She can't because of the simple reason is that Acnologia is no Irene.
His physical durability and strength is beyond imagination so if she slashes his neck the sword will break.In his human form itself he had immense strength to tear apart God Serena's abdomen in an instant.
But that's the point. Acnologia is immobilized in this situation, unlike Irene. And Erza also has 5 strikes to slash where it will cause the most damage.
This is a 0% broken-bone full powered Erza. Against Irene, she has 95% of her bones broken and she had already fought many battles in the past, including Ajeel, Neinhart's historias, and stopping a punch from Gray/END.
Not to mention, we have to factor in her PoF and Makarov spirit boost, along with the DS enchanted sword.
If Erza hits both of Acnologia's eyes, then it will cause major damage. Because I highly doubt that Acnologia's eyes >>>> Deus Sema + Dragon Irene.
And that critical injury to his eyes does have the potential to cause Acnologia to revert back to human form. Which is why I voted "Too close to call" in the polls.
But that's the point. Acnologia is immobilized in this situation, unlike Irene. And Erza also has 5 strikes to slash where it will cause the most damage.
This is a 0% broken-bone full powered Erza. Against Irene, she has 95% of her bones broken and she had already fought many battles in the past, including Ajeel, Neinhart's historias, and stopping a punch from Gray/END.
Not to mention, we have to factor in her PoF and Makarov spirit boost, along with the DS enchanted sword.
If Erza hits both of Acnologia's eyes, then it will cause major damage. Because I highly doubt that Acnologia's eyes >>>> Deus Sema + Dragon Irene.
And that critical injury to his eyes does have the potential to cause Acnologia to revert back to human form. Which is why I voted "Too close to call" in the polls.
There is a difference between Irene's slash and Acnologia's eyes being damaged you are mentioning.Irene's body was nearly slashed in half by Enchanted DS Sword while even if Acno's both eyes are destroyed he has nose and ear to continue the fight.And i don't think even if both eyes are destroyed he will be reverted back into his human form unless his body is slashed like Irene.
And even if he is reverted back to his human form he has more than enough power to take down Erza.Even in the worst case he is as strong as IgNatsu in his human form.
There is a difference between Irene's slash and Acnologia's eyes being damaged you are mentioning.Irene's body was nearly slashed in half by Enchanted DS Sword while even if Acno's both eyes are destroyed he has nose and ear to continue the fight.And i don't think even if both eyes are destroyed he will be reverted back into his human form unless his body is slashed like Irene.
And even if he is reverted back to his human form he has more than enough power to take down Erza.Even in the worst case he is as strong as IgNatsu in his human form.
The body is actually a lot less worse than his eyes being punctured. The cut across Irene's body wasn't even that deep compared to having a sword through your eyeball.
Since the eyes are one of the most sensitive parts of the body, slashing it with a sword at full power will cause severe damage, and probably major pain as well. And Erza can slash both of his eyes and still have 3 other slashes to choose where she wants to hit him.
Idk how painful it is to get hit in your "private parts" as a dragon, but if it causes immense pain, that's another area where Erza can strike.
Acnologia has never had his eyes cut by a sword, so it's difficult to say if he could still remain in his dragon form or not. I'm not willing to speculate like others, which is why I voted in the middle, since I can see it going either way.
If Acnologia reverts back to his human form, he loses this match according the condition. He can destroy Erza all he wants, but he would still lose as far as I'm concerned.
The body is actually a lot less worse than his eyes being punctured. The cut across Irene's body wasn't even that deep compared to having a sword through your eyeball.
Since the eyes are one of the most sensitive parts of the body, slashing it with a sword at full power will cause severe damage, and probably major pain as well.
Acnologia has never had his eyes cut by a sword, so it's difficult to say if he could still remain in his dragon form or not. I'm not willing to speculate like others, which is why I voted in the middle, since I can see it going either way.
If Acnologia reverts back to his human form, he loses this match according the condition. He can destroy Erza all he wants, but he would still lose as far as I'm concerned.
Remember Jellal even with his eyes damaged continued to fight OS.So if Jellal can do this i think Acnologia can fight even if his eyes are slashed and i doubt he will revert back to his human form unless he is defeated in his Dragon form i.e. exhausted.
Wendy said that she was enchanting dragon slayer magic into Erza's sword. To me it looks like she was binding her magic to Erza's sword, especially with all the feathers. I am curious to why you think "Wendy only gave Erza an ability", or how that even works.
Deus Sema is a rock. That's what a meteor is. I never implied that Bluenote can stop it. Just because it's a rock doesn't mean Bluenote can stop it. Just because Bluenote can't stop it, doesn't stop it from being a rock. Either way, the meteor is not as tough as Irene's dragons scales.
Also, why wouldn't Wendy be able to knock Irene out of her dragon form? We know from Irene taking over her body that she has enough magical power to overpower Erza. Wendy is simply not that skilled at using her power.
Igneel is second to only Acnologia. I put Irene (and Belserion) on the level of Motherglare or Atlas Flame.
Not her magic. But like her normal enchantment. Kind of like she did in edolas arc and tenrou arc. And in start of irene fight. Insteaf of making erza stronger she gave her ds abilities. That is all
Its not just a rock. Half the character can destroy block city level rocks here. To think irene hyped up move is so weak is just weird.
No wendy never over powered erza. She is no where near erza strength. Blowing someone back is something irene can do to aconologia. And irene is not as strong as aconologia.
You seems to be under impression that only the strongest magic like ds can break through a dragons scale. Tgats not accurate
Wendy has more chances of hurting a dragon as compared to gildarts. But she is far weaker than him. Ds is not stronger. Its just super effective. Wendy made erza strike super effective. Tgats all she did
Remember Jellal even with his eyes damaged continued to fight OS.So if Jellal can do this i think Acnologia can fight even if his eyes are slashed and i doubt he will revert back to his human form unless he is defeated in his Dragon form i.e. exhausted.
But Jellal doesn't have a dragon form. It's difficult to tell because Jellal is full human. And Jellal only punched his eyes enough so that he could no longer see.
It's different from Erza who is charging at full power with all of the above that I mentioned. (ex. full power, PoF/Makarov, DS enchanted).
Erza is actually striking to do as much damage as possible. Jellal just wanted to keep himself from seeing. The injuries dealt by Erza would be a lot worse in the case.
It's doesn't really matter if he is blinded. The sheer pain may cause him to revert back to human. Especially if he is struck in both eyes, his private part, his neck, or whatever place that contains a lot of pain receptors.
And Erza has 5 free slashes, so the injuries will be a lot more critical.
But Jellal doesn't have a dragon form. It's difficult to tell because Jellal is full human. And Jellal only punched his eyes enough so that he could no longer see.
It's different from Erza who is charging at full power with all of the above that I mentioned. (ex. full power, PoF/Makarov, DS enchanted).
Erza is actually striking to do as much damage as possible. Jellal just wanted to keep himself from seeing. The injuries dealt by Erza would be a lot worse in the case.
It's doesn't really matter if he is blinded. The sheer pain may cause him to revert back to human. Especially if he is struck in both eyes, his private part, his neck, or whatever place that contains a lot of pain receptors.
And Erza has 5 free slashes, so the injuries will be a lot more critical.
Well, I happen to think that losing his arm/hand is not as drastic as it appears to be. For a human, it may be a big deal, but for a dragon, it isn't the equivalent.
Having both of your eyes slashed and 3 other critical areas is a lot worse. And since I don't have proof of Acnologia being able to stay in his dragon form with those injuries, I simply cannot vote for him.
Unless I'm certain that Acnologia can still stay in his dragon form with both his eyes slashed by Erza along with 3 other severe wounds, then I will not make my final judgement.
Not her magic. But like her normal enchantment. Kind of like she did in edolas arc and tenrou arc. And in start of irene fight. Insteaf of making erza stronger she gave her ds abilities. That is all
Its not just a rock. Half the character can destroy block city level rocks here. To think irene hyped up move is so weak is just weird.
No wendy never over powered erza. She is no where near erza strength. Blowing someone back is something irene can do to aconologia. And irene is not as strong as aconologia.
You seems to be under impression that only the strongest magic like ds can break through a dragons scale. Tgats not accurate
Wendy has more chances of hurting a dragon as compared to gildarts. But she is far weaker than him. Ds is not stronger. Its just super effective. Wendy made erza strike super effective. Tgats all she did
Wendy literally said she was enchanting dragon slaying magic into the sword. I fail to see how you can give someone dragon slaying magic without there being some magical power involved. Gray could receive devil slaying magic from Silver without there being a transfer of magical power. Neither could Natsu, Gajeel, or Sting when they received their second element. Even when Lucy received star dress, there was a transfer of magical power. We can see the visual representation of sky dragon slaying magic on Erza's sword. When Irene controlled Wendy, she very much did overpower Erza.
I dunno what else you would call this.
I never said deus sema is weak. I simply said it's not as strong her own dragon's claw attack, because dragons are tougher than the substance the meteor is made out of - and because Erza would not have been able to stop Irene's claw without dragon slaying magic. It's the same reason Igneel's physical attacks did more damage to Acnologia than his roar.
Even if it doesn't take the strongest DS magic to damage an average dragon, it does take the strongest DS magic to damage Acnologia. Igneel's roar or claw attack didn't even scratch him. These attacks are stronger than Deus Sema and Irene's claw, and they are would be dragon slaying attacks. It was only when they ascended above the clouds and Igneel started going all out did he actually begin to do damage Acnologia.
Well, I happen to think that losing his arm/hand is not as drastic as it appears to be. For a human, it may be a big deal, but for a dragon, it isn't the equivalent.
Having both of your eyes slashed and 3 other critical areas is a lot worse. And since I don't have proof of Acnologia being able to stay in his dragon form with those injuries, I simply cannot vote for him.
Unless I'm certain that Acnologia can still stay in his dragon form with both his eyes slashed by Erza along with 3 other severe wounds, then I will not make my final judgement.
It is every bit as drastic. I've taken a closer look at a dragon's arm in comparison to a humans'. Their arms not small at all, so I don't even know where this is coming from. The only reason you might think a dragon's arm is smaller in proportion to a human's is because they have a long neck. Without the neck, a dragon would have similar proportions to a human. But even including the extra mass of the neck, their arms are still nearly as long as that neck. In Acnologia's example, his biceps are nearly as large as one pectoral (chest muscle).
Until I see any of the current dragon slayers, Erza, or Irene lay a single scratch on human Acnologia...I'm not even going to give them the benefit of the doubt of being able to tickle Acnologia in his dragon form. Acnologia is no more vulnerable to an attack from a dragon slayer than he is to an attack from an actual dragon, since they literally use the same power.
It is every bit as drastic. I've taken a closer look at a dragon's arm in comparison to a humans'. Their arms not small at all, so I don't even know where this is coming from. The only reason you might think a dragon's arm is smaller in proportion to a human's is because they have a long neck. Without the neck, a dragon would have similar proportions to a human. But even including the extra mass of the neck, their arms are still nearly as long as that neck. In Acnologia's example, his biceps are nearly as large as one pectoral (chest muscle).
Until I see any of the current dragon slayers, Erza, or Irene lay a single scratch on human Acnologia...I'm not even going to give them the benefit of the doubt of being able to tickle Acnologia in his dragon form. Acnologia is no more vulnerable to an attack from a dragon slayer than he is to an attack from an actual dragon, since they literally use the same power.
Almost all of the images you've shown me has been a zoomed-in point of view of Acnologia's arm. The arm looks large because of the angle that it's shown. You can't really use this as a basis because the manga purposely focuses on the bottom-front portion of Acnologia. That's why the arm looks large...
Instead, you have to compare it to a panel that is zoomed out and shows Acnologia in full view:
The panel above shows the actual size of Acnologia's arm. In this panel, you can actually compare the arm to the rest of a dragon's body. As you can see, Igneel didn't even tear off Acnologia's entire shoulder..
The arm, at most, is the size of Igneel's bulky head. It was a single part of a limb. But that's nothing compared to the rest of a dragon's body.
This is a lot more accurate of what Igneel actually tore off.
Acnologia would never let Igneel completely gut him or chop a major part of his body off... As long as he can move, Acnologia will continue to dodge, block, and defend himself from Igneel's attacks. Acnologia was even trying to kill Igneel, let alone being immobilized.
I consider Igneel's injury to be a severe wound for a dragon. But the arm that Igneel tore off? It's not as significant for a dragon. Especially since Acnologia can still fly thousands of miles without an arm.
Also, keep in mind that the arm is in the frontof the panel and Acnologia is actually in the background. That means you have to take into account the distance in proportion to the actual size.
If you scale for the difference in distance , Acnologia himself should be a lot more massive than only one of his arms.
Almost all of the images you've shown me has been a zoomed-in point of view of Acnologia's arm. The arm looks large because of the angle that it's shown. You can't really use this as a basis because the manga purposely focuses on the bottom-front portion of Acnologia. That's why the arm looks large...
Instead, you have to compare it to a panel that is zoomed out and shows Acnologia in full view:
The panel above shows the actual size of Acnologia's arm. In this panel, you can actually compare the arm to the rest of a dragon's body. As you can see, Igneel didn't even tear off Acnologia's entire shoulder..
The arm, at most, is the size of Igneel's bulky head. It was a single part of a limb. But that's nothing compared to the rest of a dragon's body.
This is a lot more accurate of what Igneel actually tore off.
Acnologia would never let Igneel completely gut him or chop a major part of his body off... As long as he can move, Acnologia will continue to dodge, block, and defend himself from Igneel's attacks. Acnologia was even trying to kill Igneel, let alone being immobilized.
I consider Igneel's injury to be a severe wound for a dragon. But the arm that Igneel tore off? It's not as significant for a dragon. Especially since Acnologia can still fly thousands of miles without an arm.
Also, keep in mind that the arm is in the frontof the panel and Acnologia is actually in the background. That means you have to take into account the distance in proportion to the actual size.
If you scale for the difference in distance , Acnologia himself should be a lot more massive than only one of his arms.
No, what Igneel has in his mouth doesn't tell us the full extent of Acnologia's wound. When you tear off an arm, it might not be a clean cut. Some parts of Acnologia's arm may have been shredded. It is worth noting Acnologia didn't have any piece of Igneel in his mouth that we can make out, but he nearly tore Igneel in half. The actual result of the wound is the most accurate image of what was torn off, because that's what he actually lost. The piece of Acnologia's arm that Igneel has in his mouth was just the forearm, and we can see it's about as large as Igneel's own forearm. Acnologia lost everything below the shoulders. You can simply compare the size of Acnologia's full arm to the part that is missing. Or, compare the before and after images.
I actually took the time to highlight exactly what I mean. Red is the part that Igneel has in his mouth. Green is the part Acnologia has left over. Blueis the part that Acnologia must have lost. Purple is the length of their neck
Between these 3 images, there should be no confusion over what Acnologia lost (the blue).
But tbh, this is rather irrelevant. I shouldn't even had to do this. Just looking at any of the images of Igneel and Acnologia, and you can tell that their arms reach below their belt-line, meaning their shoulder-to-fingers are longer than chest-to-hip. How is that much different than a human? The only difference is the fact that dragons have long necks and tails. This shouldn't diminish the length of their arms though - certainly not to the point where losing an entire forearm is equivalent to losing a finger. What type of anatomy is that?. That's like saying a monkey or giraffe wouldn't feel pain if you cut off its leg. Even losing just a hand would cause excruciating pain to most people, and there still isn't any good reason to assume that a dragon would feel less pain when losing an arm than a human does.
Wendy literally said she was enchanting dragon slaying magic into the sword. I fail to see how you can give someone dragon slaying magic without there being some magical power involved. Gray could receive devil slaying magic from Silver without there being a transfer of magical power. Neither could Natsu, Gajeel, or Sting when they received their second element. Even when Lucy received star dress, there was a transfer of magical power. We can see the visual representation of sky dragon slaying magic on Erza's sword. When Irene controlled Wendy, she very much did overpower Erza.
I dunno what else you would call this.
I never said deus sema is weak. I simply said it's not as strong her own dragon's claw attack, because dragons are tougher than the substance the meteor is made out of - and because Erza would not have been able to stop Irene's claw without dragon slaying magic. It's the same reason Igneel's physical attacks did more damage to Acnologia than his roar.
Even if it doesn't take the strongest DS magic to damage an average dragon, it does take the strongest DS magic to damage Acnologia. Igneel's roar or claw attack didn't even scratch him. These attacks are stronger than Deus Sema and Irene's claw, and they are would be dragon slaying attacks. It was only when they ascended above the clouds and Igneel started going all out did he actually begin to do damage Acnologia.
It is every bit as drastic. I've taken a closer look at a dragon's arm in comparison to a humans'. Their arms not small at all, so I don't even know where this is coming from. The only reason you might think a dragon's arm is smaller in proportion to a human's is because they have a long neck. Without the neck, a dragon would have similar proportions to a human. But even including the extra mass of the neck, their arms are still nearly as long as that neck. In Acnologia's example, his biceps are nearly as large as one pectoral (chest muscle).
Until I see any of the current dragon slayers, Erza, or Irene lay a single scratch on human Acnologia...I'm not even going to give them the benefit of the doubt of being able to tickle Acnologia in his dragon form. Acnologia is no more vulnerable to an attack from a dragon slayer than he is to an attack from an actual dragon, since they literally use the same power.
The same way wendy can increase other people speed. She enchanted it. She didnt give her powers. Why are you changing her power. Her magic allows her to enchant things. Which is different than giving others her power.
Tell me difference betweem ds enchantment of wendy and her speed enchantment.
No thats reacting faster and then nuking her. At no point did erza used any magic attack on her.
Over powering happens when both are putting an effort or force. Only doing here wendy is doing all stuffs her. Erza just took everything she got. And got up.
Wendy has never shown powers near like of laxus or jellal. Let alone erza who actually did over power irene strongest move.
Deus sema is weak if its just a rock.
Only reason erza would have problem with the claw is because of immunity not because of strength.
The same way wendy can increase other people speed. She enchanted it. She didnt give her powers. Why are you changing her power. Her magic allows her to enchant things. Which is different than giving others her power.
Tell me difference betweem ds enchantment of wendy and her speed enchantment.
No thats reacting faster and then nuking her. At no point did erza used any magic attack on her.
Over powering happens when both are putting an effort or force. Only doing here wendy is doing all stuffs her. Erza just took everything she got. And got up.
Wendy has never shown powers near like of laxus or jellal. Let alone erza who actually did over power irene strongest move.
Deus sema is weak if its just a rock.
Only reason erza would have problem with the claw is because of immunity not because of strength.
The difference is that she actually says she's enchanting her magic into the sword. Enchantments can be used to remove and attach magic from something. Wendy is attaching her magical powers to Erza's sword. Either way, Wendy had enough power to throw Erza around. She also managed to cut Irene pretty much just as well as Erza did. Deus Sema is a rock. Meteors are space rock. This isn't really a debate. Whether or not Deus Sema is made of rock is not important. What's important is that it is not as tough as a dragon's scale. Erza would not have been able to harm Irene without a boost from Wendy. The claw shattered most of Erza's bones. Obviously it poses more of a threat to Erza than just Irene's durability as a dragon. If Irene had chosen to just step on Erza instead of casting Deus Sema, Erza would be dead.
The difference is that she actually says she's enchanting her magic into the sword. I fail to see how you can give someone your magic without also giving them your magical power. Also, enchantments can be used to remove and attach magic from something. That's what Irene was trying to do with Mavis. To me it's simple. Wendy is attaching her magical powers to Erza's sword.
Either way, Wendy had enough power to throw Erza around. She also managed to cut Irene pretty much just as well as Erza did. I have zero problems believe she would be able to knock Irene out of her dragon form.
Deus Sema is a rock. Meteors are space rock. This isn't really a debate. The claw shattered most of Erza's bones. Obviously it poses more of a threat to Erza than just Irene's durability as a dragon. If Irene had chosen to just step on Erza instead of casting Deus Sema, Erza would be dead.
Either way, Igneel's claws and roars are stronger than any attack in Erza or Irene's arsenal. Erza is not knocking Acnologia out of his dragon form.
She never said deattach my magic from me and attack to erza. She said enchant ds magic into the sword. No difference than increase speed of others enchantment
We already know how other people give their powers. And that was not like how wendy did it. Nor was it even mentioned. Only ds was enchanted. Thats pretty much it.
Its standard enchantment spell. Nothing more.
Yes she has. And so does irene has powers to blow aconologia around. It just says she is reasonable powerful. Not that irene is as powerful as aconologia lol
No its a magical rock. Which was hyoed to remove erza existence and kill everyone there. The claw just came and went. Broke alot of bones.
Irene used much more magic in deus sema. She herself hyped it alot. No way its below her causal claw swipe.
I guess i can make something like
Irene dragin claw < human aconilogia claw << deus sema
Because irene only broke bones.
Aconologia went through
And deus sema will completely annhilate
No, what Igneel has in his mouth doesn't tell us the full extent of Acnologia's wound. When you tear off an arm, it might not be a clean cut. Some parts of Acnologia's arm may have been shredded. It is worth noting Acnologia didn't have any piece of Igneel in his mouth that we can make out, but he nearly tore Igneel in half. The actual result of the wound is the most accurate image of what was torn off, because that's what he actually lost. The piece of Acnologia's arm that Igneel has in his mouth was just the forearm, and we can see it's about as large as Igneel's own forearm. Acnologia lost everything below the shoulders. You can simply compare the size of Acnologia's full arm to the part that is missing. Or, compare the before and after images.
I actually took the time to highlight exactly what I mean. Red is the part that Igneel has in his mouth. Green is the part Acnologia has left over. Blueis the part that Acnologia must have lost. Purple is the length of their neck
Between these 3 images, there should be no confusion over what Acnologia lost (the blue).
But tbh, this is rather irrelevant. I shouldn't even had to do this. Just looking at any of the images of Igneel and Acnologia, and you can tell that their arms reach below their belt-line, meaning their shoulder-to-fingers are longer than chest-to-hip. How is that much different than a human? The only difference is the fact that dragons have long necks and tails. This shouldn't diminish the length of their arms though - certainly not to the point where losing an entire forearm is equivalent to losing a finger. What type of anatomy is that?. That's like saying a monkey or giraffe wouldn't feel pain if you cut off its leg. Even losing just a hand would cause excruciating pain to most people, and there still isn't any good reason to assume that a dragon would feel less pain when losing an arm than a human does.
Since when was Igneel's wound caused by Acnologia's mouth? Obviously there shouldn't be anything in Acnologia's mouth because the hole in Igneel's body shouldn'thave been caused by a bite..
If anything, Acnologia clawed a hole in Igneel's body the same way he did to God Serena in his human form. I don't see why Acnologia would have a piece of Igneel in his mouth, especially since Acnologia didn't bite anything.
And I disagree about using your images. Thanks for taking the time to outline it, and I assure you I looked them over fairly (guess it's just our perspective), but like I said before, you can't use those panels because they are at a bottom-front angle.. and they're also completely zoomed-in.
If you want to compare it in proportion to Acnologia's whole body, you would have to see a full view of both parts.
And also, in the panel where you showed Acnologia with only one arm.. the length of the blood splatter is actually relatively the same length as the arm in Igneel's mouth. So that panel is actually pretty accurate because it is pretty much the same length.
Again, most of the panels you showed actually was angled in a way that it would favor the size of the arm.
Even if I exaggerate Acnologia's missing arm to the proportions that you showed...
There's almost no doubt that Acnologia's full body would still be way larger because the panel with both Igneel and Acnologia showed their bodies to be a lot more massive in size, compared to the severed arm.
That was made clear since Acnologia was in the background and his severed arm was in the forefront of the image. And even so, the arm was only the size of Igneel's bulky head.
I could add another half of his limb to that image, and Acnologia's full body in the background would still be massively larger in comparison, no matter how I look at it.
Anyways, I guess I got too carried away with this point.. I should just accept that we disagree, since it's obvious that we see it differently. Clearly, we voted for different sides in the polls, and everybody has their own opinions. Especially when it comes to a fantasy battle like this, the victor cannot be proven.
I happen to still stand my ground in this match regarding the side that I chose, but I can understand why some people would vote for Acnologia. While I see your guys' point, my honest analysis of this battle still disagrees, but I'll respectfully accept that.
Since when was Igneel's wound caused by Acnologia's mouth? Obviously there shouldn't be anything in Acnologia's mouth because the hole in Igneel's body shouldn'thave been caused by a bite..
If anything, Acnologia clawed a hole in Igneel's body the same way he did to God Serena in his human form. I don't see why Acnologia would have a piece of Igneel in his mouth, especially since Acnologia didn't bite anything.
And I disagree about using your images. Thanks for taking the time to outline it, and I assure you I looked them over fairly (guess it's just our perspective), but like I said before, you can't use those panels because they are at a bottom-front angle.. and they're also completely zoomed-in.
If you want to compare it in proportion to Acnologia's whole body, you would have to see a full view of both parts.
And also, in the panel where you showed Acnologia with only one arm.. the length of the blood splatter is actually relatively the same length as the arm in Igneel's mouth. So that panel is actually pretty accurate because it is pretty much the same length.
Again, most of the panels you showed actually was angled in a way that it would favor the size of the arm.
Even if I exaggerate Acnologia's missing arm to the proportions that you showed...
There's almost no doubt that Acnologia's full body would still be way larger because the panel with both Igneel and Acnologia showed their bodies to be a lot more massive in size, compared to the severed arm.
That was made clear since Acnologia was in the background and his severed arm was in the forefront of the image. And even so, the arm was only the size of Igneel's bulky head.
I could add another half of his limb to that image, and Acnologia's full body in the background would still be massively larger in comparison, no matter how I look at it.
Anyways, I guess I got too carried away with this point.. I should just accept that we disagree, since it's obvious that we see it differently. Clearly, we voted for different sides in the polls, and everybody has their own opinions. Especially when it comes to a fantasy battle like this, the victor cannot be proven.
I happen to still stand my ground in this match regarding the side that I chose, but I can understand why some people would vote for Acnologia. While I see your guys' point, my honest analysis of this battle still disagrees, but I'll respectfully accept that.
The anime showed Acnologia biting Igneel's arm, which he then discarded. You may not consider this cannon, which is fine, but there's no reason to think Acnologia clawed Igneel over biting. The wound on Igneel was far larger in proportion to God Serena's. Actually, now that I've double checked, I'm going to double down on Acnologia biting him. Igneel bit off the arm closes to him. Acnologia would have have to reach around with his other arm. In order to claw someone in this fashion, Acnologia's thumb would have been facing down when he finished. It wasn't.
I mean, we can disagree but I think the writing is on the wall. Anatomically, Acnologia lost his arm below the shoulder and in the middle of the biceps. I simply outlines the parts that must be missing in blue. There's no exaggeration. The arm that Igneel was holding in his mouth did not have the elbow and only scales to Igneel's own for-arm, so it couldn't possibly be the most accurate picture of all that Acnologia loss. The "blood splatter" in the front image of Acnologia is just a blob: It doesn't mean look like anything. Even if you had to use a blob splatter, at least use the one that actually looks like an arm.
I went out of my way to highlight the arm length of a whole bunch of dragons. Most of them have arms that reach below their hips, meaning it's comparable to a human by proportion. Most of them have arms long enough to reach above their heads. Some dragons have longer necks than others, like Weisslogia, but even then... their arms still make up a decent size of their body mass.
She never said deattach my magic from me and attack to erza. She said enchant ds magic into the sword. No difference than increase speed of others enchantment
We already know how other people give their powers. And that was not like how wendy did it. Nor was it even mentioned. Only ds was enchanted. Thats pretty much it.
Its standard enchantment spell. Nothing more.
Yes she has. And so does irene has powers to blow aconologia around. It just says she is reasonable powerful. Not that irene is as powerful as aconologia lol
No its a magical rock. Which was hyoed to remove erza existence and kill everyone there. The claw just came and went. Broke alot of bones.
Irene used much more magic in deus sema. She herself hyped it alot. No way its below her causal claw swipe.
I guess i can make something like
Irene dragin claw < human aconilogia claw << deus sema
Because irene only broke bones.
Aconologia went through
And deus sema will completely annhilate
She said she would enchant dragon slaying magic into the sword. I fail to see how you can enchant magic into something without also enchanting magical power. Enchanting someone to go faster is different than enchanting someone with a completely new magical power. Give me one other example of a dragon slayer giving the ability to use their dragon slaying magic without a transfer of power.
Wendy damaged Erza and was tossing her to the floor. Acnologia wasn't even damaged and remained standing the entire time. The two composure wasn't remotely similar.
Sure, a magical rock. That still makes it a rock, and more importantly - not as tough as Irene's scales. Hype is hype. Irrelevant to me. Actually breaking bones > Hype.
Human Acnologia's claw > Irene's dragon claw > Deus Sema.
Human Acnologia's claw attack killed God Serena, and probably a whole lot of dragons as well.
Irene's dragon claw hurt Erza badly.
Deus Sema was overpowered by a crippled Erza.
The anime showed Acnologia biting Igneel's arm, which he then discarded. You may not consider this cannon, which is fine, but there's no reason to think Acnologia clawed Igneel over biting. The wound on Igneel was far larger in proportion
I mean, we can disagree but I think the writing is on the wall. Anatomically, Acnologia lost his arm below the shoulder and in the middle of the biceps. I simply outlines the parts that must be missing in blue. There's no exaggeration. The arm that Igneel was holding in his mouth did not have the elbow and only scales to Igneel's own for-arm, so it couldn't possibly be the most accurate picture of all that Acnologia loss. The "blood splatter" in the front image of Acnologia is just a blob: It doesn't mean look like anything. Even if you had to use a blob splatter, at least use the one that actually looks like an arm.
I went out of my way to highlight the arm length of a whole bunch of dragons. Honestly, I have absolutely no idea why you think dragons have diminutive arms compared to a human. Most of them have arms that reach below their hips, meaning it's comparable to a human by proportion. Some dragons have longer necks than others, like Weisslogia, but even then... their arms still make up a decent size of their body mass. They have sizeable arms that take up a decent portion of their body. This is proven by the various examples above.
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Now, she said she would enchant dragon slaying magic into the sword. I fail to see how you can enchant magic into something without also enchanting magical power. Enchanting someone to go faster is different than enchanting someone with a completely new magical power.
Wendy damaged Erza and was tossing her to the floor. Acnologia wasn't even damaged and remained standing the entire time. The two composure wasn't remotely similar.
Sure, a magical rock. Doesn't make a difference to me. Hype is hype. Irrelevant to me. Actually breaking bones > Hype.
Human Acnologia's claw > Irene's dragon claw > Deus Sema.
Human Acnologia's claw attacked killed God Serena, and probably a whole lot of dragons as well.
Irene's dragon claw hurt Erza badly.
Deus Sema was overpowered by a crippled Erza with no dragon slaying advantage.
You actually dont know the difference. You assume it. But there is no evidence to support your claim that it should be different than her standard enchantment.
She enchanted it with ds magic. Not her magic. Not her powers. Just ds. Just like she always enchant. Since i see no difference statement was used. No increase in power was mentioned. I will go with that its just standard ds enchantment as stated.
They were same in the way they both got blown away. Difference is erza didnt block and aconilogia did. Erza obviously took some damage.
You forgot the huge amount of pof which erza used to destroy deus sema. The entire protrayal of awesomeness
For me
I have to do with what is stated in the manga
I cant in good judgement agree that hades 100 formula was below his 25 formula because it was blocked
Nor that jura palm strike is above mt fuji even though mt fuji only has hype. When one hype their own move, i assume they are above their hand swipe
Even though feat wise it might not look so especially in this manga
Comparing gmg sting attack on sabertooth master vs pretty much featless memento mori of mard geer
She never said deattach my magic from me and attack to erza. She said enchant ds magic into the sword. No difference than increase speed of others enchantment
We already know how other people give their powers. And that was not like how wendy did it. Nor was it even mentioned. Only ds was enchanted. Thats pretty much it.
Its standard enchantment spell. Nothing more.
Yes she has. And so does irene has powers to blow aconologia around. It just says she is reasonable powerful. Not that irene is as powerful as aconologia lol
No its a magical rock. Which was hyoed to remove erza existence and kill everyone there. The claw just came and went. Broke alot of bones.
Irene used much more magic in deus sema. She herself hyped it alot. No way its below her causal claw swipe.
I guess i can make something like
Irene dragin claw < human aconilogia claw << deus sema
Because irene only broke bones.
Aconologia went through
And deus sema will completely annhilate
Erza's DS sword is stronger than her ordinary sword, just like the weapons Gray makes with DeS magic are stronger than his ordinary ones. Or how "Lucy Fire" is stronger than "Lucy Kick".
Its not like Wendy is just transforming Erza's magic into Dragon Slaying magic, Wendy is attaching her own magic ON TOP of the magic already in Erza's sword. Its two magics combined that sliced through Eileen, not just one.
If Erza used that Wendy empowered sword on an ordinary human instead of a dragon it would still do more damage than it would unenchanted.
You actually dont know the difference. You assume it. But there is no evidence to support your claim that it should be different than her standard enchantment.
She enchanted it with ds magic. Not her magic. Not her powers. Just ds. Just like she always enchant. Since i see no difference statement was used. No increase in power was mentioned. I will go with that its just standard ds enchantment as stated.
They were same in the way they both got blown away. Difference is erza didnt block and aconilogia did. Erza obviously took some damage.
You forgot the huge amount of pof which erza used to destroy deus sema. The entire protrayal of awesomeness
For me
I have to do with what is stated in the manga
I cant in good judgement agree that hades 100 formula was below his 25 formula because it was blocked
Nor that jura palm strike is above mt fuji even though mt fuji only has hype. When one hype their own move, i assume they are above their hand swipe
Even though feat wise it might not look so especially in this manga
Comparing gmg sting attack on sabertooth master vs pretty much featless memento mori of mard geer
- Wendy's magic is dragon slaying magic. Even Wendy's ability to enchant is a product of sky dragon magic.
- It was not the same. Erza was thrown to the ground. Acnologia wasn't. Erza was damaged. Acnologia wasn't.
- Makarov waved away formula 28. Formula 100 triggered Makarov's heart condition despite being mitigated by 3 pillar gods.
- Momento Mori > Mard's nukes > Sting's punch. Momento Mori did more damage to Gray even though he blocked it than any of Mard Geer's other attacks. Mard can block Sting's punches. Mard isn't Jiemma.
- Wendy's magic is dragon slaying magic. Even Wendy's ability to enchant is a product of sky dragon magic.
- It was not the same. Erza was thrown to the ground. Acnologia wasn't. Erza was damaged. Acnologia wasn't.
- Makarov waved away formula 28. Formula 100 triggered Makarov's heart condition despite being mitigated by 3 pillar gods.
- Momento Mori > Mard's nukes > Sting's punch. Momento Mori did more damage to Gray even though he blocked it than any of Mard Geer's other attacks. Mard can block Sting's punches. Mard isn't Jiemma.
yes, so?
yes, because erza didnt block
formula 100 was blocked, 25 took out laxus. featwise 25 win
sting punch blew a hole in Jiemma, memento mori didnt make any addition of holes in gray
featwise sting punch was stronger than memento mori
ofcourse i dont agree with this, i am just saying hype cant be just ignored to make a complete causal swipe of irene hand be above the hyped up deus sema
