Hangout Fairy Tail Hangout Thread

[Doughboy]

Fairy Tail-Dragon cry, 2nd anime movie to premiere on Spring 2017

Source Ann & http://gaga.ne.jp/FT.DC/

already posted in the ft second movie thread

 

[lakhan220]

Fairy Tail-Dragon cry, 2nd anime movie to premiere on Spring 2017

Source Ann & http://gaga.ne.jp/FT.DC/

Oh well ERINA, one of the awesome posts which changed the tense mood of the Hangout thread

Happy New Year to every FT members.

 

[LighteningLord]

Happy New Year everyone!!! I hope that we get to see Acno's history, supercool Laxus fights, and....... NAtsu waking up to see Lucy around him buck naked

 

[Ebony Maw]

Happy New Year guys! I hope it's a good one for all of you.

Hopefully we'll get more stuff revealed so we can theorize more, I'm waiting for Obra, he needs to show up again. I also want to see if the Bradman/Larcade parallels mean anything... so much potential!

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

@Daniel9dsi I see you were wondering why people give Natsu crap for his fights but don't bat an eye when Laxus almost one shots Ajeel and fights on par with Wahl while being sick. Well, here's my 2 cents on it:

To me it feels like the hate Natsu gets doesn't only stem from Natsu's power but how much potential he squanders. He's beaten three whole potential filled Spriggan in terrible ways. Jacob, Neinheart, and Dimaria were either one shot or off paneled. Laxus has only beaten one Spriggan like most other people in this arc (albeit in a shitty way), but Natsu has got 3. Him being main character isn't a good reason why he gets to squander other side characters potential to fight certain Spriggans and I believe that's where the hate stems. This coupled with the fact that he also gets to fight Zeref and Acnologia and the main character wanking becomes incredibly annoying. Laxus gets sidelined so much by Hiro while Natsu gets to fight more villains than necessary.

You also think Red lightning is the stupidest thing in this manga after "She's Erza" which come on, is a stretch. Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy using their power from tommorow against Faust, Erza using the entire guild's power against Azuma, Universe one bringing back Gajeel, Juvia not being dead after Gray checked if she was alive and decided it was too late,and Wendy and Erza blitzing Irene were all equally as dumb as RL.

 

[Boomburst]

To me it feels like the hate Natsu gets doesn't only stem from Natsu's power but how much potential he squanders. He's beaten three whole potential filled Spriggan in terrible ways. Jacob, Neinheart, and Dimaria were either one shot or off paneled. Laxus has only beaten one Spriggan like most other people in this arc (albeit in a shitty way), but Natsu has got 3. Him being main character isn't a good reason why he gets to squander other side characters potential to fight certain Spriggans and I believe that's where the hate stems. This coupled with the fact that he also gets to fight Zeref and Acnologia and the main character wanking becomes incredibly annoying. Laxus gets sidelined so much by Hiro while Natsu gets to fight more villains than necessary.

This I can definitely agree with to an extent. My complaint was more so about the fight making sense logically than it being well written or deserved, because there a lot of people who think it was PoF bullshit, and that's what I mainly took issue with.

There is something I would like to you consider though regarding Natsu getting too many fights this arc. I'll assume that the Jacob fight was Natsu's deserved fight and that Dimaria and Neinhart were the excessive ones. In regards to Dimaria, who else could have beaten her? Wendy and Chelia only managed to pull it off the first time because of Ultear, but if you wanted Natsu to stay out of it the second time who would have gotten that fight? Everyone else (probably) would have been affected by Age Seal, meaning that even if Natsu left her for others to fight, it's doubtful anyone else would get a legit fight against her at all. As for Neinhart, the dude has the durability of a toothpick. Would it really be all that great or impressive if someone else took him out other than Natsu?

My point here is that Natsu didn't really take any good fights away from anyone else, because no one else could fight against Age Seal and beating Neinhart is extremely easy.

You also think Red lightning is the stupidest thing in this manga after "She's Erza" which come on, is a stretch. Natsu, Gajeel, and Wendy using their power from tommorow against Faust, Erza using the entire guild's power against Azuma, Universe one bringing back Gajeel, Juvia not being dead after Gray checked if she was alive and decided it was too late,and Wendy and Erza blitzing Irene were all equally as dumb as RL.

True, I did forget about Erza vs Azuma. That would probably be up there with Erza vs Kyoka as well. But for the others, they may have been dumb but at least they made sense logically. Natsu used Wendy to boost his power to beat Faust (the whole thing was a little PoF of course but I don't think it's as bad). Universe One bringing back Gajeel made sense we didn't get to see what happened to him after he got sucked in the portal, so we have no reason to assume UO saving him was bullshit. Gray might have just assumed Juvia died. Wendy and Erza blitzing Irene was just her not living up to her hype.

All these things were incredibly stupid of course, but I'd much rather have stupidity or bad writing over something that logically and physically should not have been possible. And to me, somehow bypassing a freaking immunity with "lightning that surpasses lightning" is the epitome of physically and logically impossible.

 

[Demon Hunter]

Lucy should have taken down Jacob instead of Natsu tbh.

she is a damsel in distress so she had to be saved in some way, not to mention that awful fanservice

as for RL, that's definitely BS. I mean, there are some nice theories about it like this one

Spoiler

and volume

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and the quote lightning surpasses the lightning is just

but compare that to Dual Modes(why are Dragon Slayers even fighting ), eating God flames and one shotting him after getting fodderized from the beginning, Erza beating Kyouka without senses, using some FT shit to beat Azuma, then RL is as bad or slightly better and its the first BS for Laxus so...

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

This I can definitely agree with to an extent. My complaint was more so about the fight making sense logically than it being well written or deserved, because there a lot of people who think it was PoF bullshit, and that's what I mainly took issue with.

Thx for being so calm bro. But yeah, if we're talking about logic based, Natsu vs Neinheart takes the cake over the unexplained red lightning... I was just explaining why peeps hate on Natsu fights more.

There is something I would like to you consider though regarding Natsu getting too many fights this arc. I'll assume that the Jacob fight was Natsu's deserved fight and that Dimaria and Neinhart were the excessive ones. In regards to Dimaria, who else could have beaten her? Wendy and Chelia only managed to pull it off the first time because of Ultear, but if you wanted Natsu to stay out of it the second time who would have gotten that fight? Everyone else (probably) would have been affected by Age Seal, meaning that even if Natsu left her for others to fight, it's doubtful anyone else would get a legit fight against her at all. As for Neinhart, the dude has the durability of a toothpick. Would it really be all that great or impressive if someone else took him out other than Natsu?

My point here is that Natsu didn't really take any good fights away from anyone else, because no one else could fight against Age Seal and beating Neinhart is extremely easy.

This is what I'm talking about. The "no one except END could beat Dimaria" statement proves my point how the main character wanking becomes apparent. This isn't entirely Natsu's fault cuz it was Hiro who created a character that couldn't lose to anything except deus ex machina or random power up from main but it's still main character wanking. We also don't know if beating Neinheart is really extremely easy for anyone. It could be Hiro just wanting to make Natsu super duper strong as usual. If someone not as stupidly OP as Natsu fought Neinheart then anything could have happened. However enhanced Neinheart's potential was ruined. Off paneled fights are almost never a good thing and Dimaria was just used as END's hype tool. These events paint Natsu as an unstoppable one dimensional main character that will either one shot his opponents or off panel them.

I don't hate Natsu's character, but his fights this arc have been atrocious to say the least and I can see why many people hate them more than Laxus vs Wahl.

True, I did forget about Erza vs Azuma. That would probably be up there with Erza vs Kyoka as well. But for the others, they may have been dumb but at least they made sense logically. Natsu used Wendy to boost his power to beat Faust (the whole thing was a little PoF of course but I don't think it's as bad). Universe One bringing back Gajeel made sense we didn't get to see what happened to him after he got sucked in the portal, so we have no reason to assume UO saving him was bullshit. Gray might have just assumed Juvia died. Wendy and Erza blitzing Irene was just her not living up to her hype.

Wendy and Natsu shouldn't have had any power left (they even said so), but because they used their power from tommorow they came out on top. How does that come close to being logical? Gajeel died a good while before Universe one was activated. He shouldn't have been brought back when he wasn't supposed to be apart of the living anymore. Acnologia himself acknowledged that Gajeel had left the living world yet somehow he was brought back? Gray not checking a pulse or checking if she was breathing sounds so unlike Gray that it can't not be called bs. Wendy and Erza while being heavily battle damaged and worn out aren't supposed to be able to blitz someone who was able to skip out of Acnologia's instant eruption like it was nothing. On top of that despite creating a meteor that pushed Acno back, Irene got out enchanted by an inexperienced 12 year old.

) All these things were incredibly stupid of course, but I'd much rather have stupidity or bad writing over something that logically and physically should not have been possible. And to me, somehow bypassing a freaking immunity with "lightning that surpasses lightning" is the epitome of physically and logically impossible.

Funny you mention physically and logically possible in a manga like FT. I mean dude, think about it. Natsu has dodged lightning before. Bluenote created a black hole that only absorbed a few pebbles. Zancrow was defeated by his own fire combined with a fire that already had no affect on him. Natsu used his fire as a grappling hook vs Erigor. While on fire Lucy defeated Kain and suffered no burn marks afterwards. An explosion large enough to destroy a town only gave Happy a haircut. Despite Natsu's flames melting all the rocks and everyone's clothes back when he returned and challenged people at the GMG, no one except the people he attacked was physically burned at all. Laxus's Lightning changing properties, while being bullshit, is not the first time in this manga where certain things that happen are logically and physically impossible.

 

[Raven]

Talking crap about Natsu's fight while Laxus fights are more BS. Laxus beating Wall with disadvantage and tumor nothing beat that shit then you saw that Red lighting asspull from no where. 2nd time when he was extremely wounded he digged hades to the ground. One shottable material.

Gray defeating Invel with bare hands is equivalent to Natsu one shotting enhanced Neinhart. If you're talking about ruining potenials and some shit take a look at every fight in this arc not just Natsu's.


Mashima gave everyone the same treatment like Natsu but Wendy, Erza and Lucy.

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Add that he used Freed's magic from no where as well.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

^I would advise you to read my posts throughly darling. I already mentioned multiple times that RL was a completely bs moment and that while Natsu vs Neinheart was my option for the worst fight, it did make more sense than RL. Hades was heavily nerfed due to him being a historia. He didn't have his devil's heart and only had half his strength.

In my honest opinion, while probably Gray's worst fight, Gray vs Invel wasn't that bad imo. This fight actually had choreography and we saw how badass Invel was up until he lost. Neinheart summoned some winds, Natsu talked about his nakama, and then the fight was over. Wasted. Potential. If you think Gray vs Invel was worse then that's your opinion that I have no right of changing, but I do have the right to defend it.

Also, why is Laxus using Freed's magic bs? He has known Freed for God knows how long. If anything, Natsu's FDK mode is out of nowhere and still yet to be explained.

 

[Brandish μ]

Summoning a Jutsu Shiki mid battle was BS to me since it was stated before to need a bit of prep. But if they just got better with their magic then maybe they can do it.

Red Lightning sucked because of no explanation other than a BS statement like Lightning that is above Lightning. But other than that, Laxus learned a spell, that's all.

 

[Raven]

Natsu vs Neinhart is nothing compared to the scurb yard Laxus vs Wall and Gray vs Invel or Gray vs END, ( Standing to uncompleted END is too much for Gray, He should get Serena treatment but because he is from Ft and from team Natsu he didn't get that )

BDKM is the fruit of Natsu's training after 10 months. Igneel is the fire king drake it make sense why Natsu can use fire dragon king arsenals. Not rocket science.

By using your logic Natsu and Gray should use each other magic because you know they're friends since their childhood.

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

@Brandish yeah Laxus drawing the Justu shining mid battle was bizarre and questionable.

Natsu vs Neinhart is nothing compared to the scurb yard Laxus vs Wall and Gray vs Invel or Gray vs END, ( Standing to uncompleted END is too much for Gray, He should get Serena treatment but because he is from Ft and from team Natsu he didn't get that )

That's your opinion that I respectfully disagree with.

BDKM is the fruit of Natsu's training after 10 months. Igneel is the fire king drake it make sense why Natsu can use fire dragon king arsenals. Not rocket science.

No, the tattoo on Natsu's arm that he used vs Zeref was the fruit of Natsu's training. That was stated from Natsu himself. We have no backstory on when Natsu used first used FDKM and how he attained it.

By using your logic Natsu and Gray should use each other magic because you know they're friends since their childhood.

Umm, no. Natsu and Gray are rivals. Them sharing each other's magic wouldn't work because they work to be better than the other. You can't compare that to the relationship of Freed and Laxus. Freed is Laxus's body guard, not his rival. Freed sharing his magic with Laxus, the guy he wants to protect makes sense unlike two rivals giving each other more power. You're gasping at straws here.

 

[Raven]

Nah it's not an opinion it's a fact.

He developed a new mode in this time. His mastery got updated to dragon kings attack he even use them in base. Anyways still better than Laxus's RL at least Natsu's mode make sense.

Gasping at straws xaxaxa, Said the one who said Laxus used freed's magic because they're friends The defending mechanisms is sure funny . Aside from the wrong reasoning you used for the previous example Natsu and Lucy should learn each other because you know they have the best relation by using your ZOmg logic.

 

[Demon Hunter]

hm updated to Dragon King spells


its funny because Igneel never had any update to Dragon King spells despite the fact that he was a Fire Dragon King

Natsu > Igneel confirmed

 

[Raven]

pre time skip Natsu was using normal fire attacks.

after time skip he use fire dragon king attacks first time against the war god.

he went a year for training = getting stronger and learning new tricks

Getting strong = power increased.

Power increased = More mp and magical dmg.
....

EOS Natsu will be > Acnologia and Igneel. Worry not~

 

[~Charging Lightning~]

Things got a bit petty and ridiculous for a sec, but let's make the FT hangout thread great again (I hate myself for using this meme). Here's my top 5 funniest MH members of 2016:

1. Doughboy
2. Vici
3. Tie between Emperor Spriggan and Jean Grey
4. Stormsfury
5. Tie between Belserion and Crimson Ice

Probably forgetting a few people that had posts that really made me laugh, but these were the ones that popped in my head right away.

 

[Demon Hunter]

@~Charging Lightning~ nice idea as always

Top 5 funniest members:
1. sharkai
2. my boy @Laxus chan-yo
3. my boy @Stormsfury
4. my boy @BluePegasus
5. our emperor @Emperor Spriggan and my boy @~Charging Lightning~

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@Vici would be here but she is not here lately

 

[M3J]

do you think Aizen will choose Chara?

Natsu's fights this arc has been utter shit. Dunno why people claim he one-shot Jacob or even won when it was Makarov who played a huge part by throwing both out of the building.

 

[Boomburst]

Thx for being so calm bro. But yeah, if we're talking about logic based, Natsu vs Neinheart takes the cake over the unexplained red lightning... I was just explaining why peeps hate on Natsu fights more.

Yea, I totally understand. I tend hate things that logically don't make sense more than things that are poorly written or unnecessary, but that's just my personal preference.

This is what I'm talking about. The "no one except END could beat Dimaria" statement proves my point how the main character wanking becomes apparent. This isn't entirely Natsu's fault cuz it was Hiro who created a character that couldn't lose to anything except deus ex machina or random power up from main but it's still main character wanking. We also don't know if beating Neinheart is really extremely easy for anyone. It could be Hiro just wanting to make Natsu super duper strong as usual. If someone not as stupidly OP as Natsu fought Neinheart then anything could have happened. However enhanced Neinheart's potential was ruined. Off paneled fights are almost never a good thing and Dimaria was just used as END's hype tool. These events paint Natsu as an unstoppable one dimensional main character that will either one shot his opponents or off panel them.

I don't hate Natsu's character, but his fights this arc have been atrocious to say the least and I can see why many people hate them more than Laxus vs Wahl.

Yea I definitely see your point. As unfortunate as it may be, Natsu wank this arc was going to be inevitable from the moment he was revealed to be END. Personally I think that while Natsu wank isn't a great thing, Hiro's choices of Spriggans to hype him with were probably the best. Had it been something along the lines of Natsu just flat out oneshotting Ajeel or Wahl in an actual fight or something like that, then I would consider it completely ridiculous. But at least the fights Hiro gave him weren't too absurd.

Wendy and Natsu shouldn't have had any power left (they even said so), but because they used their power from tommorow they came out on top. How does that come close to being logical?

To be completely honest, I tend to just forget about the Edolas arc entirely when I think about the series. Nothing really happened and it was probably as close to a filler arc as a canon arc could get. So I guess I just tend not to take anything that happened during that arc too seriously In such an important arc like this, however, events hold much more weight and as a result I consider them to be much more important.

Gajeel died a good while before Universe one was activated. He shouldn't have been brought back when he wasn't supposed to be apart of the living anymore. Acnologia himself acknowledged that Gajeel had left the living world yet somehow he was brought back?

Well the way I interpreted it was that Bradman was using some kind of last ditch spell to kill Gajeel. By the time UO activated Gajeel was physically "gone", but the spell hadn't completely finished and hence the shifting of the geography disrupted it and brought Gajeel back. Not exactly a perfect explanation, I know, but I don't think it's completely gone beyond the realm of possibility.

Gray not checking a pulse or checking if she was breathing sounds so unlike Gray that it can't not be called bs.

Either Gray was too distraught or distracted to think straight, or Juvia really had stopped breathing and Wendy got there just in time to revive her.

Wendy and Erza while being heavily battle damaged and worn out aren't supposed to be able to blitz someone who was able to skip out of Acnologia's instant eruption like it was nothing. On top of that despite creating a meteor that pushed Acno back, Irene got out enchanted by an inexperienced 12 year old.

Well to be honest, I'm think I'm going to reserve judgement on this until Irene is defeated. I mean, for all we know Irene was just messing around and she might kick ass during the next few chapters.

Funny you mention physically and logically possible in a manga like FT. I mean dude, think about it. Natsu has dodged lightning before. Bluenote created a black hole that only absorbed a few pebbles. Zancrow was defeated by his own fire combined with a fire that already had no affect on him. Natsu used his fire as a grappling hook vs Erigor. While on fire Lucy defeated Kain and suffered no burn marks afterwards. An explosion large enough to destroy a town only gave Happy a haircut. Despite Natsu's flames melting all the rocks and everyone's clothes back when he returned and challenged people at the GMG, no one except the people he attacked was physically burned at all. Laxus's Lightning changing properties, while being bullshit, is not the first time in this manga where certain things that happen are logically and physically impossible.

When I say logically and physically possible, I'm talking about possible in the context of the FT universe, not in the context of real life. Characters in this universe are indeed fast enough to dodge lightning. Bluenote's spell was called Black Hole but obviously it wasn't identical to an actual black hole you'd find in space. It's been established that the combination or fusion of different magics can result in power immensely stronger than the magics separately. Fire Magic taking a physical tangible form is also something that was established to be possible. Natsu set Mr. Cursey on fire and since Mr. Cursey is magic and wasn't affected by the fire, neither was Lucy. Happy throughout the series has proven to have god-tier durability XD. The clothes melted but the people weren't harmed because people in FT have endurance and durability far higher than we do, otherwise you might as well ask why Laxus can't just go around killing anyone he wants by electrocuting them.