American Politics

[kkck]

Wars are fought for money or political gain.

Seldom or never for ideological concerns.

Well, sure, that's why the south betrayed the US and attempted to secede.

 

[Sanity Check]

Well, sure, that's why the south betrayed the US and attempted to secede.

Very short list of slavery in 2021 (off the top of my head).

Cat and dog food in supermarkets can be tied to fishing industry slavery in asia.

Sea salts in supermarkets can be tied to slavery in south korea.

Clothes, hats and shoes can usually be tied to sweatshops and slavery around the world.

Ipods, ipads, iphones, smartphones, electronics are often tied to child labor, slavery and foxconn worker concentration camps in china.

Dubai was built on slave labor.

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Where are the wars being fought to end these practices?

Do you even care if the goods you buy and use on a daily basis were products of slave labor?

 

[M3J]

The Civil War was fought for ideological reasons, mainly the South wanting to keep slavery and scared the North would abolish it. If it weren't for the war though, we'd still probably have slavery.

 

[kkck]

Very short list of slavery in 2021 (off the top of my head).

Cat and dog food in supermarkets can be tied to fishing industry slavery in asia.

Sea salts in supermarkets can be tied to slavery in south korea.

Clothes, hats and shoes can usually be tied to sweatshops and slavery around the world.

Ipods, ipads, iphones, smartphones, electronics are often tied to child labor, slavery and foxconn worker concentration camps in china.

Dubai was built on slave labor.

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Where are the wars being fought to end these practices?

Do you even care if the goods you buy and use on a daily basis were products of slave labor?

Sure, but what does any of that have to do with the civil war fought 200 years ago at the US or the statues of traitors to the US?

I am sort of ok with sweat shops tbh (give or take some depending on context). The reality is that people who work at sweatshops aren't there instead of going to school. Take their shitty job away and they simply don't have a job, the pennies that come with them and by extension the stuff they can buy with said pennies (in most cases food). Regarding stuff, I am in no form for it but it's absurd and plain disingenuous to compare people who receive slave wages to people who didn't even receive wages. As in seriously, have a little shame at least.

 

[xi0]

Very short list of slavery in 2021 (off the top of my head).

Cat and dog food in supermarkets can be tied to fishing industry slavery in asia.

Sea salts in supermarkets can be tied to slavery in south korea.

Clothes, hats and shoes can usually be tied to sweatshops and slavery around the world.

Ipods, ipads, iphones, smartphones, electronics are often tied to child labor, slavery and foxconn worker concentration camps in china.

Dubai was built on slave labor.

...


Where are the wars being fought to end these practices?

Do you even care if the goods you buy and use on a daily basis were products of slave labor?

So you acknowledge that there's no such thing as fully ethical consumption? How revolutionary of you.

 

[Sanity Check]

The Civil War was fought for ideological reasons, mainly the South wanting to keep slavery and scared the North would abolish it. If it weren't for the war though, we'd still probably have slavery.

Wars are started by the rich. And fought by the poor.

2nd invasion of iraq marketing brochure: "we must invade iraq to liberate iraqis living in poverty and give them freedom".

10+ years later, would you say war in the middle east helped the poor or rich more?

The same precedent applies also to slavery in the USA.

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I am sort of ok with sweat shops tbh (give or take some depending on context). The reality is that people who work at sweatshops aren't there instead of going to school. Take their shitty job away and they simply don't have a job, the pennies that come with them and by extension the stuff they can buy with said pennies (in most cases food). Regarding stuff, I am in no form for it but it's absurd and plain disingenuous to compare people who receive slave wages to people who didn't even receive wages. As in seriously, have a little shame at least.

I guess the harsh reality of it is, the majority of us don't do a good job managing our time or resources. And that's where things like sweatshops and slavery come from.

As those who do manage their time and resources are the ones with the power to decide our future.

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So you acknowledge that there's no such thing as fully ethical consumption? How revolutionary of you.

In the 1980s.. many gang leaders encouraged gang members to settle disputes with break dance battles. Because "human life is valuable, we should treat others respectfully". And ideologies such as those.

Today in 2021... a gang leader is probably viewed as a mercilessly bloodthirsty sociopath who murders innocents and treats people like trash.

People have a tendency to inaccurately judge history within the context of their own era.

Just because today's production and manufacturing sectors aren't the most ethical. Doesn't imply things must always be this way, or that there isn't room for change.

 

[xi0]

Just because today's production and manufacturing sectors aren't the most ethical. Doesn't imply things must always be this way, or that there isn't room for change.

And how does that change get brought about? Deregulation? Lower taxes?

 

[M3J]

Wars are started by the rich. And fought by the poor.

2nd invasion of iraq marketing brochure: "we must invade iraq to liberate iraqis living in poverty and give them freedom".

10+ years later, would you say war in the middle east helped the poor or rich more?

The same precedent applies also to slavery in the USA.

Okay, but the Civil War was started over slavery, because the South wanted to keep slavery. Weren't the majority of Southerners who fought rich? Other than civil wars, wars are usually fought by the poor and started by those in power.

 

[kkck]

Okay, but the Civil War was started over slavery, because the South wanted to keep slavery. Weren't the majority of Southerners who fought rich? Other than civil wars, wars are usually fought by the poor and started by those in power.

Nah, the majority who fought wasn't rich. Imagine a majority of the south's (or any country's) population being rich. That's absurd. But the south did have an agriculture based economy which heavily relied on black slaves.

 

[M3J]

Nah, the majority who fought wasn't rich. Imagine a majority of the south's (or any country's) population being rich. That's absurd. But the south did have an agriculture based economy which heavily relied on black slaves.

I could be wrong as media like Gone With the Wind probably showed the wealthy owners only. But it'd make sense given how much profit they could make off selling tobacco, cotton, and the likes due to the climate.

 

[kkck]

I could be wrong as media like Gone With the Wind probably showed the wealthy owners only. But it'd make sense given how much profit they could make off selling tobacco, cotton, and the likes due to the climate.

Erh, sure? Are you under the impression that everyone in south was a plantation and slave owner?

 

[M3J]

no, just the majority

 

[kkck]

no, just the majority

All I can do is point out that that is obviously absurd. Almost as absurd as everyone in the south being rich.

 

[M3J]

But I never said everyone was? Don't be such a left wing, kick

 

[kkck]

Okay, but the Civil War was started over slavery, because the South wanted to keep slavery. Weren't the majority of Southerners who fought rich? Other than civil wars, wars are usually fought by the poor and started by those in power.

Welp, you did say this... So...

 

[Sanity Check]

And how does that change get brought about? Deregulation? Lower taxes?

People believe politics, taxes, economics are zero sum games that have zero effect on their lives. They discuss libertarianism and stimulus plans as if they were talking about the weather on mars, topics that are completely irrelevant.

Those same people are shocked and surprised when rising oil prices affect their bottom line.

Things might change if people start to care more about their lives and their future. Enough to realize their future and fate is being decided by those in power -- who don't necessarily care about them.

Apathy would appear to be the largest obstacle to progress.

Okay, but the Civil War was started over slavery, because the South wanted to keep slavery. Weren't the majority of Southerners who fought rich? Other than civil wars, wars are usually fought by the poor and started by those in power.

Under the tariff of 1828, the south paid 75% of total tax revenues collected in the country.

That was the real motive behind the civil war if I remember right.

The only wars fought with slavery being the main cause (that I know of) were events like the servile wars (Spartacus) which were fought by slaves.

 

[M3J]

Welp, you did say this... So...

I know I said that, that's the post I was thinking of where I know I said MAJORITY, not ALL, and I rarely ever remember my posts.

People believe politics, taxes, economics are zero sum games that have zero effect on their lives. They discuss libertarianism and stimulus plans as if they were talking about the weather on mars, topics that are completely irrelevant.

Those same people are shocked and surprised when rising oil prices affect their bottom line.

Things might change if people start to care more about their lives and their future. Enough to realize their future and fate is being decided by those in power -- who don't necessarily care about them.

Apathy would appear to be the largest obstacle to progress.





Under the tariff of 1828, the south paid 75% of total tax revenues collected in the country.

That was the real motive behind the civil war if I remember right.

The only wars fought with slavery being the main cause (that I know of) were events like the servile wars (Spartacus) which were fought by slaves.

Maybe in your revisionist history, but if that was the case then it wouldn't have taken nearly 40 years for the South to start the war, when they were scared that Lincoln would abolish slavery.

 

[Sanity Check]

Maybe in your revisionist history, but if that was the case then it wouldn't have taken nearly 40 years for the South to start the war, when they were scared that Lincoln would abolish slavery.

Some say the USA invasion of iraq was all about oil, money, military industrial complex and ruling elite political narratives.

Others say it was to liberate oppressed iraq to bring them freedom and democracy.

Some say the american civil war was motivated by taxes, while others say it was to "liberate oppressed slaves, bring them freedom and democracy".

There are patterns in history that repeat. Due to us collectively failing to know and understand basic history.

 

[ninjabot]

Very short list of slavery in 2021

(off the top of my head).

First of all, if you have to resort to whataboutism to make your argument seem stronger, you're already admitting to us that you agree with us on how bad the south was during the Civil War, but don't want to admit it without pointing to other people's transgressions so it makes the Right seem less reprehensible. You could've saved face and just said "Yeah, the south were the badguys."

Cat and dog food in supermarkets can be tied to fishing industry slavery in asia.

Which is bad.

Sea salts in supermarkets can be tied to slavery in south korea.

Also bad.

Clothes, hats and shoes can usually be tied to sweatshops and slavery around the world.

Capitalism is evil, I agree.

Ipods, ipads, iphones, smartphones, electronics are often tied to child labor, slavery and foxconn worker concentration camps in china.

Not just slavery, but child slavery in a lot of these cases. Also bad.

Dubai was built on slave labor.

And leftists bring this to attention while explaining why it is the way it is. Hint: capitalism is a big part of the problem here too

Where are the wars being fought to end these practices?

Are you suggesting we fly over to southeast asian countries and start burning down factories and overthrowing their government? Do you not see how that differs from simply fighting your own fellow Americans? You're trying to point to some sort of hypocrisy that isn't there.

Do you even care if the goods you buy and use on a daily basis were products of slave labor?

Lefties do, sure. It's why we vote for policies that try to tear down the systems that keep these crimes happening. But there is no ethical consumption under capitalism. No one's going to starve to death or go without clothing just to stand up for their values. I can't help anyone if I die from exposure during the winter.

 

[M3J]

No matter what "some" say, the fact still remains the Civil War was started by the South because they wanted to keep slavery and were scared that Lincoln would free slaves. Talking about other wars isn't going to change that fact, unfortunately. It was beyond stupid because Lincoln was never going to abolish slavery otherwise, and the North was just as racist, but at least thanks to their stupidity Black people are a bit more free.

Wish it was 100% free though.