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I’d agree more if it were multiple people.

You say that you need to push back against their posts, but replying to them causes them to spew more of this nonsense that then needs to be pushed back against. An endless feedback loop all for... a single person.

One would think the simpler solution would be just to issue a ban, but I guess some enjoy the game too much.
Well, no, see, the fact that it's only him proves it's working. I'm using him to make a point. I'm making an example out of him. And that example is "These beliefs are socially unacceptable, and you'll be treated the same way as Sanity Check if you have the same beliefs as him. Intolerance isn't to be tolerated."

It works. Also, banning is the last thing we wanna do with people like him, because people like Stephen Crowder and Ben Shapiro has been conditioning people like him to believe that that the left are anti free speech. S'not okay. Let him say what he wants to say, and let him suffer the consequences of said speech, but no banning. Besides. It's a friggin' anime forum. I'm sure he does more on this site than just let us bully him to "own the libs".
 

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You guys are still giving attention to them? No point engaging with someone that disingenuous/ignorant.

And most of the thread seems to be replies to them, sadly.
I only do it out of boredom, I know better than to take his ilk seriously, most of the time. Plus, talking about it can help educate others who don't know and are willing to learn or are on the fence.
 

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If any of you can make it 3 minutes into the above clip.

You might learn something.


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One would think the simpler solution would be just to issue a ban

I've tried to speak truth on the internet for 10+ years.

Spammed content like this for more than a decade. Made many predictions years in advance that were accurate. Did better than many who are supposed to be experts and pros.

No one ever listened or took me seriously.

They definitely won't start now. :toc

In 2 weeks, none of these people will remember a single word typed here.
 
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You do know I already conceded the point that there are black people who say the things she’s saying in this video, right? I even admitted that as a child I, a black kid, was called a “white boy” because I was an honors student who did his homework and chose to try to speak articulately. I bit the bullet on that. You keep bringing it up because you think you can attribute this behavior to EVERY black person in America which is yet again a generalization of an entire race on your behalf.
 

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You do know I already conceded the point that there are black people who say the things she’s saying in this video, right? I even admitted that as a child I, a black kid, was called a “white boy” because I was an honors student who did his homework and chose to try to speak articulately. I bit the bullet on that. You keep bringing it up because you think you can attribute this behavior to EVERY black person in America which is yet again a generalization of an entire race on your behalf.


...

I first saw this close to 10 years ago.

Still by far, the best.
 

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So the response to criticism of you overusing racial stereotypes is a video that enforces racial stereotypes? Or is the video "the best" because of how batshit stupid it is?
 

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I don't understand why you ask these questions.

I bet if I offered someone who reads this thread $100 if they could name a single thing I posted in this thread more than 1 month ago.

They couldn't remember a single thing -- without looking up old posts.

...

On the flip side, I can remember things I posted here months or even years ago.

I can remember responses I received and who posted them. I still remember things I posted on the internet more than 10 years ago and what the responses were. You may not know this as I haven't been active here, but I dig up things I said years ago all the time to confirm my predictions were accurate.

But the opposite is definitely not true and its 100% irrelevant what I say here -- none of you will remember it.

You won't remember my response, so why bother asking? :toc
 

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That doesn't mean much. Advocates of certain political parties/policies tend to use the same arguments that have been being used for decades now, whether it be on the right or the left.

Nothing you've posted here is anything any of us haven't heard before from the likes of Limbaugh or O'Reilly years ago. Even weirder, us remembering what you've posted in here doesn't mean we have to take it as truth, if it's not actually true. We can acknowledge what you've posted and STILL disagree with you.

It's what we've been doing after all.
 

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I bet if I offered someone who reads this thread $100 if they could name a single thing I posted in this thread more than 1 month ago.

They couldn't remember a single thing -- without looking up old posts.
we don't need to, we can just go on Facebook and find a random image from a right wing source or look for a conspiracy theory.
 

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I don't understand why you ask these questions.

I bet if I offered someone who reads this thread $100 if they could name a single thing I posted in this thread more than 1 month ago.

They couldn't remember a single thing -- without looking up old posts.

...

On the flip side, I can remember things I posted here months or even years ago.

I can remember responses I received and who posted them. I still remember things I posted on the internet more than 10 years ago and what the responses were. You may not know this as I haven't been active here, but I dig up things I said years ago all the time to confirm my predictions were accurate.

But the opposite is definitely not true and its 100% irrelevant what I say here -- none of you will remember it.

You won't remember my response, so why bother asking? :toc
I fail to see the relevance. Whether people remember everything someone said, this thread exists as a record of it.

"Why bother asking?".... well, this is a discussion forum. You're interested in doing that right? I probably prefer doing that over proselytizing about how right I am every other post.
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You could have also really did something out of turn and asked yourself why you think you had the reaction you had to that video and why I had the complete opposite reaction to it... or even better, maybe you could have asked a black person about it. But one would have to be interested in being enlightened in the first place, instead of wanking themselves off in public while at the same time referring to every discussion broached by yourself in this thread as irrelevant.
 

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I'm more than satisfied with the current state of affairs of this thread.

If any of you however are not satisfied.

Falsifiable predictions being a hallmark of science. We could each make political predictions, on any topic you like. To quantify who has superior comprehension of politics and current events, translating to greater accuracy in calling how things will play out.

Everyone thinks they know better than everyone else. Its not something that is worth disputing.

But if any of you so desire, it can be put to the test. :invalid

I couldn't care less.
 

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Sanity Check said:
Falsifiable predictions being a hallmark of science. We could each make political predictions, on any topic you like. To quantify who has superior comprehension of politics and current events, translating to greater accuracy in calling how things will play out.
No wonder you think you're schooling us then: you don't seem to understand what most of us value.

No one here is attempting to predict political outcomes except for you. We're trying to INFLUENCE political outcomes with our votes and our arguments, and you can't fix a problem without knowing what caused the problem.

If you could create a policy that helps black and brown people all over America, but it ignores the existence of systemic racism, then you've done nothing but put a band aid over a problem that's not healing. Even if you predicted how much better things will have gotten for us, you've still failed, just slowly. So no one's going to give you props for said failure except other Republicans that want to believe systemic racism doesn't exist.

Also: I always bristle at the idea of religious people claiming they value science or falsifiability. Depending on how religious they are, I really wanna know how you came to the conclusion that snakes can talk, the planet was surrounded by a firmament, and dead men can walk after 3 days.
 

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I don't understand why you ask these questions.

I bet if I offered someone who reads this thread $100 if they could name a single thing I posted in this thread more than 1 month ago.

They couldn't remember a single thing -- without looking up old posts.
That's pretty normal, for you are not a universally hailed political analyst.
Actually, even if you were, not remembering what your old remarks were means nothing. As long as the essence of an argument is not grasped, memorizing and reciting them means nothing.

On the flip side, I can remember things I posted here months or even years ago.

I can remember responses I received and who posted them. I still remember things I posted on the internet more than 10 years ago and what the responses were. You may not know this as I haven't been active here, but I dig up things I said years ago all the time to confirm my predictions were accurate.

But the opposite is definitely not true and its 100% irrelevant what I say here -- none of you will remember it.

You won't remember my response, so why bother asking? :toc
All this points out to is either you have some rather ridiculous obsession or you are being manipulative.
How about you stop being dodgy and respond properly to the question asked? If no one remembering what you have been posting for a decade did not stop you for, you know, a whole decade, why arbitrarily choose this very moment to not respond?
It makes sense if you are not going to keep repeating the same arguments moving forward and simply not talk, though. In that case, I see reason in your perspective and I shall stand corrected.

I'm more than satisfied with the current state of affairs of this thread.

If any of you however are not satisfied.

Falsifiable predictions being a hallmark of science. We could each make political predictions, on any topic you like. To quantify who has superior comprehension of politics and current events, translating to greater accuracy in calling how things will play out.

Everyone thinks they know better than everyone else. Its not something that is worth disputing.

But if any of you so desire, it can be put to the test. :invalid

I couldn't care less.
Please do not bring science up out of blue, when the large majority of the posts I have read from you comes from an ignorant perspective. Science is not ignorant; it covers all aspects of the topic at hand. What you consider as knowledge and accurate prediction skill is part of nothing but falsely conclusive arguments, which science does not use in trying to reach the truth.

No, they don't. This is oversimplifying our thought processes and also generalizing. I don't desire a test of my accuracy, but not projecting your personality onto others would be a lovely start.

For sure, you seem to be caring a lot, considering you have been digging things up you said ages ago to feel satisfied.
In my book, being self-important is not a sin, and we all are that way to a degree, but not being open about that is just lying to yourself.
 

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No one here is attempting to predict political outcomes except for you.

In 2016 when Trump was elected, the woke crew predicted Trump would round up LGBTs and minorities and place them in concentration camps. Where they would be oppressed/tortured/killed.

In 2020 when Biden was elected, I predicted Bill Cosby would receive a pardon or be released from prison. There are timestamps and evidence I can cite to prove this.

One prediction is the result of evidence, competence and knowledge. The other is is the opposite.

You probably "don't remember" which side you were on. But it does matter. The boy who cried wolf only had to be wrong twice to lose credibility. :invalid

One need only look as far as plummeting ratings for CNN, the oscar awards, netflix and others who embrace wokeness. To see which direction the wind of public opinion is blowing.


We're trying to INFLUENCE political outcomes with our votes and our arguments, and you can't fix a problem without knowing what caused the problem.

People being bombarded by many hundreds of advertisements and marketing campaigns every week.

They may no longer be swayed or influenced, the way they used to be.

I would like to see you "explain" systemic racism.

My US state legalized gay marriage. If you're gay no one cares. If you're black or a minority. No one cares. Maybe there is a tiny sliver of the population who is offended and hates those things. But they've been losing ground forever. Racist white forums like stormfront have been dead for more than a decade now.

Its really strange when people claim "racism" as if stormfront were active and growing with many members. When in reality, they're a dead trend that no one supports or cares about anymore.


If you could create a policy that helps black and brown people all over America, but it ignores the existence of systemic racism, then you've done nothing but put a band aid over a problem that's not healing. Even if you predicted how much better things will have gotten for us, you've still failed, just slowly. So no one's going to give you props for said failure except other Republicans that want to believe systemic racism doesn't exist.

Black slaves in america, who couldn't read. Were beaten or whipped if they were caught so much as holding a book to look at the pictures.

Today's slaves would never pick up a book of their own free will. They believe reading equates to being ashamed of their skin and trying to be white.


I really wanna know how you came to the conclusion that snakes can talk, the planet was surrounded by a firmament, and dead men can walk after 3 days.

1. Jesus refers to pharisees using the honorific "Sons of Vipers". A snake can refer to a person, as well as the animal.
2. Firmament is a term used in an attempt to overcome a language barrier. Depending on whether one endorses accretion theory to explain formation of planets, moons, etc. The shoe could fit.
3. Dry desert air can preserve corpses resulting in mummification. A big rock covered the entrance to the tomb. It may have been air tight enough to preserve the body.

Way off topic btw. If you want to continue this, take it to religious discussion thread.
 

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Trump reversed protection for LGBT+ people in healthcare, so that's almost the same, given they had no protection from discrimination. Bill Cosby also got off because of a deal made decades ago, which has nothing to do with Biden.

I'm pretty sure one of us (or two or three of us) explained systematic racism many times, but you refuse to listen.
 

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Racist white forums like stormfront have been dead for more than a decade now.
No, the site is still very much up

Its really strange when people claim "racism" as if stormfront were active and growing with many members. When in reality, they're a dead trend that no one supports or cares about anymore.
The site still has thousands of visitors every day. I know you're insistent on labeling this issue a "boogieman" or whatever, but I find it hard to believe you'd be this dense. White supremacy doesn't hinge it's existence on a single internet forum.
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In 2016 when Trump was elected, the woke crew predicted Trump would round up LGBTs and minorities and place them in concentration camps. Where they would be oppressed/tortured/killed.
If the fear is rooted in a very real fear of erosion of rights, is it that much more absurd than thinking liberals are coming to take all the guns away and put people in re-education camps?
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I find it interesting that seemingly the entire basis for your point here is that because fearmongering exists, racism/bigotry doesn't actually exist in any meaningful way.
 

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Trump reversed protection for LGBT+ people in healthcare, so that's almost the same, given they had no protection from discrimination. Bill Cosby also got off because of a deal made decades ago, which has nothing to do with Biden.

I'm pretty sure one of us (or two or three of us) explained systematic racism many times, but you refuse to listen.

Trump and republicans may have reversed state funding for abortion.

And funding for gender reassignment surgery being covered under obamacare and other federal spending programs.

"Reversing protections for LGBT" is a mislabeling of it.

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Oh. Did you "mansplain" something at some point?

I thought you only came here to call me names.


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No, the site is still very much up



The site still has thousands of visitors every day. I know you're insistent on labeling this issue a "boogieman" or whatever, but I find it hard to believe you'd be this dense. White supremacy doesn't hinge it's existence on a single internet forum.

We need valid indicators to determine the legitimacy of danger that "white supremacy" poses.

Stormfront is an indicator. What's "controversial" about that.
 

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We need valid indicators to determine the legitimacy of danger that "white supremacy" poses.

Stormfront is an indicator. What's "controversial" about that.
We don't though, the ideology itself is enough.

I think it's controversial to downplay threat because of a single website that has happened to be deplatformed at times during it's history. You've been online enough to know that there are other, more "modern" ways for like-minded people to congregate. No need to feign ignorance in order to serve whatever point you think you're making.
 

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We don't though, the ideology itself is enough.

I think it's controversial to downplay threat because of a single website that has happened to be deplatformed at times during it's history. You've been online enough to know that there are other, more "modern" ways for like-minded people to congregate. Don't feign ignorance.

White supremacists are invisible, imaginary, unicorns in my backyard.

And you're foiling my attempts to quantify evidence for whether or not they're real.

How hard is it for the average person to recognize the woke left is the side that oppresses and restricts attempts at logic.
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All this points out to is either you have some rather ridiculous obsession or you are being manipulative.
How about you stop being dodgy and respond properly to the question asked? If no one remembering what you have been posting for a decade did not stop you for, you know, a whole decade, why arbitrarily choose this very moment to not respond?
It makes sense if you are not going to keep repeating the same arguments moving forward and simply not talk, though. In that case, I see reason in your perspective and I shall stand corrected.

What do you want?

Be specific, you'll get a straight answer.


Please do not bring science up out of blue, when the large majority of the posts I have read from you comes from an ignorant perspective. Science is not ignorant; it covers all aspects of the topic at hand. What you consider as knowledge and accurate prediction skill is part of nothing but falsely conclusive arguments, which science does not use in trying to reach the truth.

No, they don't. This is oversimplifying our thought processes and also generalizing. I don't desire a test of my accuracy, but not projecting your personality onto others would be a lovely start.

For sure, you seem to be caring a lot, considering you have been digging things up you said ages ago to feel satisfied.
In my book, being self-important is not a sin, and we all are that way to a degree, but not being open about that is just lying to yourself.

Let's be real.

A safe space is not a good environment for developing science, critical thinking, logic or skepticism.

Its the opposite.

How clear this becomes over time, is entirely up to you. In terms of how much you want to try to debate with me.


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White supremacists are invisible, imaginary, unicorns in my backyard.

And you're foiling my attempts to quantify evidence for whether or not they're real.

How hard is it for the average person to recognize the woke left is the side that oppresses and restricts attempts at logic.
What is your motivation for saying that? Trump's own DOH has said the complete opposite.

How would you "quantify" it though? Cherry-picking a single internet forum, being incorrect, and then acting like you expounded upon some masterfully astute point?

The "woke left" isn't a pervasive concept, rooted in centuries of history in this country. Where are they oppressing people and being anti-logic?
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What are the real-world consequences of someone who lists their pronouns saying something you don't agree with? Is this how you would describe oppression? You don't know what the fuck real oppression is then.
 
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