Games Mafia Game 58 - Umineko: How to play 13 - END GAME

[Lambu]

I cant believe this

 

[z.5]

Fine
Votelock WYIS

 

[syx]

We will fuck this up.

 

[desin24]

votechange Withyouinspirit

 

[Lambu]

Oh my god, THANK YOU ZIMBARDO

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

Its full now, no need to lock anymore.

 

[desin24]

what, it was 10 to 9?

 

[Lambu]

Holy cow, I thought they would get it their way.

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

......wth Desin....you saved Zasz....

 

[desin24]

because the count said that it is 10 for zsasz and 9 for wyis,

 

[Lambu]

No, its fina he changed his vote
Better to lynch your buddy Monkey

 

[Purity of Magi]

Spoiler: Vote D4

3 mafia confirmed..

Votekill spirit...
Should just lock....thats how sure i am on this.

I expected better from you...

Votekill gnut

I still have my suspucions of Bel for acting wierd this whole game, and Zasz since he killed EmptySoul instead of Vandred who was already an obvious suspect even more so than empty.

So ? Doesn't really mean a slip-up isn't gonna happen. It just seems you want to lynch people for your own benefits. Add to it how late this Det claim is right now while not sharing anything about it before,the fact we have 2 dets already and how close you and Gry were and how many times Gry said "You're the only person I trust" like you guys are in love or something....

You are no fool, but you made a mistake. I really wanted to trust you but you aren't really helping your case here.

!votekill gnut for now


I thought no 3rd part ever won a game let alone lovers, he really took a gamble if that is true.


We really don't know, the owners of the note have to come out for us to know how many DNs are out there.


Yes, voting for someone else besides the guy who confirmed mafia is suspicious. Although you do have a point in it being a stupid move to vote xnut if you were mafia, but any slip up of these kinds no matter how small are crucial as of now. Especially since, as you mentioned before, we were manipulated the whole time.

Also, it was clear that mafia were going to kill Gry because he held not only 2 notes(according to him) but he was also the one who moved the game, add to that considering there are 3 mafias and only one kill during this phase, because both other mafias besides Gry's went to kill him.

But for now I will believe you, mainly because you didn't make a slip up before this and because xnut himself isn't very trusted from my side.


Nah, I am not prostitute.

Im not going to have a mud fight with you....
Yall wanna see my commitment
Votelock spirit

Monkey, as long as a det gets two different results he can prove his sanity in the 3rd night. If he got two townie results with the mafia bosses and then got guilty on Spirit it means he's Sane Doctor, I thought you would get something like that, or are you avoiding it on purpose.
Im starting to think you and WYIS are both from Gry's Mafia, therefore the weak attempt on bandwagon.

But it wont happen because even if gnut is lying the logical course of action is to lynch spirit to prove gnut, not in reverse. @WithYouInSpirit said his role is passive and affect other players without him targetting anyone... Freeman/Burden? its the only one that fits in the whole list lol.
On the contrary if WYIS dies lynched and is revealed townie I will kill gnut with the DN pompom gave me, since @MonkeyD-Dragon is hinting prostitute he wouldn't block me, right?
Oh wait, Pompom wrote Elusia's name on the DN and she didn't die. Are you actually Mafia Escort Monkey? Did Gry tell you to block Pompom? Is Elusia the remaining Boss?

Holy cow, everything fits, you guys dont convince me at all and even more with your behaviour in the previous days.

Votekill WithYouInSpirit

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 18, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 18, 2017 ---

I meant Sane Detective up there, my bad

It's being complex now

WYIS being a Mafia doesn't mean Gnut is a townie either.

He maybe a Mafia detective.But let it go for now

Vote Kill WithYouInSpirit

If Spirit is revealed to be a Town I will vote for Gnut next DP if I am not killed this NP.

Ughh, all this flip flopping back and forth and it sucks when you're not really good at deduction and the sort.

Monkey's claims aren't invalid imo, the way GrySun had everyone playing to his tune, its possible they thought they could continue to work the game in their favor while eliminating rival mafia members and holding the townies in the palm of their hands. I don't know how successful bandwagons have been in previous games, but they've been pretty spot on in this one, it helps to know now that it was possible because he was a detective.
His votekill in the last voting phase might be on the mark as well.

Then again, it also makes sense to roll with gnut being right about his votekill. Empty and Vandred were innocent(rules say mafia shows up as a townie would), while Spirit came out guilty. That would mean he's sane(I think, correct if wrong) . And if he's lying, he obviously knows the risk that would entail in the following phases. He said he's played over 30 games, so I don't see how he would make such a mistake, but then again all the vets apparently slipped up from what I've read.

Spirit also said Zasz was the one who killed Empty? Was this ever confirmed?
Elusia I've suspected from Day 1, admittedly it died down recently, but now picking up back again. Sucks when you're not experienced enough to come up with all these hypotheticals like vets.

Don't want to keep flip flopping, so votekill WithYouInSpirit.

Votekill wyis.

His reaction to gry being mafia felt contrived. Actually I wouldn't be surprised if he's a part of Gry's mafia. His "efforts" to root out Mafia members all seem more of an obligation, putting on a show, than anything. The only time I've seen him show any real emotion is right now in this day phase where he's being called out. Not saying I believe Gnut is a detective. I'm still iffy on that claim, but out of the two wyis is more suspect imo. Besides gnut is basically putting his life on the line. If wyis is Innocent then gnut knows he gets lynched tomorrow.

Of course there's the possibility they're both Mafia since Vandred knew for a fact that gry was Mafia and vice versa. I'm not seasoned enough to know if mafias can form alliances (I think someone asked this but I missed the answer), but if they can it seems they might be turning on each other which would be hilarious.

Could he mean a bomb or something like this? If you think he's a bomb, just let my vote as the last on him. (if possible)

Votekill WYIS

You guys are seriously giving me a headache, I'm not even kidding. Doesn't help I accidentally most of the text I wrote when making this post because of a misclick. Annywaayy, here are my thoughts after rereading this whole post!
Was it useful for me? Meh.

@Lady pompom Maybe this helps us to decide who to kill tonight with DN. I myself am not quite sure what would be the best move right now in terms of that.

Day 1:
- Erinyes: Wonders if there is a possible set of lovers in the game.
NOTE: About this: Erinyes said this a few times, perhaps it is a good idea to look into this to either rule it out or discover it.

- Lambu: states: Dont worry about me being mafia, worry about Grysun
Note: Perhaps redirecting attention to Gry instead of himself?


Day 2:
WYIS “
Someone I'd like to at least look at is Kato. I mean, yes he says that the role he got was bad, but those are just words. And if it is a lie, which is then bought by the town, it's an ok cover story for Mafia.”

Note: Sounds like a possible frame attempt to me.

Zasz: This whole debate about Empry is intriguing, but I fear this might be a way for the Mafia to distract us.

Xnut: I feel incriminated
Note: There is nothing wrong with xnut saying this. I just want to point out that basically all of his posts were like this: Short sentences, often not a lot of useful content.


Day 3:

Grysun: Why else would I die though? Who would want me dead
Note: This simply made me laugh and I wanted to share this.

Gnut says he thinks Spirit is up to something. “Up to what” “3rd party buckaroo” Spirit: "I think so to. But I think Belserion is one of them. That wierd 180 she did on niichan yesterday just seems like she saw that a convenient kill would happen for niichan. But before that she was quite opposed to it"
Note: To me this feels like it could possible be an attempt to distract the attention from WYIS to another person. Barely any response to the "up to something" accusation, but a direct turn to another player.

Arjuna - Claims to be bulletproof
Note: I wonder how many bulletproof players are allowed in this game?


Elusia: I'll give another hint about my role and later talk more about the notes. It's rather risky.
@Elusia Question for you: Did you mean that your role itself was risky? I couldnt tell for sure in this post. Also, could you tell us a bit more about your role?

Vandred: Of course I'm not townie.

But neither is Gry. Don't worry, I'm not asking you guys to lynch him or anything anymore. He can keep dancing his jig for today, but he's already dead. Still, I doubt most of you will take into consideration his words even after he'll show up as Mafia Detective. Townies just love to lose.

Vandred to Gysun: And you messed up most of all. I do respect my contracts, you know. Unlike someone else here...

Grysun: And how do I not respect my contracts exactly?

Note so about this: the first statement Vandred made turned out to be 100% true. The contract thing probably isn't something we could uncover. I feel that this is something fishy. If statement 1 was true, why not the second statement?

Day 4 - While I did take notes, it's giving me the biggest headache ever and I seriously do not feel that all the conversations are filled with a lot of content. I might get back on this later today, but for now I really can't bare it.

I do want to comment on this:

"Elu is Hider from what Gry told our team. Monkey I'm not sure. Not one of ours. Possibly Vandred's. We discussed Zasz as a serious Vandred Team suspect since I gave him the O Note on night 1 and he didn't kill Vandred despite a lot of already overwhelming evidence on him thanks to Gry. He instead chose to kill Empty who had paltry suspicion on her in comparison. I'm not going to say who our last member is though. I don't want to be that much of a dick. But if you actually want to take some advice from me, I'd focus on Zasz, Belserion and MarmaladeSky." Said by @WithYouInSpirit


How can we trust your word that Gry gave you that information (and then again, even if he did: Is that information correct?). I'm not saying we shouldn't give that a shot at all, to see if your information is true. You never know. It's just that I feel it is more and more important to be critical and not too trusting.


FINAL VERDICT (and I'll be off after that)

Elusia is someone I am suspecting right now: All of her posts are either about her just waking up, timezones or some discussion about the DN's. Nothing about other players and not much about herself at all. Yes, she did leave some tiny hints on her role. I just can't help but find this weird. I will look into this more tomorrow.

I can't quite pinpoint Gnut right now, I'd like to see and read more of what he has said. I will do so tomorrow, my brain can't handle this anymore.


Voting:

Votekill WithYouInSpirit
I'm sorry, but even if you didn't talk today I would have voted for you. I had this strange feeling about you, which usually isn't that good. Thank you for playing though



Goodnight fellow humans.

Votechange Votekill Zasz

@MarmaladeSky I don't trust Arjuna either, but the ones I'm more inclined to investigate now are Belserion and Zasz, little talk during the day might mean lots of talk during the nigh phases.

Gnut could be a naive traitor, it wold be good if he didn't chose an obvious target, but someone different to invetigate if he's really our sane det. Lambu seemes strange at the beginning of the game, but I do think he is townie right now, and what's really worrying me is this:



Supposing Lambu is townie and we have a note on our side, there are other two notes in the hands of mafia, and now That WYIS just confirmed my role, I might not survive this night if mafia don't have any other priorities to kill right now, so I'm telling everything in advance. Elusia, if she's not from Gry's mafia, she must be from the other mafia, otherwise people blocking me from killing her wouldn't have any sense at all. Monkey D. If you're really a bomb diffuser, you should think about those names we're giving here. You could as well the their escort, but, well, if you are you must know you have nothing to gain letting the opposite mafia alive.

As for the others players, could you also talk a bit more about whom you reagrd as suspects?

!votechange WYIS

A mafia admitted, which is a stronger back-up than my suspicions.

@gnut I guess you are a confirmed townie.

Vote Lock WithYouInSpirit

Around 7 hours left and I haven't even properly gone through half of this...

As I am going to be with my dad for the next 5 hours or so, I am going to vote now.

Vote WithYouInSpirit


Can you explain how we know this - due to the number killed, or the fact that each needs to contain a Mafia Boss?

I agree it's likely, going by how GrySun was playing - it's pretty ballsy play to throw your own Boss under the bus, for example.

3 Mafias and 3 Death Notes?
If 3 notes do exist, surely they can't all work - that's 6+ deaths per night possible?!?

Votechange Zasz

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 19, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 19, 2017 ---

If you're going to meme it out you might as well do it right.

Me a Mafia? When you're desperately trying to put the blame on me in order to save your ass dude?

Votekill WYIS

You're being way too obvious now.

Votekill WYIS
Since He confirmed he was mafia and i gotta vote now since i prolly wont be around till the day ends

My bad @syx
Nobody seemed to be mentioning anything and like Lambu said i dont think someone else mentioning it would be proof enough of their innocence

Lambu is ignoring me again. u.u"

It wouldn't, but it could be an important information for future outcomes. Just one rough example:

• Let's assume you didn't mention anything
• Player X (from mafia group 2) realizes it and asks Lambu why hasn't considering to give the DN to a confirmed townie (EmptySoul)
• Player X dies and everyone knows he is a mafia
• this could be used as an indicator, people who were all doki doki with Player X during the game could be potential mafias as well

!votekill Elusia

Hey, sorry for being absent during the bulk of the day. I organized a party yesterday and it kinda escalated.

Regarding our votes I would honestly go for a double lynch today since zsasz already has the penalty votes. He acts very mafia-esque tbh. Although him being pretty clueless speaks a bit more for a townie who didn't follow the game too close.
Either him or Elusia, there is a chance she's the lover as Ladypompom brought up a couple pages earlier.

We definitely shouldn't dismiss what spirit is saying by default. Even if it's not 100% truth there's still a lot of information there and the best lies are the ones in the middle of truths.

Votekill Zsasz

The day is drawing near....

I guess some people doesn't want to talk directly at me. But I understand why. Still, I am quite tired of things happening so I hope everyone knows what they are doing.

As for my vote, votekill wyis for his confession.

!votechange Zasz

!votechange zasz

Here's to giving it a try

dont try saving WYIS now LMAO

Votelock WYIS

A gift for me to you guys...

Votechange zasz

WYIS 9x (Gnut, Lambu, Arjuna, Gryffindor, Belserion, MonkeyD-Dragon, Zimbardo, Zasz, EmptySoul)

Zasz 9x (Penalty vote, Penalty vote, Penalty vote, Lady Pompom, WYIS, Desin24,Syx, Marmalade Sky, Elusia)

END OF THE DAY PHASE

WYIS
Mafia Boss

Dead!

Zasz
Spy

Dead!

NIGHT PHASE HAS STARTED

​

 

[Copy Panda]

Ola guest chans~

Comics will be added later, since we didn't expect two people to die!

Desin25's post sadly doesn't count since it was posted after the Day ended! We were busy counting votes, and talked about whether or not a post should be counted because we couldn't lock the thread...

But rules are rules, our clumsiness shouldn't affect gameplay. So the last vote won't count.

The day phase lasted quite long, so we feel that after almost 30 hours, no extended discussion time will be provided. This is a more liberal interpretation of rules perhaps, but in the end, after all your discussing too, this is the decision we came too. ​

 

[Purity of Magi]

Spoiler: D4 lynch & comics

END OF THE DAY PHASE

WYIS
Mafia Boss

Dead!

Zasz
Spy

Dead!

NIGHT PHASE HAS STARTED

Okay for those who are interested in their 'dead' comics.
Credits for Zasz comic goes also totally to Lawldaa~

....

Jessica was surprised by her mother's reaction when she grabbed the gun out of nowhere.

....

Jessica was done with it. She was ready to kill her brother off. Without any hesitation she runned towards her brother, using her combat skills.

This is special for Gry xD

....

However unfortunatey for Shannon she was also seen as one of the culprits. Everyone decide one thing to do to kill off Shannon......

The kappa was soo strong that it shooted out rainbows to kill off Shannon.

However since the Kappa was soo damn strong it made Shannon die twice and move her too a different place!!

--- Double Post Merged, Nov 20, 2017, Original Post Date: Nov 19, 2017 ---

END OF THE NIGHT PHASE

I will post later on the day (or at least I will edit it in this post) the dead comics for them since I am currently not home atm. I will announce it somewhere during the game that I have updated my post. Hopefully you guys can be patience for those who are enjoying them~

Syx
Doctor

Dead!

Lambu
Mafia Detective

Dead!

Zimbardo
Mafia Escort

Dead!

DAY PHASE HAS STARTED

Comics has been added. See below this sentence. xd


How the night went for Rosa Ushiyomira and Hideyoshi.

Maria had a smirk on her face when she saw that her mother wanted to deal with this. It gave her joy. However Rosa told her daughter to run away and that she would handle them. Maria did what her mother told her and was facing off the butler goats.

Rosa kept shooting and shooting. She was on fire. Not letting any of them alive.

Beatrice showed Maria the scene and made Maria cry while Beatrice got that evil witch smirk on her face.

How the night went for Beatrice after this

I never liked you! Go and die here !!!! Hahaahaha!!

As if you had any chance to beat me Evaaaaaaaaaa~!!

As they were battling each other, Beatrice tricked Eva somehow. When Beatrice teleported herself out there was an other surprise waiting for her...

The two witches were fighting each other. Virgilia was a difficult oppenent, extremely powerful however even Beatrice tricked her master. When she thought that she finally could escape fate of course there was more waiting for her....

The battle was heavy however Beatrice managed to defeat Erika. Even thought she could trick two witches and defeat one.
This wasn't everything... because in the end... she can't escape her fate.

​

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

I freaking told you guys, but you kept accusing me of being mafia, now look at that.

@gnut Now Mr Detective chan san, how the hell did you get a guilty result on a Mafia boss ? And your other buddy Lambu is now dead.

 

[Purity of Magi]

Since Lawldaa is afk and couldn't post this himself, I will do it in his place.

Xnut 3x (penalty vote, penalty vote, penalty vote)

Xnut received penalty votes for not posting the minimum required posts and also didn't vote kill​

 

[EmptySoul]

How many fricken mafias are there
Red mafia is now at 4 members wtf
And Lambus a mafia...

Lady pompom & Bel are my biggest suspects as of now
Oh and the DN isnt in my hands


Us townies are fked

 

[Arjuna]

Well this definetly clears Monkey probably

Lambu had acted very well didn't very realise he was actually a Mafia.

Zim was Mafia


But now focus on Gnut based on what Monkey said Gnut is 100% mafia and @desin24 can you explain why you nearly prevented Spirit a confirmed self accepted mafia from being lynched by almost tying the vote?

 

[MonkeyD-Dragon]

How many fricken mafias are there
Red mafia is now at 4 members wtf
And Lambus a mafia...

Lady pompom & Bel are my biggest suspects as of now
Oh and the DN isnt in my hands


Us townies are fked

Not really, if anything now the Note should be out of the hands of the mafia considering Lambu said he has it, Red mafia should by now be done. Only thing left is to take out gnut now. If he's Mafia bomb then that might be it, if not then there would be one more mafia.

 

[desin24]

Well damn, I didn't fuck up the double lynch, killing @Zasz was a mistake though. Although I will vote for him day 1 next time to keep the meme alive.

Yes my sanity is confirmed
Nite 1 - empty innocent
Nite 2 - vandred innocent
Nite 3 - spirit guilty

Vandred and Spirit were mafia bosses while empty is Jesus. There is no way he is sane detective. The only way for him to know spirit is mafia is through their mafia det. My guess is that he works together with Lambu. He is not orange mafia since that's what Spirit was. Spriggan (light red mafia detective) died night one so he could't bring anything to the table. Which leaves Lambu's mafia.

Well this definetly clears Monkey probably

Lambu had acted very well didn't very realise he was actually a Mafia.

Zim was Mafia


But now focus on Gnut based on what Monkey said Gnut is 100% mafia and @desin24 can you explain why you nearly prevented Spirit a confirmed self accepted mafia from being lynched by almost tying the vote?

The time was almost up and the vote count said 10 votes Zasz and 9 for Spirit, so of course I wanted to switch to Spirit because he was a confirmed mafia.