Discussion Fairy Tail Power Ranking Thread

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Nope. FT are severly weaker without PoF (which is PIS stems from) even currently.

That irrelevant. POF is a legit power in FT. Erza was stronger than that metoer.

Nope. She literally broke her bones with a single slap and said she couldn't kill her thus she wasn't serious.

She was serious. Otherwise, she wouldn't try to drop a meteor on her.

Still off topic and I wasn't just messaging you either.

Who cares. It has been offtopic for quite a while.

 

[grey matter]

So far , I consider two feats in the series as outliers : Defeating Acnologia and Erza slashing Deus Sema. Because Erza's feats in that arc and now don't match up with that feat at all via scaling as well as on panel. Dragon Irene = August who low diffed Gildarts. Dragon Irene should've required at least 3 powerful mages say Gildarts , Laxus and Erza to be defeated. To add it , Dragon Irene shattered Erza's bones with a claw. If she stomped on her , it would've been over. Doesn't make sense a broken bones Erza managed to shatter a master enchant.

Neither of them are outliers.

Eileen was featless until she fought Erza. Hype in FT = shit, and unless there are no feats at all. Feats >> hype. IMO Hype should be taken into consideration, only in absence of feats.
Eileen is likely August tier in magic power, but her stats aren't all that to be admired at. Her stats were shown in Erza's fight, that does it for her. It's kinda understandable, her magic isn't typical of a front line mage or direct battle mage, but it's OP behind the front lines, as shown by her enchanting fodder soldiers to relatively strong level.

They defeated Acnologia's soul. Nothing says that Acnologia's soul is in the same tier as the real Acnologia.
Even Hiro realized that defeating the real Acnologia, with his feats, is impossible except for high tier Dragons ganging upon him. Which is why he made our Dragon Slayers defeat the soul instead.

One of the true outlier is Ajeel losing to Elfman. Elfman is pure physical attack, which Ajeel is immunne to. Even with Elfman being immune to sand in his take-over, the fight should've either resulted in a stalemate or Ajeel eventually winning (because the fight will last until magic power is depleted, Ajeel has higher magic power).
The other one is God Zeref being destroyed by Natsu. Even with all guild member's magic power, Natsu shouldn't be able to put down Zeref for a significant amount of time. Because he has infinite magic power, and this magic power should've instantly regenerated any damage that Zeref took. As far as I understand, the way Zeref's immortality works is that it prevents death and heals him whenever he has magic power. Base Zeref can be put down for good, for a while, by this logic; but not God Zeref. God Zeref should work in a similar way as Hades with Grimoire Heart worked. When Hades activated Grimoire Heart, we instantly saw him getting healed and his magic power jumping up several tiers. The same should've been applicable to God Zeref.

 

[Fyron]

The "guild" doesn't have it's own supply of mp though. The tenrou tree has it's own supply of magic, but it only gives it's power when they're on Tenrou Island. Natsu's not taking magic power from the other guild members either, as not a single member of the guild was even slightly a bit drained when Natsu fought Zeref. What you're implying here is that Natsu, merely by being a member of the FT guild, can draw upon a magic power from seemingly nowhere. Which is fine. If that's really how you want to see it, I don't want to argue about that here. But it wasn't used against Acnologia.

I don't see the problem with Erza slashing deus sema. She is simply that strong. Irene could maybe have done if she had better foresight, but it is what it is. Technically Irene still outlasted Erza, so Irene technically won.

Yeah that's how I see it. Except imo it was because he was in the FT guild that he got his boosted power. You can say "emotions" also isn't a pure source for MP but it still makes you stronger right ? In this manga anything goes lol. Anyway , I see it as the FT guild granting him power equivalent to the FT guild members fighting at their best. Natsu's guild mark glowing signifies this.

Well I made my argument in my previous post. The way I see it , Human Irene = Erza. They were fighting evenly. But when Irene went Dragon , she shattered Erza's bones with one swipe. And then she used Deus Sema , her strongest spell. I'd say if Erza gets her bones shattered with a claw , she shouldn't be able to break Irene's master enchant. Let's be honest here , Erza would've died had Irene stepped on her. So how can she break her strongest spell ? Imo it would require at least Laxus , Gildarts and Erza to break it. Also Dragon Irene = August , who low diffed Gildarts. So that would count as an outlier. The way I see it , Dragon Irene > Human Irene = Erza.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

Then Natsu should be solo-ing the DEs and anyone in FT. Erza should as well. If PoF was just standard power, Natsu and Erza would have rolfstomped this arc and went to slaughter the God tiers. Clearly they can't access that power without bs therefore they are outliers and labeled as PIS.

DE hasn't pushed them to a state where they have to use POF. Irene was never a god tier.

 

[Jko]

That irrelevant. POF is a legit power in FT. Erza was stronger than that metoer.



She was serious. Otherwise, she wouldn't try to drop a meteor on her.



Who cares. It has been offtopic for quite a while.

Explained above.

Yet she could kill her by stepping on her.... If she was serious Erza would be dead. She was stated to not be able to the entire time therefore she held back and wasn't serious lmao.

Obviously. This thread is a cluster f lol

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DE hasn't pushed them to a state where they have to use POF. Irene was never a god tier.

She smacked Acno down and they faced off against a God tier so they were pushed to the next level. Yet neither could harm a god tier while buffed. Ignia also noted Natsu using PoF and it was garbo to him lol. Gray also got pushed to the max and got rolfstomped and currently can't even take on the Rajinshuu in stats w/o a buff. They are weaker than their EoS PoF/PIS incarnations thus are outliers.

 

[grey matter]

Explained above.

Yet she could kill her by stepping on her.... If she was serious Erza would be dead. She was stated to not be able to the entire time therefore she held back and wasn't serious lmao.

Obviously. This thread is a cluster f lol

I actually agree lol.
But She was serious though, pulling down a meteor on Erza is definitely serious.
CIS? Sure. But she was completely serious about killing Erza, until she saw her smile in the end.

She smacked Acno down and they faced off against a God tier so they were pushed to the next level. Yet neither could harm a god tier while buffed. Ignia also noted Natsu using PoF and it was garbo to him lol. Gray also got pushed to the max and got rolfstomped and currently can't even take on the Rajinshuu in stats w/o a buff. They are weaker than their EoS PoF/PIS incarnations thus are outliers.

Jellal did the same as well, he pushed back human Acno. He even pushed back Dragon Acno lol, and was only stopped when he ran out of magic from Acno eating his meteor aura.

The point here is that, when Acno is fooling around, it's not a big deal to do this.
Acno didn't realize that Eileen was a DS, so she wasn't in his kill list then. Acno doesn't bother with those who're not DS, he either just ignores them or fools around with them.
A serious Acno would've given both Jellal and Eileen the God Serena treatment, considering that we know he can do the same even to August

Freed is stronger than we give him credit for.

 

[Axiomus]

Yeah that's how I see it. Except imo it was because he was in the FT guild that he got his boosted power. You can say "emotions" also isn't a pure source for MP but it still makes you stronger right ? In this manga anything goes lol. Anyway , I see it as the FT guild granting him power equivalent to the FT guild members fighting at their best. Natsu's guild mark glowing signifies this.

Well I made my argument in my previous post. The way I see it , Human Irene = Erza. They were fighting evenly. But when Irene went Dragon , she shattered Erza's bones with one swipe. And then she used Deus Sema , her strongest spell. I'd say if Erza gets her bones shattered with a claw , she shouldn't be able to break Irene's master enchant. Let's be honest here , Erza would've died had Irene stepped on her. So how can she break her strongest spell ? Imo it would require at least Laxus , Gildarts and Erza to break it. Also Dragon Irene = August , who low diffed Gildarts. So that would count as an outlier. The way I see it , Dragon Irene > Human Irene = Erza.

Well, emotions is a source of magic power. The one magic is love. It's a thing.

Oh, Irene is stronger than Erza. But I see no reason why smashing Sema should be held to an impossible standard. Physically speaking, Irene is pulling a space rock and throwing it at Erza. If you have read Hiro Mashima's hero's crossover, someone far weaker than Erza also managed to smash a space rock. Granted, Irene's space rock is bigger....but, it's still a rock. Irene said so herself that Dragon scales are harder to break.

Spoiler

 

[Kouichi]

I don't know about that lol.
But in Alverez arc, everyone I know of, put Gray and (DF) Gajeel above Erza, including me.
If you're talking of current arc, I don't even know where to find Jason Kieffer lol.

Facebook. He's been shoving his opinions towards debator on a death battle unrestricted group, if you wont listen to him you'll get blocked.

Also in as of current chapter he still thinks that.

Yeah, I should have listed God Serena and Jellal instead of MG and Invel lol.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

She smacked Acno down and they faced off against a God tier so they were pushed to the next level. Yet neither could harm a god tier while buffed.

She was not as pof as she was against Acno.

Ignia also noted Natsu using PoF and it was garbo to him lol.

Acnologia couldn't counter Natsu's pof. He was immobilized

Gray also got pushed to the max and got rolfstomped and currently can't even take on the Rajinshuu in stats w/o a buff.

Gray was fighting his friends and against Skullion he wasn't fighting on POF. He has a rage POF.

Yet she could kill her by stepping on her.... If she was serious Erza would be dead. She was stated to not be able to the entire time therefore she held back and wasn't serious lmao.

She was serious. Otherwise, you wouldn't try to drop a meteor on your own daughter.
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[Axiomus]

She smacked Acno down and they faced off against a God tier so they were pushed to the next level. Yet neither could harm a god tier while buffed. Ignia also noted Natsu using PoF and it was garbo to him lol. Gray also got pushed to the max and got rolfstomped and currently can't even take on the Rajinshuu in stats w/o a buff. They are weaker than their EoS PoF/PIS incarnations thus are outliers.

Zeref isn't on Ignia's level though. If Ignia is god tier, then Zeref simply isn't. Ignia would stomp Natsu even if he had his raging flames of emotions.

Gray's demonized form isn't something special lol. He uses it in every fight. The fact that he was restricted to no ice is a straight handicap.

I guarantee you when Natsu and Gray finally go all out with their max POF, they will be stronger than they were during Alvarez.

 

[grey matter]

Facebook. He's been shoving his opinions towards debator on a death battle unrestricted group, if you wont listen to him you'll get blocked.

Also in as of current chapter he still thinks that.

Yeah, I should have listed God Serena and Jellal instead of MG and Invel lol.

Ohh, I never use FB lol, it's cancer IMO

I'm pretty sure that MG is more tanky than Jellal lol, MG tanked everything thrown at him, which wasn't Devil Slayer magic, with almost no damage....including Natsu's DF + POF and CSK's attacks. I would've actually put MG higher if I knew where exactly our relevant characters stood compared to their x792 counterparts. All I now is that they're not completely powercrept, because Makarov's magic power is still seen in a pretty high standard even in 100 YQ arc, and he's likely Jura tier.

 

[Jko]

Zeref isn't on Ignia's level though. If Ignia is god tier, then Zeref simply isn't. Ignia would stomp Natsu even if he had his raging flames of emotions.

Gray's demonized form isn't something special lol. He uses it in every fight. The fact that he was restricted to no ice is a straight handicap.

Natsu beat Acno. No matter if he got boosted by the 6DS as Natsu was on a different level to all 6 DS that even if they put there MP into jim they would only come only come out as practically Natsu but a tad bit stronger. Their MP would make a minimal difference. Plus Natsu faced an Acno that was hyped on steroids. And that Acno actually dodged his attacks unlike the others. Plus Zeref is at least on the level of half of Acno yet Natsu completely did nothing to him.

He beat Invel with no DeS and was stomping with just his fist. Invel would slaughter the Rajinshuu. So the quality of his power went down considerably.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

He beat Invel with no DeS and was stomping with just his fist. Invel would slaughter the Rajinshuu. So the quality of his power went down considerably.

Not if freed pulls his rune magic against Invel's magic as he did against Gray.

 

[Jko]

Not if freed pulls his rune magic against Invel's magic as he did against Gray.

Invel's stats are greater than Rajinshuu's w/o Ice magic. They were taken out by a fodder proxy bot from Wall lol.

 

[grey matter]

Invel's stats are greater than Rajinshuu's w/o Ice magic. They were taken out by a fodder proxy bot from Wall lol.

Proxy was one shot by Freed.

They got taken out in a self destruct mode.

I don't know if Raijinshuu can take out Invel by restricting his magic..........maybe they would, considering that Invel's only offense is Ice magic, and that he hasn't shown any decent physical stats

 

[Demon Hunter]

everything during Alvarez is an outliner

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

nvel's stats are greater than Rajinshuu's w/o Ice magic. They were taken out by a fodder proxy bot from Wall lol.

The proxy used an explosion. Invel without magic will be in the same boat as Rajinshuu. He himself has no experience in hand to hand combat.

 

[grey matter]

everything during Alvarez is an outliner

I would say that it was more or less retardation than outliers.

There were only few outliers, but almost every fight was retarded from the POV of the villains.

 

[Kurumi Tokisaki]

If we do that then we come to conclusions like Neinhart's multicontinental level beam which oneshotted Jellal and Jacob's multicontinental punch.

Jacob= Saitama confirmed. Didn't know Saitama was Statham.

Don't forget Lucy's multi-continental durability he tanked Jacob's attack.

 

[GL_Nova]

atlantisreturns said:
If we do that then we come to conclusions like Neinhart's multicontinental level beam which oneshotted Jellal and Jacob's multicontinental punch.

Jacob= Saitama confirmed. Didn't know Saitama was Statham.

I mean, if we look at the scaling givin to us in the movies. That matches up. Phoenix was gunna wipe the planets surface, and was only considered a Zeref lvl threat. Animus with the DC was gonna waste the continent. An considering the given size for Fiore, which is considered a small country on their world, and the fact it has the surface area of Australia. Coupled with the fact all the Spriggans even the weakest are considered Country Demolisher’s. I don’t see how it wouldn’t be around this level. I mean not of the battle boards I’m on accepted that before 100YQ started. An we know for a fact that our portags have again leveled up. Even if all they did was become solidly on whatever tiers they were reaching for in Alvarez, it puts em all at Spriggan lvls.