Discussion Erza Scarlet Thread

[Demon Hunter]

He's talking about the new "power" she displayed when she made Neinhart's Historias vanish by simply saying "Begone" and staring at them. Her eyes seemed somewhat different than usual and Neinhart recognized something related to Irene in that power

oh that part where Nainhart was shitting in his pants when he learned that Erza is related to Irene??

I always though that historians vanished because they were afraid of Erza, especially since Erza gave them that speech about how she defeated them and so she can do it again.

 

[Takuan]

oh that part where Nainhart was shitting in his pants when he learned that Erza is related to Irene??

I always though that historians vanished because they were afraid of Erza, especially since Erza gave them that speech about how they defeated them and so she can do it again.

Well, Neinhart saw Erza's hair color from the start and didn't think about a possible relation with Irene. It was only when Erza made the Historias disappear, that it kinda rang a bell for him and he was like "This hair... This magic... Could she be related to Irene?"

 

[Demon Hunter]

hm then it will be interesting although I don't know what kind of magic is that nor would it help in the future. staring at some corpses to the point where they vanish out of fear won't help her in battles

 

[Indira]

The Historia's simply vanished because of Erza's extremely strong will power. Neinhart noted that Erza's magical pressure is similar to Irene's which is only used to signify that there is a connection between her and Irene. Nothing more.

 

[Summer]

Well, Neinhart saw Erza's hair color from the start and didn't think about a possible relation with Irene. It was only when Erza made the Historias disappear, that it kinda rang a bell for him and he was like "This hair... This magic... Could she be related to Irene?"

Even if they were really related , that doesn't means erza know how to use Irene magic . Child doesn't inherent same magic power / type whatsoever of their parent . Erza magic is just simply re-equip . And the " power " that she use against neinhart is pof no jutsu . Easy to says bullshit .

 

[reesestl]

It is not uncommon in Mangas to defeat enemies by merely using your latent power or what they call "ki attack" usually. Seen again and again. It was akin to something like that where its blast of magic. It just shows her overwhelming magic power. If at all she has gained new power, she might have unlocked another inner magical vessel. That is the nature of power-ups in Fairy tail. It is not some new power from eyes or something. In this manga, the type of magic u use is not inherent but u choose to learn it. So anyone can really learn any type of magic. What is inherent is magical power.

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Even if they were really related , that doesn't means erza know how to use Irene magic . Child doesn't inherent same magic power / type whatsoever of their parent . Erza magic is just simply re-equip . And the " power " that she use against neinhart is pof no jutsu . Easy to says bullshit .

You are right about type but wrong about the level of magic. There is no confirmation one way or other. Whatever we know indicates child inherits magical power considering the immense latent magic in Cana, daughter of Gildarts.

 

[reesestl]

What do you mean by that? Everyone in fairy tail is born with a magic power inside their body , and they train and train to gets stronger . The same goes for erza , she did not inherit any kind of power from her parent . She learn re-equip magic . That is her only kind of magic she use .

Even Irene train to gets stronger .even Irene is born with the same amount/level of mana like any other kids .

Its hard to believe what you said without proof or anything to support that .
Show me proof .

When Mavis says Cana has has immense latent power, which may enable her to use Fairy Glitter, it shows 2 things
1. People vary in latent power
2. Latent power may be hereditary.
http://mangapark.me/manga/fairy-tail/s1/v34/c285
see page 21

 

[Takuan]

Let's not forget that Laxus inherited his immense magical power from Makarov (this has been stated multiple times) and has the same type of magic as Yuri. Ivan is just the exception of the family
Romeo also inherited his magic from his father Macao

 

[reesestl]

Sorry but that still doesn't prove anythings... it's all just a theory or assumptions .

its a statement from the manga which doesn't make sense if what you say is true. Now, u may be attached to your pov and want to overlook it, but that doesn't make it theory or assumptions.

 

[Linali]

Let's not forget that Laxus inherited his immense magical power from Makarov (this has been stated multiple times) and has the same type of magic as Yuri. Ivan is just the exception of the family
Romeo also inherited his magic from his father Macao

Ivan gave Laxus Dragon Slayer lacrima. But yeah, he's a black sheep anyway

As for Erza, I like her as character (I've always prefered strong heroines over damsels in distress) but lately I'm more and more disappointed with her fights. I have a feeling, that Hiro tries madly to show us, how strong Erza really is and makes her opponents have some hax abilities, then he lacks idea, how in the world could she defeated them and then "Nakama Power" arrives to the rescue. It was fine once or twice, but everytime? She has hundreds of armors and weapons, a lot of magical power, yet she almost always wins thanks to some ass pull. And this one thing destroys really good character imho. When in FT or any other manga a strong character is about to fight, I'm always hyped, but when Erza is about to fight, then through she's really strong and I love female characters who mastered swordmanship, I totally don't want to see it, because I know, how how will it end

 

[Summer]

its a statement from the manga which doesn't make sense if what you say is true. Now, u may be attached to your pov and want to overlook it, but that doesn't make it theory or assumptions.

Mavis didn't said that cana inherited gildart latent power whatsoever.... so I would just assume it is assumption and theory . She didn't even said anything about gildart .

A latent power , it's like saying someone have a bullshit power.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 24, 2016, Original Post Date: Jun 24, 2016 ---

Let's not forget that Laxus inherited his immense magical power from Makarov (this has been stated multiple times) and has the same type of magic as Yuri. Ivan is just the exception of the family
Romeo also inherited his magic from his father Macao

Laxus did not inherited any immense magical power from makarov , everyone could have immense magical power if they train . And nope laxus is a dragon slayer while yuriy is not and actually laxus have lacrima inside his body just like @Linali said .

And nope again , romea learn his magic power in a magic school , his teacher is the guys that can use rainbow fire .

 

[Takuan]

Ivan gave Laxus Dragon Slayer lacrima. But yeah, he's a black sheep anyway

As for Erza, I like her as character (I've always prefered strong heroines over damsels in distress) but lately I'm more and more disappointed with her fights. I have a feeling, that Hiro tries madly to show us, how strong Erza really is and makes her opponents have some hax abilities, then he lacks idea, how in the world could she defeated them and then "Nakama Power" arrives to the rescue. It was fine once or twice, but everytime? She has hundreds of armors and weapons, a lot of magical power, yet she almost always wins thanks to some ass pull. And this one thing destroys really good character imho. When in FT or any other manga a strong character is about to fight, I'm always hyped, but when Erza is about to fight, then through she's really strong and I love female characters who mastered swordmanship, I totally don't want to see it, because I know, how how will it end

Yeah, lacrima. My bad :P

I agree with you about Erza. She used to be one of my favourite characters. And i never disliked the fact that she had more pof than anybody else. But recently, especially against Kyouka and the Historias, this has been quite disappointing.

Mavis didn't said that cana inherited gildart latent power whatsoever.... so I would just assume it is assumption and theory . She didn't even said anything about gildart .

A latent power , it's like saying someone have a bullshit power.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 24, 2016, Original Post Date: Jun 24, 2016 ---

Laxus did not inherited any immense magical power from makarov , everyone could have immense magical power if they train . And nope laxus is a dragon slayer while yuriy is not and actually laxus have lacrima inside his body just like @Linali said .

And nope again , romea learn his magic power in a magic school , his teacher is the guys that can use rainbow fire .

Mavis actually said that Cana had Gildarts' blood ruining through her veins and that Cana had an immense latent magical power.

http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v34/c285/20.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v34/c285/21.html

I agree with the lacrima thing, as i said above. It was my mistake. I definitely don't think this is a coincidence though. He could have had any element, why would Ivan chose Lightning? Maybe Laxus' potential was friendly towards that particular element because of blood. I dont even know if my sentence makes any sense at all, and the theory itself might be far fecthed i admit. =)

However, Laxus has been said to have inherited Makarov's magical power. This has been said by Freed, Hades and probably some more that i don't recall. I agree that with training anyone can become strong, but before even becoming a beast through training, Laxus was always respected for his huge magical power coming from Makarov, a thing which annoyed him to the point where he wanted to prove he had surpassed grand-father. Therefore, battle of FT, and then when he stated to Jura that he was tired of people bring the blood relation on the table everytime.

http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v15/c125/14.html


EDIT: forgot the last part of your post.
Well Romeo, i might have remembered wrongly. I thought he already had fire magic (from Macao), and started training that to become stronger, with Totomaru (idc about his name, the 4 elements - fire guy from Phantom Lord). If he didn't have that type of magic to begin with, then my bad.


EDIT 2:
But anyway, Lucy is a celestial mage as well as her mother, Ultear knows Ul's ice magic, but we could say that Brandish isn't a celestial mage contrary to her mother and has a gigantic power which probably (we don't know though) doesn't come from Grammi.

There are a lot of examples and counter-examples.
I seem to recall something from the anime, that i could't find in the manga. When we have a flashback of young Cana being shy around Gildarts, and at some point she wants to know when he'll come back. Someone tells her "eh, Card magic would allow you to predict that" Cana says "wtf im not a mage, how could i know Card magic", the person answers "you can learn it, magic comes from the heart, blablabla"

 

[Summer]

Yeah, lacrima. My bad :P

I agree with you about Erza. She used to be one of my favourite characters. And i never disliked the fact that she had more pof than anybody else. But recently, especially against Kyouka and the Historias, this has been quite disappointing.



Mavis actually said that Cana had Gildarts' blood ruining through her veins and that Cana had an immense latent magical power.

http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v34/c285/20.html
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v34/c285/21.html

I agree with the lacrima thing, as i said above. It was my mistake. I definitely don't think this is a coincidence though. He could have had any element, why would Ivan chose Lightning? Maybe Laxus' potential was friendly towards that particular element because of blood. I dont even know if my sentence makes any sense at all, and the theory itself might be far fecthed i admit. =)

However, Laxus has been said to have inherited Makarov's magical power. This has been said by Freed, Hades and probably some more that i don't recall. I agree that with training anyone can become strong, but before even becoming a beast through training, Laxus was always respected for his huge magical power coming from Makarov, a thing which annoyed him to the point where he wanted to prove he had surpassed grand-father. Therefore, battle of FT, and then when he stated to Jura that he was tired of people bring the blood relation on the table everytime.

http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v15/c125/14.html


EDIT: forgot the last part of your post.
Well Romeo, i might have remembered wrongly. I thought he already had fire magic (from Macao), and started training that to become stronger, with Totomaru (idc about his name, the 4 elements - fire guy from Phantom Lord). If he didn't have that type of magic to begin with, then my bad.


EDIT 2:
But anyway, Lucy is a celestial mage as well as her mother, Ultear knows Ul's ice magic, but we could say that Brandish isn't a celestial mage contrary to her mother and has a gigantic power which probably (we don't know though) doesn't come from Grammi.

There are a lot of examples and counter-examples.
I seem to recall something from the anime, that i could't find in the manga. When we have a flashback of young Cana being shy around Gildarts, and at some point she wants to know when he'll come back. Someone tells her "eh, Card magic would allow you to predict that" Cana says "wtf im not a mage, how could i know Card magic", the person answers "you can learn it, magic comes from the heart, blablabla"

I read the whole chapter but I still couldn't see how you could said that cana inherit gildart power .
Its still an assumption and there's not enough prove to said that cana inherit anything from gildart ( except for maybe their look )


What they're trying to said is that Lexus have an immense magical power just like makarov have . That doesn't means laxus inherit that from makarov . He works and train for it .

Just like you said about lucy , Anna is said to be the strongest celestial mage ever alive and said to be ways stronger than Lucy .
Lucy did not inherit anything from Anna , she trains herself to gets where she is right now .

The only thing that ft character inherit from their parent is their face or style whatsoever .

 

[Jko]

So I was looking back through the manga because I thought I saw Erza's Eclipse eyes

Spoiler: Erza's Eclipse Eyes

somewhere before. And I found it!!! It was fudging Zeref who had the Eclipse Eyes !!!

Spoiler: Zeref's Eclipse Eyes

Holy shiz nits !!! I wonder if there is a connection with these eyes . Are they some sort of awakening to a power because Zeref only used those eyes when he when Acno was around !!! Or is it a possibility there's a connection between Zeref and Erza?!!

Now let the fan theories commence

 

[reesestl]

I read the whole chapter but I still couldn't see how you could said that cana inherit gildart power .
Its still an assumption and there's not enough prove to said that cana inherit anything from gildart ( except for maybe their look )


What they're trying to said is that Lexus have an immense magical power just like makarov have . That doesn't means laxus inherit that from makarov . He works and train for it .

Just like you said about lucy , Anna is said to be the strongest celestial mage ever alive and said to be ways stronger than Lucy .
Lucy did not inherit anything from Anna , she trains herself to gets where she is right now .

The only thing that ft character inherit from their parent is their face or style whatsoever .

Can I ask you, in life do you believe hardwork is the only key to success, or talent and intelligence also has a role to play. Ofcourse, hardwork is necessary but smarter have an advantage over the regular Joe. Its just like that. These ideas are influenced from real life concepts. If u think talent in bullshit in real life then ofcourse the disagreement is much deeper and I wouldn't try to convince you.

--- Double Post Merged, Jun 25, 2016, Original Post Date: Jun 25, 2016 ---

Laxus was born week. His father put a lacrima inside him. That's the source of his power. HOwever I vaguely remember that someone comments about Laxus its quality is just like Master's power.
In Fairytail verse any common person can learn magic. Mages are people who learned magic from someone. They are not a different species or something. SO, saying ROmeo inherited Macao power is not correct because Macao at best has average power like any random mage. MAvis and party were commoners before learning magic from Zeref. A dragon can teach its magic to a human kid. Cana chose her card magic because Gildart is always travelling, and she wanted to predict when he will return.
Now ofcourse, though anyone can learn people can vary in latent power depending on genes(!!), so it seems like there is the notion of bloodlines with stronger powers.

 

[Indira]

So I was looking back through the manga because I thought I saw Erza's Eclipse eyes

Spoiler: Erza's Eclipse Eyes

somewhere before. And I found it!!! It was fudging Zeref who had the Eclipse Eyes !!!

Spoiler: Zeref's Eclipse Eyes

Holy shiz nits !!! I wonder if there is a connection with these eyes . Are they some sort of awakening to a power because Zeref only used those eyes when he when Acno was around !!! Or is it a possibility there's a connection between Zeref and Erza?!!

Now let the fan theories commence

The similarity is definitely there. Wouldn't surprise me if Erza will do something against Zeref too lol

On further notice, It looks kinda similar to Gray's eyes against Tempesta, though it's most likely be from DeS

Spoiler

 

[Demon Hunter]

his father put lacrima inside his body because he though that he was "frail" as a child, despite his magical potential.

 

[reesestl]

There is eye magic in Fairy tail. Each member of Laxus' group has eye magic. SO quite possible, that there is more to it than mere art. However,one of Erza's eyes are fake stone eyes. I wonder how stone eyes can awaken Sharingan, lol!

 

[Nemispelled]

By far the most overrated character in Fairy Tail.

I'll be honest, it's a shame for me to say that Erza was one of the characters that got me into Fairy Tail...

Way back then, when I started Fairy Tail, I thought Erza was one of the greatest characters... cool and badass...





But that all quickly changed when I learned her attitude and PoF/Nakama Power Speech.

Somewhere along the line, Erza began to develop a cocky and "I am invincible!" type of persona.

If you go back into the series and look carefully, you can see small signs of that kind of attitude in ToH Arc and Oracion Seis Arc.

But Erza's real personality was completely revealed in Tenrou Arc during the Azuma vs. Erza battle.

That battle was the start of PoF/PiS/Nakama battles for Erza all the way to the current arc.




The thing about Erza is that she never knows when to stand down and let others have the spotlight.

She tries too hard to have control, be relevant in every battle, and have a piece of the cake (lol).




Moving on to Alvarez Arc, this arc was when my respect went way down for her. Almost near rock bottom.

I can see that, despite all her talking about trust and friendships, she really is biased towards a few people.

And those people are: Jellal, Natsu, and Makarov

Those are the 3 people that Erza blindly places her faith in without questioning them when it comes to serious situations.




With everybody else, she would act like the boss of when they start to defy her, Jellal, Natsu, or Makarov.

But then, what's new? Erza will keep having the spotlight until who knows when. She will never get off her "Fairy Queen Throne".

In fact, she is hogging the entire throne for herself more than she ever has in the current arc.

She could probably 1v2 Acnologia and END and still survive because all she needs to do is stare them straight in the eyes and say "Begone, vanish my nightmare."



#NerfErzaScarletPlz2016

 

[sharkai]

By far the most overrated character in Fairy Tail.

I'll be honest, it's a shame for me to say that Erza was one of the characters that got me into Fairy Tail...

Way back then, when I started Fairy Tail, I thought Erza was one of the greatest characters... cool and badass...





But that all quickly changed when I learned her attitude and PoF/Nakama Power Speech.

Somewhere along the line, Erza began to develop a cocky and "I am invincible!" type of persona.

If you go back into the series and look carefully, you can see small signs of that kind of attitude in ToH Arc and Oracion Seis Arc.

But Erza's real personality was completely revealed in Tenrou Arc during the Azuma vs. Erza battle.

That battle was the start of PoF/PiS/Nakama battles for Erza all the way to the current arc.




The thing about Erza is that she never knows when to stand down and let others have the spotlight.

She tries too hard to have control, be relevant in every battle, and have a piece of the cake (lol).




Moving on to Alvarez Arc, this arc was when my respect went way down for her. Almost near rock bottom.

I can see that, despite all her talking about trust and friendships, she really is biased towards a few people.

And those people are: Jellal, Natsu, and Makarov

Those are the 3 people that Erza blindly places her faith in without questioning them when it comes to serious situations.




With everybody else, she would act like the boss of when they start to defy her, Jellal, Natsu, or Makarov.

But then, what's new? Erza will keep having the spotlight until who knows when. She will never get off her "Fairy Queen Throne".

In fact, she is hogging the entire throne for herself more than she ever has in the current arc.

She could probably 1v2 Acnologia and END and still survive because all she needs to do is stare them straight in the eyes and say "Begone, vanish my nightmare."



#NerfErzaScarletPlz2016

Lol
Unfortunately what points you raised against Ezra applies to natsu as well. and apparently to laxus too.
Fairy tail is just like that.
Natsu bs has been going on since fight against erigor
Hell he was ready to risk Wendy's guild so he could fight zero
This is not a series where you will find reasonable characters or story
Just believe Nakama will see you through.
Cheers