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[z.5]

Spoiler: What was before writ"

zimbardo what's the deadline, onegai ?

Try to get something to me by this weekend - I'd like to set the deadline for Saturday morning, but I am going to work on both Sat and Sun this weekend. I dunno how long I will be there, but my boss and I want to have a paper submitted before I offski on my Christmas holidays (so it's possible I might be super busy).

Spoiler: Most overrated manga and manhwa

Most overrated manga and manhwa
The lists and scores

1 and 2 points
3 points
4 points
5 points
6 points - round Nii
7 points
8 and 9 points

The Final 20
20th -> 17th
16th - World War Gry
13th -> 11th - taking Magi's purity

The BIG 10
10th - its flaws are deafening...
9th - #notyourtower
8th - the wrong kind of nudity
7th - should've died earlier...
6th - worse than the drink
5th - where's Bonnie Tyler when you need her?!?
4th - in pieces
3rd - I know it's not butter!
2nd - it's sheer existence is the biggest sin of all!
1st - ... and nobody lived happily ever after

Most Overrated Anime (TV series, Films, et cetera...)

The lists and scores

1 and 2 points
3 points
4 points
5 points
6 points
7 and 8 points
9 points
10 and 11 points
12, 13 and 14 points
16, 17 and 18 points

The inglorious 12

12th - Attack on the demonic brotherhood
9th - Watching two overlords drilling
5th - Forcing a semi deep into Stein's colon
4th - Rather be in a hospital bed, comatose, with some sick pervert pleasuring himself to my lifeless body
3rd - Hardly a bizarre choice for 3rd place...
2nd - A number best forgotten
1st - Short Arse O' Mine​

 

[Brandish μ]

Seiko Osabe
Chi no Wadachi
Erinyes

@Erinyes

Spoiler

lol, she'd be in my top 10 characters in ongoing manga

 

[Arjuna]

She is creepy though

 

[z.5]

I dunno if we should really get into a big salty argument already when we’ve only reached 2 points.

Bah!

Now is the perfect time to get into a big, salty, argument.

The more points a choice's worth, the more people agree that it's a terrible character - therefore, the less chance someone will take offence at an individual pick

 

[GrySun]

“Blinded by Bebop nostalgia” may be a thing in my case (I’m not one to decide, though I’m fairly certain I would still love it to bits if I watched it today because I know myself) but that doesn’t change the fact that it’s still one of the shows lots of new anime viewers consider the best, and is constantly referred to as the show even non-anime viewers will admit to love because it’s just that good.

Is it? So far everyone I know who likes it saw it many years ago, not sure where you take the facts from that it's considered the best by "lots of new anime viewers". You shouldn't need numbers to validate your taste to begin with though

Faye isn’t my favorite character of the show, but she still has more depth than most (especially female) anime characters out there and really well-written, whether you like her personality or not.

I would ask you precisely why you consider her (and Spike) one of the worst characters ever, since that might help me comprehend what or different criteria for “good/bad” character are, but I dunno if we should really get into a big salty argument already when we’ve only reached 2 points. And like I said, I was already prepared for you listing a Bebop character to counteract the high points it’s gotten in other categories.

Depends on what criteria people use for their list here. Being poorly written is a significant point, but far from the only thing to consider for me. In Faye's case, regardless of whether she has depth or not doesn't change that every scene with her you wish she wasn't there. Which is a pretty big factor for "bad character" if you ask me I did enjoy the backstory episode she had actually, those were rather well done in Bebop in general for the cast, for my man Jet as well. But won't make me like her or appreciate her input in the show.
As for Spike, he was mainly a disappointment for how people hyped him up for me before I watched. But that's too big to write on about a character not even on my list in the end, so will skip that.

Think I care about "counteracting" other lists? Each of these lists is a new list on their own. And I do mine honestly

 

[Organizized]

Is it? So far everyone I know who likes it saw it many years ago, not sure where you take the facts from that it's considered the best by "lots of new anime viewers". You shouldn't need numbers to validate your taste to begin with though



Depends on what criteria people use for their list here. Being poorly written is a significant point, but far from the only thing to consider for me. In Faye's case, regardless of whether she has depth or not doesn't change that every scene with her you wish she wasn't there. Which is a pretty big factor for "bad character" if you ask me I did enjoy the backstory episode she had actually, those were rather well done in Bebop in general for the cast, for my man Jet as well. But won't make me like her or appreciate her input in the show.
As for Spike, he was mainly a disappointment for how people hyped him up for me before I watched. But that's too big to write on about a character not even on my list in the end, so will skip that.

Think I care about "counteracting" other lists? Each of these lists is a new list on their own. And I do mine honestly

I’m not trying to justify it with numbers, I’m just saying people don’t simply like Bebop for nostalgia as you would have it appear. It’s my introduction series to friends who don’t watch anime, and lots of them never got into anime in general but still come over for an annual rewatch (and that’s an experience I often see others share as well).

See that’s why I wanted to know your reasons for listing her, since I can’t see her as one of those characters you just want to take out of a scene at all. And yeah, I did think you would do something like that because you’ve said you didn’t dislike the show nor liked it, and remarked that it’s overrated. But I can respect it more when I know you really do mean it.
This is just another example of us having seriously varied opinions of what we find enjoyable.

 

[GrySun]

This is just another example of us having seriously varied opinions of what we find enjoyable.

Probably, but I'm still surprised you aren't annoyed by most of her screentime in the show. While watching I even thought her being unlikeable is her main character trait the show is self-aware of. She did change a bit later near the end, but not worth all the episodes til then If anything I should've put her on 6th or 7th spot.

 

[Erinyes]

@Erinyes

Spoiler

lol, she'd be in my top 10 characters in ongoing manga

Oh my bad,

but let me explain

dont get me wrong, yeah shes epic (in the creepest way ). Maybe should have mentionned it earlier, but i did choose only characters i found despicable in what they did or how they behave. none of my nominee is a bad written char i think, at least , otherwise it would have been an all ft list

joke aside, i m having issues in selecting bad written characters bc its usually neither black nor white they might have some nice moments and some really bad, see for instance chars like sakura or erza, its really debatable, other might find them great i dont say they re bad but some parts of their characterization doesnt fit with me. thats why i went for wrong-doing (yeah thats debatable too, but well )
i regret though not having Gon in my list if i had to redo it ill trade her with him

 

[Farfalla]

There, Zimbu, salt-mission accomplished.

 

[z.5]

3 points
a broken toe - painful, niggling, unpleasant, but not the worst thing that can happen to you​

Arima Kishou
Tokyo Ghoul
Nii

Babidi
Dragonball
Gryffindor

Ginjo
Bleach
Juviii

Goro Miura
Bakuman
FaustXIII

Ichigo Kurosaki
Bleach
uberfayt

Izaya
Durarara
Erinyes

Kagami Taiga
Kuroko no Basuke
GrySun

Minoru Mineta
Boku no Hero Academia
Organizized

Monkey D. Luffy
One Piece
BluePegasus

Naruto Uzumaki
Naruto
Arjuna

Nobuyuki Sugou
Sword Art Online
Emperor Spriggan

Sayaka Miki
Mahou Shoujo Madoka Magika
Linali

Trunks
Dragonball
zimbardo​

Really not a good day to be a Shounen Jump protagonist

Spoiler: Lest us not forget those who came before

1 point
2 points

Spoiler: Let's see what our fam thinks about Arima Kishou

An indecipherable mystery until the end, with contradictory behavior more than once. Never understood why some people seemed to enjoy his character

Spoiler: You couldn't pay me to put those Trunks on...

Now, I'm pretty busy at work, so will only post a quick summary of my dislike for this character.

Dragonball Z isn't a series which does much justice to any of its supporting cast. Their main purpose is often solely to emphasise the power of a villain, making them appear to be a legitimate threat before Goku [Vegeta, or Gohan...] can deal with them.
However, when it comes to non-mains, Trunks is really a rather poor one at that.

In the Cell games, where he had the chance to be a real driving force, he was sidelined rather quickly.

Every time he is shown, it's really only an excuse to take up time before the interesting characters turn up. He's like a poor-man's Gohan.

Even his background is only as detailed as it needs to be to establish the setting - there's really little more to it than that.
This is a common problem with the Dragonball series, to be fair, but it doesn't make it any better.

I can't think of anything 'special' about that character - other than his terrible Hanson-esque hairstyle.

Now this might be ok had his father not been motherfucking Vegeta [TPOS], my favourite character in the series.
The fact that his own son grows up to become that is truly unforgivable.

 

[Erinyes]

zimbardo SOMEONE is on my list too !!!

 

[Belserion]

Arima Kishou
Tokyo Ghoul
Nii

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@Nii nooo why?? He's best guy in TG

 

[Erinyes]

@Organizized yeah mineta definitely.... totally forget about him !

 

[Arjuna]

How can anyone dislike SOMEONE and Arima

 

[z.5]

In relation to some of the other picks, how about a quick fire post

Spoiler: Babidi

Fits the usual silly non-final boss villain, which the Dragonball series is known for. However, even in relation to those, he does stand out as rather irritating.

Spoiler: Ginjo

You could probably have put any of the Fullbringers on this list and I'd have agreed with you.
They were awful, overpowered, and boring.

Bleach died long before they turned up, however.

Spoiler: Monkey D. Luffy and Ichigo

I'm not sure I agree with these two – especially considering all the other great (by 'great' I mean, not great at all – I mean terrible, awfully-written, waste of good paper) picks within their respective mangas.

The blank backgrounds in Bleach were more interesting and better designed than many of the characters later on.

Spoiler: Naruto Uzumaki

Probably my least favourite of the big Shounen 3 heroes.

He quite literally broke the main message (or what was at the start, at least) of the manga.
'hard work will eventually beat good genetics' – yeah, right...

Though, to be fair, Lee also broke that, to an extent (though, he has the subtle defence of not being the main character).

Naruto had that awful habit of trying to convert people, in a really jarring way at times – this is a trope I am not a huge fan of, at least not when the villains [who the hero is trying to convert] had previously (sometimes as little as 5 minutes ago) been shown to be so truly terrible/'evil'/unforgivable.

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zimbardo SOMEONE is on my list too !!!

Damn these surname/first name switches...

consider them removed

 

[Erinyes]

@Brandish when i mentionned Gon i meant him, (from hxh )

hope you didnt think it was a salty com, realized afterwards it might have been misunderstood.

 

[Arjuna]

When i saw my comment edited

 

[z.5]

When i saw my comment edited

Suck it up
Moan and I may start doing it more often

Around here

 

[Elusia]

Ichigo Kurosaki
Bleach
uberfayt​

@uberfayt I almost considered this guy, but ended up with another infamous Bleach character. But no doubt that I believe he is easily the weakest Big Three protagonist.

Izaya
Durarara
Erinyes​

@Erinyes I could feel the Shizuo vibes from this pick
But yea, he's a major prick in the anime.

And surprised to see Sayaka and Trunks on the list. I consider them otherwise, but from a narrative standpoint, I can see why

 

[Linali]

Akane Tsunemori... props to you @Linali you know how to trigger me

Sorry I can't help but see her as endlesly naive newbie with obsession about Kougami. Perhaps I'm also a bit irritated, that we had to watch the story from her perspective, when imo there are more interesting characters, who, unlike Akane, are not affraid to take more resolut actions. Also she lacks primary goal in her life (or I haven't notice any), she just "is". I'm sure there are characters of other shows, who I disliked much more than Akane, too bad for her, Psycho-Pass was good enough to stay in my memory.

Spoke too soon

And what is that suppose to mean...

@GrySun, I expected to see Kagami on the list, but not from you Explain yourself at once, traitor (I'm willing to forgive you, because of that beautiful signature of yours tho )

 

[Nii]

@Nii nooo why?? He's best guy in TG

Well zimbo already shared my opinion: "An indecipherable mystery until the end, with contradictory behavior more than once. Never understood why some people seemed to enjoy his character"

To be fair though, that's mostly because of the stuff in re. He had potential but in my eyes he got too little screentime and then we got some really weird explanations for his behaviour or actions, which made almost no sense to me. It's exactly bc he was a rather cool char with potential in the beginning, only to be completely wasted. Could have picked someone else too, but he was a prime example for the many things that ruined TG:re later on (in my eyes), so my disappointment is still relatively fresh.