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i spoke to the people there and they were saying they would encourage everyone to get and get one as soon as possible. The idea is to get herd immunity specially with those who travel, so getting it now is a good thing.
That's impressive, is this in illinois area? We had a mandatory 15 minute observation after the vaccine, which was a good thing too, as an immediate effect can be monitored.
suit yourself. Cant save everyone.My stance on COVID vaccines is.
I would rather be kicked in the balls(by an unathletic woman), than take an untested vaccine that only lasts 6 months. Intended to immunize against an illness that is dangerous to less than 0.3% of the population.
The cure is worse than the disease.
Evidence?
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How does this apply to covid vaccines? Pfizer, moderna and even Johnson and Johson have a much higher success rate (90%+ and 77% ).... Adn this is much higher than a flu shot, which is estimated around 50%.
If I believed in God, I'd be convinced Covid was an evolutionary tool used by him to clean out the gene pool of people that lack empathy for their fellow man. Responses like this is the reason why.Sanity_Check said:My stance on COVID vaccines is.
I would rather be kicked in the balls(by an unathletic woman), than take an untested vaccine that only lasts 6 months. Intended to immunize against an illness that is dangerous to less than 0.3% of the population.
The cure is worse than the disease.
Evidence?
contender for the best line ever lol....
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there are quite a few journalist and statisticians on the right who make fair points with factual data. The funny thing is that these people are not even covered by Fox and other so called conservative media as they debunk them often, and most of them moved away from republican party as well, after Trump won.
In America it's because conservatives are particularly anti-government (when it serves them at least), so anything the government tells them is something they should or have to do it's viewed as some sort of attempt at gaining power over them or taking rights from them. And Christian Nationalism is making an unfortunate rise right now.hokageji said:
What about the "cure" is worse than the disease?My stance on COVID vaccines is.
I would rather be kicked in the balls(by an unathletic woman), than take an untested vaccine that only lasts 6 months. Intended to immunize against an illness that is dangerous to less than 0.3% of the population.
The cure is worse than the disease.
I don't think vaccine can prevent cervical cancer though?
Gardisil HPV vaccine
"The benefit to public health is nothing, there is no reduction in cervical cancers, they are just postponed, unless the protection lasts for at least 15 years, and over 70% of all sexually active females of all ages are vaccinated." She also says that enough serious side effects have been reported after Gardasil use that the vaccine could prove riskier than the cervical cancer it purports to prevent.
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Like they say: history repeats itself?
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Abolish the FDA
The role of the state is to protect rights and guard against fraud, not to prevent people from making risky choices.
There is also that for anyone interested in a broader criticism of the US medical process.
no, in NJ. I didn't even factor in the 15-minute wait time, I think, otherwise it'd have been 30 an hour at most. For me it's not a big deal to leave after 15 minutes or even 10, but we should have stayed 30 for my mom and will do so next time.
I read how birth control has a higher rate/chances of blood clot than Johnson and Johnson, and how suspicious it is that they decided to recall J&J despite very low risk while doing nothing about birth control, which is more dangerous. That shit is scary, and it shows just how much the world hates women.
I've yet to see any of those journalists and statisticians though, which is probably not a good thing for conservatives. It's a shame how republicans are destroying themselves and yet, creating even stronger support by doing so.
That is still pretty impressive. Here, the 15 minute was mandatory and we stayed till they asked us to leave...
Unfortunately, most of their voter base doesn't care about real conservatism either. They are more concerned about Trumpist agendas.... But its good to see both sides of the argument, albeit the source is important.
It is confirmed to reduce risk of receiving the virus.Sanity_Check said:
It is confirmed to reduce risk of receiving the virus.
Interim Estimates of Vaccine Effectiveness of BNT162b2 and mRNA
mRNA COVID-19 vaccine effectiveness against SARS-CoV-2 infectionwww.cdc.gov
No one claimed it was a panacea.
Science supports vaccines as well.Sanity_Check said:
We gain our better understanding on how it effects the society at large the more people take these vaccines because we get a larger install base of different races, body types, and the like. And normally vaccines take about 5 years to "perfect" anyway, but the virus isn't waiting for us. Wait if you want to, but don't think you're not complicit in the virus sticking around. The less people that carry it means potentially less people can get it.
I'm not sure if it was, they didn't tell me it was, just that we were to wait. We were allowed to leave on our own, I guess they were hoping we'd comply just to be on the safe side.
It's the church of individualism. Any sort of collectivism, even in the face of terrible circumstances, is communist and evil. Because we're just all sheeple being manipulated by the billionaire class... who are enabled and empowered by right-wing economic policy. Makes sense, right?
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It's an HPV vaccine, and HPV can cause cervical cancer.
Yeah, I already admitted it's not a panacea. It's not a cure-all.Sanity_Check said:
Not all of them, no.
Flawed, yes. Doesn't work? No, because millions are being helped by the vaccines already. But that's not my argument. My argument is that given the opportunity to help society by taking the vaccine, you chose not to to protect yourself.
Thats because bill gates helped with the logistical issues that can occur with it. He's not an expert on the vaccine itself. Sure, his team helped with the malaria, but that the challenge was more of how to get things in place.
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you can put your faith in medical professionals. They know what they are doing. If you purchase a homeopathic vaccine, then sure, its not gonna work. But a vaccine rolled out to an entire nation by the government and handled by professionals, definitely.
No it isn't. But even if it was, no one here has blind faith in vaccines. I've consistently admitted to you that it's not considered to be a cure-all.Sanity_Check said:
If I can find links I'll post later.[/quote]
Whatever.
