Gray's nameless Ice Bow and his Zeroth Destruction Bow, or between Cold Excalibur and Zeroth Longsword.

Though actually the difference in strength should be greater since Benisakura is being empowered at the expense of someone else's magical power, unlike Gray's weapons.
Thinking about it like that perhaps Wendy's enchantment on Erza's sword is closer in nature to Lucy Fire from the Tenrou arc, increasing Lucy Kick's strength with Fire Dragon Slayer magic.

Spoiler

So yeah, the difference in strength between Erza's ordinary Benisakura and the Wendy empowered one is probably around the same as the difference between Lucy Kick and Lucy Fire.

Lol
I forgot about lucy fire kick
I could agree with lucy example

Not with gray one. Because that the difference between top tier move and mid tier move of gray.
Lucy fire kick should be similiar to erza hit

With difference being that wendy didnt attack irene with magic attack like natsu did with fire. And differences between powers of lucy natsu and erza wendy

 

[Seven777]

Lol
I forgot about lucy fire kick
I could agree with lucy example

Not with gray one. Because that the difference between top tier move and mid tier move of gray.
Lucy fire kick should be similiar to erza hit

One of my favorite FT moments, back when i was an anime only FT fan. Kain was a hilarious villain
Ice Bow was a top tier move back in the day, demolished Racer in one hit(a guy who crapped all over Gray & Lyon)

 

[sharkai]

One of my favorite FT moments, back when i was an anime only FT fan. Kain was a hilarious villain
Ice Bow was a top tier move back in the day, demolished Racer in one hit(a guy who crapped all over Gray & Lyon)

Was it? I dont think racer was durable
I just thought gray used tgat move because it traveled far or something

 

[Axiomus]

I agree the claw would be more problem but the manga made it clear. Irene top tier move is deus sema. Claw is a causual move. Its not stronger

No wendy ds is her magic. Ds plus her mp is her power
Wendy did not give erza her powers. She enchanted tge sword . Thats all. Her attack power did not increase. It only became suitable for a specific task
If gmg wendy could do the same thing. The result will be still the same. Wendy enchantment has nothing to do with her mp

Yes but erza got five hits so maybe
I cant defend whether erza can do it here. I just think it might be possible. I dont really have evidence other than the one i already gave

The fact that it would be harder to overpower and ended up doing more damage makes it the better attack. Deus Sema is an enchantment, boosted by Irene's increased magic as a dragon. It's not actually a dragon slaying attack. The claw is a direct result of being a dragon, which is a product of her dragon slaying magic. Honestly speaking, Irene's claw attack is comparable with Motherglare's claw attack. If she had hit the ground instead of Erza, it probably would have resulted in something like this.

Spoiler: Motherglare's claw

I don't see how it makes sense Wendy can even give dragon slaying magic to Erza without there being some magical power involved. The fact that there was a visual representation of the feathers common in Wendy's sky dragon slaying magic should be proof enough that the sword had some of Wendy's power.

 

[sharkai]

The fact that it would be harder to overpower and ended up doing more damage makes it the better attack. Deus Sema is an enchantment, boosted by Irene's increased magic as a dragon. It's not actually a dragon slaying attack. The claw is a direct result of being a dragon, which is a product of her dragon slaying magic. Honestly speaking, Irene's claw attack is comparable with Motherglare's claw attack. If she had hit the ground instead of Erza, it probably would have resulted in something like this.

Spoiler: Motherglare's claw

I don't see how it makes sense Wendy can even give dragon slaying magic to Erza without there being some magical power involved. The fact that there was a visual representation of the feathers common in Wendy's sky dragon slaying magic should be proof enough that the sword had some of Wendy's power.

Sure. Some wendy power was in there. But that wasnt the point of that enchantment. There is a difference in what she did. And what laxus did back in tenrou arc. My point is comparing wendy magic with igneel is plain wrong here
It no more magic transfer than wendy normal enchantment which gives speed or defence

And deus sena was gonna kill everyone. Look i would agree with you but this manga isnt like that. Its like sayning gmg jura palm strike is stronger than mt fuji.
Deus sema was hyped upto hell. Claw just kinda came and went. Mishma seems to be showing how strong irene is. Not that its her strongest move.

 

[Axiomus]

Sure. Some wendy power was in there. But that wasnt the point of that enchantment. There is a difference in what she did. And what laxus did back in tenrou arc. My point is comparing wendy magic with igneel is plain wrong here
It no more magic transfer than wendy normal enchantment which gives speed or defence

And deus sena was gonna kill everyone. Look i would agree with you but this manga isnt like that. Its like sayning gmg jura palm strike is stronger than mt fuji.
Deus sema was hyped upto hell. Claw just kinda came and went. Mishma seems to be showing how strong irene is. Not that its her strongest move.

Look, either way it doesn't matter. Igneel has greater physical strength than Erza, and stronger dragon slaying magic than Wendy. He dealt a more severe wound to Acnologia than Erza did to Irene. Acnologia still maintained his dragon form.

The only way for Erza to knock Acnologia out of his dragon form is to deal more damage to Acnologia than Igneel did. Even this is an assumption. We've never actually seen Acnologia get knocked out of dragon form. Even when Igneel knocked him down and pinned him, he didn't get knocked out of dragon form. He may even have been unconscious at that point. Even when face activated Acnologia still kept his dragon form, and face has the power to erase magical power from Ishgar. You're essentially asking me to believe that attacks weaker than Igneel's will do more damage than Igneel did, and cause Acnologia to act in a way he's never done so before.

 

[Solitrine]

Wendy ds is equal to igneel ds
Power is difference though. By alot. I mean like alot

But wendy power was never in equation
Anyway so...

What?
Dragon Slayer magic is more effective against dragons, it doesn't allow the bypass of a Dragon's durability (see GMG and literally any other time DS magic is used on a dragon). Igneel's roar didn't damage Acno, that means that a Acno durability > Igneel DS roar. Even if we pretend that Dragon Slayer magic allows the bypass of a Dragon's durability like you are suggesting, for Erza to damage Acnologia she would need to hit with more power than Igneel's roar. I don't see how you could come to that conclusion without ludicrous levels of wank.

 

[sharkai]

Look, either way it doesn't matter. Igneel has greater physical strength than Erza, and stronger dragon slaying magic than Wendy. He dealt a more severe wound to Acnologia than Erza did to Irene. Acnologia still maintained his dragon form.

The only way for Erza to knock Acnologia out of his dragon form is to deal more damage to Acnologia than Igneel did. Even this is an assumption. We've never actually seen Acnologia get knocked out of dragon form. Even when Igneel knocked him down and pinned him, he didn't get knocked out of dragon form. He may even have been unconscious at that point. Even when face activated Acnologia still kept his dragon form, and face has the power to erase magical power from Ishgar. You're essentially asking me to believe that attacks weaker than Igneel's will do more damage than Igneel did, and cause Acnologia to act in a way he's never done so before.

I could agree with most but again igneel having ds magic being stronger than wendy means nothing here
Wendy ds magic is magic not strenght. Saying igneel has stronger ds magic than wendy here is something i cant agree with. Because it has nothing to do here
Basically its
Igneel power >> ds erza power
Wendy is barely in the equation. She did not give her powers or her magic. She gave her an ability

Basically if you say that it might lead to saying things like even wendy can knock irene out of here dragon form. No she cant.

Also i cant agree with dues sema is just a rock. Thus even bluenote can stop it. Lol

Rest you might be correct. But there is a chance tgat igneel isnt that stronger than everyone else here. Especially 5 times

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What?
Dragon Slayer magic is more effective against dragons, it doesn't allow the bypass of a Dragon's durability (see GMG and literally any other time DS magic is used on a dragon). Igneel's roar didn't damage Acno, that means that a Acno durability > Igneel DS roar. Even if we pretend that Dragon Slayer magic allows the bypass of a Dragon's durability like you are suggesting, for Erza to damage Acnologia she would need to hit with more power than Igneel's roar. I don't see how you could come to that conclusion without ludicrous levels of wank.

Immunity not durability. Durability is still there. Ds can side the step immunity but they have to over come the durability
That way its much more effective than other magic
Gmg ds didnt have that strength
Current erza does have that strength

And we dont exactly know how much stronger igneel is compared to irene. I am assuming he is not five times stronger

 

[Axiomus]

I could agree with most but again igneel having ds magic being stronger than wendy means nothing here
Wendy ds magic is magic not strenght. Saying igneel has stronger ds magic than wendy here is something i cant agree with. Because it has nothing to do here
Basically its
Igneel power >> ds erza power
Wendy is barely in the equation. She did not give her powers or her magic. She gave her an ability

Rest you might be correct. But there is a chance tgat igneel isnt that stronger than everyone else here. Especially 5 times

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Immunity not durability. Durability is still there. Ds can side the step immunity but they have to over come the durability
Gmg ds didnt have that strength
Current erza does have that strength

And we dont exactly know how much stronger igneel is compared to irene. I am assuming he is not five times stronger

Wendy said that she was enchanting dragon slayer magic into Erza's sword. To me it looks like she was binding her magic to Erza's sword, especially with all the feathers. I am curious to why you think "Wendy only gave Erza an ability", or how that even works.

Deus Sema is a rock. That's what a meteor is. I never implied that Bluenote can stop it. Just because it's a rock doesn't mean Bluenote can stop it. Just because Bluenote can't stop it, doesn't stop it from being a rock. Either way, the meteor is not as tough as Irene's dragons scales.

Also, why wouldn't Wendy be able to knock Irene out of her dragon form? We know from Irene taking over her body that she has enough magical power to overpower Erza. Wendy is simply not that skilled at using her power.

Igneel is second to only Acnologia. I put Irene (and Belserion) on the level of Motherglare or Atlas Flame.

 

[Arjuna]

@Nemispelled What good will Acnologia eye being gone will do.He has enchanced smell and hearing,so even if for arguments if we believe that his eyes will be damaged he has other means to detect and destroy Erza.

 

[Nemispelled]

@Nemispelled What good will Acnologia eye being gone will do.He has enchanced smell and hearing,so even if for arguments if we believe that his eyes will be damaged he has other means to detect and destroy Erza.

Well, the condition is that Erza doesn't have to destroy Acnologia. I'm well aware that Erza has absolutely no chance of beating Acnologia, whether that be in his dragon or human form.

In my opinion though, it isn't too far-fetched to revert Acnologia back to his human form. I think that it is possible for Erza to cancel out Acnologia's dragon form by inflicting critical damages or injuries on his body. Of course, Erza would have to aim for the parts where Acnologia will feel the most pain.

After Erza slashes the eyes/neck or whatever region that will cause Acnologia to turn back to a human, then Acnologia can sniff out Erza all he wants and wipe the floor with her face.

But then, Erza would still win this match, regardless of whether she beats or gets instantly defeated by human Acnologia. That's the only reason why I've been arguing for the "Too close to call" side.

 

[Arjuna]

Well, the condition is that Erza doesn't have to destroy Acnologia. I'm well aware that Erza has absolutely no chance of beating Acnologia, whether that be in his dragon or human form.

In my opinion though, it isn't too far-fetched to revert Acnologia back to his human form. I think that it is possible for Erza to cancel out Acnologia's dragon form by inflicting critical damages or injuries on his body. Of course, Erza would have to aim for the parts where Acnologia will feel the most pain.

After Erza slashes the eyes/neck or whatever region that will cause Acnologia to turn back to a human, then Acnologia can sniff out Erza all he wants and wipe the floor with her face.

But then, Erza would still win this match, regardless of whether she beats or gets instantly defeated by human Acnologia. That's the only reason why I've been arguing for the "Too close to call" side.

She can't because of the simple reason is that Acnologia is no Irene.

His physical durability and strength is beyond imagination so if she slashes his neck the sword will break.In his human form itself he had immense strength to tear apart God Serena's abdomen in an instant.

 

[Solitrine]

Immunity not durability. Durability is still there. Ds can side the step immunity but they have to over come the durability
That way its much more effective than other magic

We know that isn't true because both Zeref and Larcade (who both don't use Dragon Slayer magic) were going to be used to kill Acnologia, aka the strongest dragon. Hell, we even see non DS magic used on Acnologia effectively (Universe One).

 

[Ice devil slayer]

Is this serious though ??...like acno would one shot her easy