American Politics

[Sanity Check]

What is your motivation for saying that? Trump's own DOH has said the complete opposite.

How would you "quantify" it though? Cherry-picking a single internet forum, being incorrect, and then acting like you expounded upon some masterfully astute point?

Its hilarious that you label the department of homeland security Trump's.

After Trump fired FBI director James Comey and has been at odds with heads of intelligence, homeland security and the military ever since.

The term "mass shooting" itself could be considered racist, considering it doesn't cover minority shootings related to gang violence.

The "woke left" isn't a pervasive concept, rooted in centuries of history in this country.

It 100% is.

That is what makes it predictable.

Definitely not predictable in a good way. But predictable nonetheless.

Some on the left know I predicted some of their moves years in advance. As well as predicting some of their errors which they later corrected, years in advance. Not that it did me any good. My time and energy would be better spent elsewhere.

Where are they oppressing people and being anti-logic?

If you have to ask about people being deplatformed for speaking the truth.

You haven't been paying attention.

What are the real-world consequences of someone who lists their pronouns saying something you don't agree with? Is this how you would describe oppression? You don't know what the fuck real oppression is then.

People are being "oppressed" for their pronouns?

Isn't that 100% the reason people tend to look down upon millennials btw.

 

[xi0]

Its hilarious that you label the department of homeland security Trump's.

After Trump fired FBI director James Comey and has been at odds with heads of intelligence, homeland security and the military ever since.

The term "mass shooting" itself could be considered racist, considering it doesn't cover minority shootings related to gang violence.

Alright then no government agency can be trusted and it's all a psy-op to vilify white people... right?

I don't think a lack of consensus on terminology, considering there's no legal definition, is indicative of racism. But if that's something that's important to you, fair enough. Not surprised, I guess.

It 100% is.

That is what makes it predictable.

Definitely not predictable in a good way. But predictable nonetheless.

Some on the left know I predicted some of their moves years in advance. As well as predicting some of their errors which they later corrected, years in advance. Not that it did me any good. My time and energy would be better spent elsewhere.

Yeah I remember Marx writing missives about ecoterrorism and trans rights.... you got me there

"Some on the left know".... who? Who cares?

If you have to ask about people being deplatformed for speaking the truth.

You haven't been paying attention.

"Speaking the truth" is such a nebulous thing to say. What does that mean?

Stormfront doesn't have a right to their website being hosted, this is up to the companies that want their money.

People are being "oppressed" for their pronouns?

Isn't that 100% the reason people tend to look down upon millennials btw.

No, it was a joke about you thinking leftists are oppressing people like you

 

[Sanity Check]

it's all a psy-op to vilify white people... right?

That has never been something, I've been concerned with.

And it likely never will be.

Too superficial. (At least in the context, that you define it.)

"Speaking the truth" is such a nebulous thing to say. What does that mean?

Stormfront doesn't have a right to their website being hosted, this is up to the companies that want their money.

Being exposed to different ideas and realities is part of a legit education process.

People being exposed to stormfront and being repulsed by it, could reduce racism in society.

What motive could there be behind censoring stormfront. Nothing good.

No, it was a joke about you thinking leftists are oppressing people like you

Is deplatforming someone simply due to not agreeing with their views a form of oppression?

I think Hitler would definitely support deplatforming.

While Trump and the conservative right would oppose.

 

[ninjabot]

In 2016 when Trump was elected, the woke crew predicted Trump would round up LGBTs and minorities and place them in concentration camps. Where they would be oppressed/tortured/killed.

I JUST said no one in here was trying to predict things and your response was to refer to people outside of the forum so that you could keep pursuing this waste of an argument.

Why the hell can't you just address what we actually say?

One need only look as far as plummeting ratings for CNN, the oscar awards, netflix and others who embrace wokeness. To see which direction the wind of public opinion is blowing.

If you're claiming that "go woke, go broke" is a real thing, then stop trying to change the subject. And also, you're wrong. Correlation is not causation. I remember you trying to claim NY and LA were seeing a mass exodus of people moving away from there because they're trying to flee from overly liberal/woke areas, when really the answer was just that it's too damn expensive to live in these places.

The term "mass shooting" itself could be considered racist, considering it doesn't cover minority shootings related to gang violence.

Because of context. Types of violent acts are categorized differently based on things like motive and targets and scale. Gang violence is called gang violence because it's violent acts committed by gang members. Mass shootings are called mass shootings because it typically just refers to many people being shot excluding the perpetrator. There's no real consensus in the world as to what makes a mass shooting a mass shooting, but it's generally accepted that there's just a lot of victims.

The gang violence you're referring to doesn't count as a mass shooting because gang violence is typically between two parties, not one assailant attacking multiple people.

You're probably just upset at the over representation of white people when it comes to mass shootings.

 

[Sanity Check]

Why the hell can't you just address what we actually say?

Its hilarious how I respond with 2 to 4 short sentences.

Trying to keep everything as clear and simple as possible.

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While you respond with 20 paragraphs. Trying to make things as overcomplicated, confusing and deflectionary as possible.

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Then you accuse me of "avoiding" things.

LOL

 

[ninjabot]

Being exposed to different ideas and realities is part of a legit education process.

People being exposed to stormfront and being repulsed by it, could reduce racism in society.

What motive could there be behind censoring stormfront. Nothing good.

These aren't new ideas that need to be addressed or presented to impressionable young men. It's how you get things like the Charlottesville tiki torch marches. Nothing positive came from that.

Is deplatforming someone simply due to not agreeing with their views a form of oppression?

Is that the only reason they're being deplatformed, or is it because they're afraid their message will result in violence? You're pretending that all opinions are equal and deserving of attention when they aren't.

I think Hitler would definitely support deplatforming.

While Trump and the conservative right would oppose.

Deplatforming isn't censorship. No one's free speech is taken from them when they're deplatformed. Their platform is taken from them. Also, Trump and the conservative right sure are trying their best to kill CRT. That doesn't sound like they value dissenting opinions.

 

[xi0]

That has never been something, I've been concerned with.

And it likely never will be.

Too superficial. (At least in the context, that you define it.)

Good for you, I guess? I don't see how that addresses what I said.

Being exposed to different ideas and realities is part of a legit education process.

People being exposed to stormfront and being repulsed by it, could reduce racism in society.

What motive could there be behind censoring stormfront. Nothing good.

How does this address the fact that you're downplaying the prevalence of white supremacy?

Is Stormfront irrelevant or not? Since you seem to suggest they're being censored, there would have to be quite the degree of relevancy there, wouldn't there? Unless you're trying to suggest something of merit is going on there or sites of their ilk.

Is deplatforming someone simply due to not agreeing with their views a form of oppression?

I think Hitler would definitely support deplatforming.

While Trump and the conservative right would oppose.

I think there's more to Stormfront losing hosting than people "simply not agreeing with their views". I don't agree with making disgusting ideas "illegal", and it's better for them to be front and center. But I also don't think the government has any cause to enforce that and force hosting companies to keep those sites up if they violate their terms of service.

Trump would absolutely support deplatforming anyone that said anything untoward about him if he could get away with it. He has no principles.

 

[Sanity Check]

These aren't new ideas that need to be addressed or presented to impressionable young men. It's how you get things like the Charlottesville tiki torch marches. Nothing positive came from that.

Charlottesville is a democrat blue city.

Its not a conservative or right wing region like florida or texas.

Every torch holding "white supremacist" looked like a registered democrat to me.

Is that the only reason they're being deplatformed, or is it because they're afraid their message will result in violence? You're pretending that all opinions are equal and deserving of attention when they aren't.

Thanks for the anti freedom of speech messaging.

Are you certain you're a centrist moderate? Censorship aimed at abolishing freedom of speech leans far left.

Deplatforming isn't censorship. No one's free speech is taken from them when they're deplatformed. Their platform is taken from them. Also, Trump and the conservative right sure are trying their best to kill CRT. That doesn't sound like they value dissenting opinions.

Zero transparency, accountability, safeguards or oversight involved with the deplatforming process.

Would appear to be a process ripe for exploitation, predation and abuse.

Agree / disagree?

 

[ninjabot]

Its hilarious how I respond with 2 to 4 short sentences.

Trying to keep everything as clear and simple as possible.

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While you respond with 20 paragraphs. Trying to make things as overcomplicated, confusing and deflectionary as possible.

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Then you accuse me of "avoiding" things.

LOL

Typical woke left.

Who cares how short your response is if it's responding to a straw man? You claimed your predictions were correct where as ours weren't.

I then pointed out we weren't making predictions, so you changed your target to a strawman of us; some weird non existent leftists outside of this forum who expected concentration camps for gays...? One would think that if you were owning us with correct predictions you could simply quote some of our own failed predictions and show us where we were wrong.

Matter of fact: go ahead. Do exactly that. Find a post in this thread where I've made a political prediction that didn't come true. Bonus points if you told me it wouldn't come true in a response, and then was correct.

 

[xi0]

Also, Trump and the conservative right sure are trying their best to kill CRT. That doesn't sound like they value dissenting opinions.

Yeah, I wonder how that one Texas school district that said there needed to be an "alternative view" presented when teaching about the Holocaust would tackle a topic like CRT...

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Charlottesville is a democrat blue city.

Its not a conservative or right wing region like florida or texas.

Every torch holding "white supremacist" looked like a registered democrat to me.

This is easily you're most deluded take so far, and that's saying a lot

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Even if you wanted to suggest such a thing, implying that everyone at that rally is from Charlottesville makes this line of thinking flimsy at it's base

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Zero transparency, accountability, safeguards or oversight involved with the deplatforming process.

Would appear to be a process ripe for exploitation, predation and abuse.

Agree / disagree?

This is the kind of thing that the ACLU exists for.... but you guys on the right would have to stomach it's existence first.

 

[ninjabot]

Charlottesville is a democrat blue city.

Its not a conservative or right wing region like florida or texas.

Every torch holding "white supremacist" looked like a registered democrat to me.

The capital was blue as well. That didn't stop what happened on January 6th. It's almost as if people can travel!

Thanks for the anti freedom of speech messaging.

Are you certain you're a centrist moderate? Censorship aimed at abolishing freedom of speech leans far left.

I am a leftist. And being pro-deplatforming isn't being anti free speech. Stormfront has a right to say what they want, but they don't have a right to anyone's platform.

Zero transparency, accountability, safeguards or oversight involved with the deplatforming process.

Would appear to be a process ripe for exploitation, predation and abuse.

Agree / disagree?

I don't think it matters whether I agree or disagree. I don't get to tell someone what they're allowed to do with their platform. They can host or cancel to their heart's content. I agree that free speech is to be protected, but I also know that free speech isn't freedom from consequences of said speech, and no one owes any one else a platform.

 

[M3J]

Trump and republicans may have reversed state funding for abortion.

And funding for gender reassignment surgery being covered under obamacare and other federal spending programs.

"Reversing protections for LGBT" is a mislabeling of it.

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Oh. Did you "mansplain" something at some point?

I thought you only came here to call me names.

Which harms women, and it shows they hate women and are waging war against women.

No, they did way more than that. You clearly know nothing about this.

No, I'm here to learn and have convos with others who are actually knowledgeable and worth talking to. Unfortunately, I cannot call you names as it is against the rules, and when I have tried in the past, my posts either got deleted or edited. be thankful.


Also, deplatforming is totally valid if the speaker is a bigot or will say bigoted things, especially if it puts others in danger.

 

[Sanity Check]

No, they did way more than that. You clearly know nothing about this.

Also, deplatforming is totally valid if the speaker is a bigot or will say bigoted things, especially if it puts others in danger.

I bet I've seen and laughed at more hairy men, walking down the street wearing dresses in broad daylight, than you have. That translates to more real life experience -- making me a greater authority on topics relating to LGBTs.

Flashback to 2016. You were likely upset about Trump exercising his executive powers without much authority or oversight.

Now here you are in 2021 claiming its 100% perfectly acceptable to deplatform and censor people without accountability, transparency or oversight.

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[Hakuteiken]

White supremacists are invisible, imaginary, unicorns in my backyard.

And you're foiling my attempts to quantify evidence for whether or not they're real.

How hard is it for the average person to recognize the woke left is the side that oppresses and restricts attempts at logic.

Suppressing any minority voice has been the trademark of humanity. There is no need for quantifiable evidence.
Playing the reductionist game and labeling anything that is challenging the thought system as "woke" is indeed an attempt at restricting logic, if that was what you tried to imply.

Your manipulative game is pretty ironic, as you keep trying to call people out for what you are doing yourself.

What do you want?

Be specific, you'll get a straight answer.

Me? Nothing. The question wasn't mine.
I merely pointed out the contradicting statements you presented to dodge the question.

Let's be real.

A safe space is not a good environment for developing science, critical thinking, logic or skepticism.

Its the opposite.

How clear this becomes over time, is entirely up to you. In terms of how much you want to try to debate with me.

A bold invite coming from someone talking about the unicorns in his backyard.

And? Projecting onto others is not just a mere violation of safe space. You use logic and critical thinking to challenge a safe space, which you did not, when the easier way is to resort to baseless projections, right? So, I think it's about time we stop, or let's be real, you stop with this non sequitur.

Realistically speaking, I don't see a clouded angle in my perception. If this is more a case of misrepresentation, the onus is on you to correct that.

 

[Sanity Check]

If this is more a case of misrepresentation, the onus is on you to correct that.

If someone claims white supremacists exist and are a clear and present threat to society.

The onus called a burden of proof is on them to support their perspective with evidence. Is it not?

I ask for evidence and logic to support that and you label it "playing a reductionist game" and "restricting logic".

Its difficult to say anything, if you do not practice what you preach.

 

[xi0]

The onus called a burden of proof is on them to support their perspective with evidence. Is it not?

We've had this boogeyman discussion before. You make that claim, I show clear evidence showing the opposite. You then ignore it and change the subject.

Except this time you've decided to suggest Neo-fascists and KKK members demonstrating in public are actually Democrats. So what good is "proof" if you'll still be willfully dishonest about what is shown?

And to be frank, when the hell was party affiliation even brought up in the first place? Do you think anyone here is suggesting there aren't white supremacists who vote Blue? You seem rather enthusiastic about acknowledging their existence, don't you?

 

[Hakuteiken]

If someone claims white supremacists exist and are a clear and present threat to society.

The onus called a burden of proof is on them to support their perspective with evidence. Is it not?

I ask for evidence and logic to support that and you label it "playing a reductionist game" and "restricting logic".

Its difficult to say anything, if you do not practice what you preach.

Lol, you really went ahead and quoted a different part of my post to tie it up to another part of yours. How very condescending of you to do so.

Yeah, I'm sure someone who is referring to a supposedly unproven theory as unicorns in the backyard is using some unrestricted logic to openly accept changes to his views.

If you truly have an open mind, you are misrepresenting it and the onus is on you to correct that.

Waiting for you to spin that and ask me for white supremacy proof again, I have some time today.

 

[Sanity Check]

We've had this boogeyman discussion before. You make that claim, I show clear evidence showing the opposite.

"I show clear evidence showing the opposite."



Quote text to where this.

"Happened".

You're just flat out lying now.

 

[xi0]

"I show clear evidence showing the opposite."



Quote text to where this.

"Happened".

You're just flat out lying now.

Linked to numerous articles, pictures, even quoting our own government... but that's not good enough. The goalposts are constantly moved, and that's not uncharacteristic sadly.

But somehow we got to the point that "white supremacy is a boogeyman because they're actually Democrats". The logic you routinely refer to routinely fails you.

 

[M3J]

I bet I've seen and laughed at more hairy men, walking down the street wearing dresses in broad daylight, than you have. That translates to more real life experience -- making me a greater authority on topics relating to LGBTs.

Flashback to 2016. You were likely upset about Trump exercising his executive powers without much authority or oversight.

Now here you are in 2021 claiming its 100% perfectly acceptable to deplatform and censor people without accountability, transparency or oversight.

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I can't tell if you're genuinely stupid or if you're just trolling.

And I've been saying that since at latest 2016, and deplatforming people is holding them accountable. I also don't get how those two are related, but it's you after all. Nothing makes sense about you, other than ignorance.