Discussion Haki Thread

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[Hannibal Psyche]

It doesn't draw more haki than intended? It only activates haki on its own? I don't see Zoro's arm shrunking every time his haki is "activated", willingly or otherwise.

You do know when a sentence has "AND" in it, it's talking about at least 2 features?

You missed the part where it says cuts more than needed.

It doesn't say it just activates Haki, it says AND cuts more than intended.

It absorbs physical energy.

Haki doesn't drain energy.

Zoro was out of breath and missed his attack against Kaido because Enma cuts more than needed because it uses more physical energy.

Arm shrinking has nothing to do with Haki.

Even using all of one's Haki wouldn't shrink one's arm.

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In fact, just explain your interpretation of the arm thing, go ahead, it really feels like you're willingly disregarding parts of the explanation of what Enma does. Yes, what happened to Zoro's arm was a visual part of the explanation.

Irony.

When you disregard the fact it consumes physical energy. Not once that we've seen Zoro out of breath because it cuts more than intended.

Even when he cut Kaido, he was breathing heavily because Enma cuts more than intended. He's not Huffing for no reason.

In fact, the idea Enma is using FLOW is debunked. Zoro uses a powerful attack and it doesn't even cut Kaido. Onigiri is one of Zoro's powerful attacks.

Kinemon stabs Kaido at will.

FLOW means less effort is needed... Zoro can't cut Kaido without using a lot of effort whereas Kinemon can. Kinemon and scabbards stab Kaido at will.

Enma certainly doesn't use FLOW.

 

[Nie Li]

You do know when a sentence has "AND" in it, it's talking about at least 2 features?

You missed the part where it says cuts more than needed.

It doesn't say it just activates Haki, it says AND cuts more than intended.

It absorbs physical energy.

Haki doesn't drain energy.

Zoro was out of breath and missed his attack against Kaido because Enma cuts more than needed because it uses more physical energy.

Arm shrinking has nothing to do with Haki.

Even using all of one's Haki wouldn't shrink one's arm.

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Irony.

When you disregard the fact it consumes physical energy. Not once that we've seen Zoro out of breath because it cuts more than intended.

Even when he cut Kaido, he was breathing heavily because Enma cuts more than intended. He's not Huffing for no reason.

In fact, the idea Enma is using FLOW is debunked. Zoro uses a powerful attack and it doesn't even cut Kaido. Onigiri is one of Zoro's powerful attacks.

Kinemon stabs Kaido at will.

FLOW means less effort is needed... Zoro can't cut Kaido without using a lot of effort whereas Kinemon can. Kinemon and scabbards stab Kaido at will.

Enma certainly doesn't use FLOW.

"Physical energy" wouldn't eat the muscles away either, since you made fun of haki shrinking his arm I thought you'd have a better explanation but I expected too much. It has never been hinted at that Enma "eats physical energy" (what does that even mean? It's not even a concept in One Piece. It makes Zoro put more basic physical strength into the slashes? So why would Enma swell with haki? How would just Zoro's physical strength be enough to scar Kaido?).

Everything about Enma is linked to haki, nothing else. Zoro huffes from haki exhaustion. You think that because there's an "and" both sentences are not linked? "And" here indicates one sentence is the consequence of the other. Yes, "and" works like that too in English and it's pretty obvious in this context.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

"Physical energy" wouldn't eat the muscles away either, since you made fun of haki shrinking his arm I thought you'd have a better explanation but I expected too much.

It's an exaggeration on how Enma consumes physical energy and how physically demanding it is to use.

Haki doesn't cause shrinking, we know that's completely false.

Haki is a spiritual power. It has no effect on physical appearance.

Your explanations are not at all consistent with the series.

It has never been hinted at that Enma "eats physical energy" (what does that even mean?

Wrong. Stamina gets drained using the Sword.

Maybe you're not aware, Huff = Stamina expenditure.

It's not even a concept in One Piece. It makes Zoro put more basic physical strength into the slashes? So why would Enma swell with haki? How would just Zoro's physical strength be enough to scar Kaido?).

Maybe if you try looking at things holistically, lol.

Every translation literally says the same thing.

It modifies Haki.

He calls the Haki from the Enma strange. Where is Luffy's FLOW called strange? Not once.

He realises he's only hurt because of the Sword's ability to change Haki and make it strange and powerful.

Everything about Enma is linked to haki, nothing else. Zoro huffes from haki exhaustion.

Wrong.

Haki doesn't cause exhaustion,

Physical energy is what causes exhaustion, lol.

Haki affecting stamina never existed.

Haki is a spiritual power, not physical, lol.

"And" here indicates one sentence is the consequence of the other. Yes, "and" works like that too in English and it's pretty obvious in this context.

Nope, incorrect.

AND is simply joining listing multiple attributes to a subject, not saying they're consequences of the other.

BECAUSE is what does what you said.

Zoro doesn't cut more than needed because of Haki, he cuts more than needed because the Sword forces him to do so, lol.

Activating Haki and Cutting more are 2 independent powers that Enma has.

You've confused AND for BECAUSE, lol.

BECAUSE attributes a cause to the reason previously mentioned.

AND simply lists attributes independently.

I can say he can x person can sprint 100m in 11 seconds and recite 100 poems by heart... doesn't mean he can recite 100 poems by heart because he runs 100m in 11 seconds. You've confused both AND and BECAUSE like i said.

BECAUSE infers a result as consequent to the reason mentioned... AND doesn't give reason, it states and lists attributes and qualities independently.

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In fact, the idea Enma is using FLOW is debunked. Zoro uses a powerful attack and it doesn't even cut Kaido. Onigiri is one of Zoro's powerful attacks.

It's interesting you don't mention anything about Enma using FLOW which you seem to have made up.

How is it Zoro can use all this effort from Onigiri and not even cut Kaido, but Kinemon who is at death's door can just by casually sinking his Sword into Kaido? @Elessar

 

[Moss Green]

@Hannibal Psyche do you know what cause and effect are?

Cause - Enma exudes more of the users Haki on its own
Effect - the user slices more than needed

Zoro meant to cut a tree in the panel before this and his slash was strong enough to cut the coast.

Where in the explanation here do you see the words “physical energy”. Are you talking about the concept of force? Because yes more “force” is generated because of Haki, that is the entire concept of Haki. I’m hoping this is just a case of English not being your first language because otherwise this willful disregard of what’s actually in the pages is hard to stomach given how vigorously you argue the imagined follies of your imagination. Wound and scar are synonyms? Insane

 

[Nie Li]

It's interesting you don't mention anything about Enma using FLOW which you seem to have made up.

How is it Zoro can use all this effort from Onigiri and not even cut Kaido, but Kinemon who is at death's door can just by casually sinking his Sword into Kaido? @Elessar

That is not interesting. The only reason why you find the onigiri not hurting Kaido inconsistent with the story is because you haven't read carefully how I've explained time and time again how Enma works.

And you're once again making the logical fallacy of "Since X is not equal to Y, X is entirely unrelated to Y", which we've already extensively talked about in the past.

Haki expenditure not being equal to stamina doesn't mean haki expenditure doesn't affect stamina, especially if an extra effort is made to keep haki from being stolen by your blade and dying.

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I'll be nice and answer but I'll just quote myself to see if you're able to get why your question doesn't make sense against the points I brought:

Flow is the simplest concept. Flow is to make haki flow from the body and focus it on a single point. In other words, "Advanced CoA" is literally only focusing a bigger quantity than usual into a single bodypart. There's nothing more to it. More haki than usual focused = Advanced CoA. Luffy simply had to train to focus it like that, a need of training that Enma erases.

There. It's not hard to understand. What we're calling "flow" is just learning to consciously move haki all into a single place through the body, which means "more haki" and it's what allows it to expand outside the body while making it much stronger.

There's nothing else to it.

Enma is not a "magical tool that turns normal haki into flow" as you seem to suggest I ever said, because as I had already explained, "flow" is not "another kind of haki". Enma simply forcefully gathers more haki from the user. The amount of haki Enma gathered wasn't enough in the onigiri to create the effects of flow that Kinemon can apparently do casually, which is why the onigiri was immediately followed by Zoro's comment: "I've got to unleash this Enma more", meaning he should let Enma take more of his haki for his next attacks, as Enma is very hard to tame (regulate). Following that moment Zoro started letting Enma steal more of his haki. He regulated it poorly again in his next attack, the one he missed, but in this occasion he let Enma take too much of his haki in one go, which resulted in both a hard to control slash and unnecessary exhaustion. It stands to reason that holding back something that's stealing your haki and stopping it from outright killing you gets harder if the amount flowing at once is bigger (it's like the difference between a barely opened faucet dripping and one entirely opened). After failing to properly use Enma twice, he performed an splendid Tatsumaki with the proper amount of haki: it focused enough haki to be considered a "flow" technique without it exhausting Zoro like his previous slash; because this time he didn't use too much.

And finally the Ashura technique. Did Zoro use CoC? Did he not? We do not know, but we've been told Enma gathers haki from the user. Haki: not especifically CoA only. If CoC can be used to imbue like CoA then you can't be sure Enma wouldn't do to it the same thing it does to CoA. If Zoro awakened CoC for the first time in the extreme situation of launching an all-out attack against Kaido, the strongest pirate alive, with his life on the line, he wouldn't need to know flow to weaponize said CoC: Enma would "flow" it for him like it did previously during the fight.

Not to mention "flow", for all we know, may not even be required to imbue CoC just like it's not requiered to use CoA. The important part is that Enma has the possibility of making him use it without he himself understanding what he did, which seemed to be the case to me in the chapter.


You are going to disagree with all of this because there's an "and" in some panel and for some reason it's unconceivable to you that "and" is often used to indicate consequence, especially in the middle of an explanation such as that one, just like when Hyogoro explained flow. So go ahead, disagree, but unless you can disprove my points or actually prove that "physical energy" thing that has never even been addressed in the manga, I'd appreciate the argument doesn't keep going for longer.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

The only reason why you find the onigiri not hurting Kaido inconsistent with the story is because you haven't read carefully how I've explained time and time again how Enma works.

You don't understand how Enma works, lol.

It doesn't use Flow.

If Enma was using Flow, every attack by Zoro would pierce Kaido's flesh like the scabbards, so you're actually poorly informed.

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Haki expenditure not being equal to stamina doesn't mean haki expenditure doesn't affect stamina, especially if an extra effort is made to keep haki from being stolen by your blade and dying.

It has no effect on stamina.

Only physical exertion affects stamina which is why Kid didn't understand why Luffy deflated.

Haki has no effect on stamina bud.

Even Oda said so in an SBS, lol.

I'll be nice and answer but I'll just quote myself to see if you're able to get why your question doesn't make sense against the points I brought:

Again, you're still wrong.

Enma doesn't use FLOW otherwise, all of Zoro's attacks would sink into Kaido effortlessly.

Enma simply allows attacks to be stronger by physical exertion.

There's no where Enma is ever compared to flow, you're making things up, lol.

 

[Nie Li]

You don't understand how Enma works, lol.

It doesn't use Flow.

If Enma was using Flow, every attack by Zoro would pierce Kaido's flesh like the scabbards, so you're actually poorly informed.

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It has no effect on stamina.

Only physical exertion affects stamina which is why Kid didn't understand why Luffy deflated.

Haki has no effect on stamina bud.

Even Oda said so in an SBS, lol.



Again, you're still wrong.

Enma doesn't use FLOW otherwise, all of Zoro's attacks would sink into Kaido effortlessly.

Enma simply allows attacks to be stronger by physical exertion.

There's no where Enma is ever compared to flow, you're making things up, lol.

Why are you quoting every little line instead of reading what I wrote and actually answering to the points? This whole post you just made is pretty much just spam.

I explained very clearly what flow is and why it uses flow.

Yes, you already pasted that SBS and I already explained why you're interpreting very poorly Oda's words in said SBS.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Enma simply forcefully gathers more haki from the user.

False, the Manga never states that, you're making things up, lol.

It exudes/activates Haki.

Activating something is not gathering more of something, it's simply turning it on.

Exude just means Show.

Enma simply activates Haki and swings harder than necessary, not that it gathers more Haki, that's actually a fallacy, a false claim you can't back up, lol.

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I explained very clearly what flow is and why it uses flow.

Again, you're wrong.

Your explanation of FLOW is wrong and Enma doesn't use flow, you're literally making up false claims lol.

Flow is simply the ability to manipulate Haki and move Haki.

Enma doesn't use Flow.

When the scabbards cut him, Kaido didn't say their weapons were weird.

When Luffy used FLOW, Kaido didn't say his Haki was weird.

When Zoro uses Enma, it's stated to be weird. Enma and Flow don't function the same way buddy.

Enma works in ways that's not consistent with any FLOW user. The claims made towards Zoro were never made about Luffy or Scabbards.

 

[Nie Li]

Your explanation of FLOW is wrong and Enma doesn't use flow, you're literally making up false claims lol.

Flow is simply the ability to manipulate Haki and move Haki.

Enma doesn't use Flow.

When the scabbards cut him, Kaido didn't say their weapons were weird.

When Luffy used FLOW, Kaido didn't say his Haki was weird.

When Zoro uses Enma, it's stated to be weird. Enma and Flow don't function the same way buddy.

My explanation of flow is the literal explanation that was given in the manga without having to fill anything extra in. xD

Just stop with the small spam. Your whole point is based around Kaido finding the haki Enma gathers weird, which none of us knows the reason of, and in no way discredits what I've already explained to you twice, which is the natural explanation straight from what we have been told in the manga.

Kaido thinks that haki is weird? Well, it's already plenty weird for a sword to forcefully draw more haki than intended from it's wielder, the same unnatural nature of the sword could simply make the haki come out with a weird feeling/aura for all we know. Creating a whole theory around that concept is exactly that: nothing but a theory that goes against what we do know.

 

[Nie Li]

You're a moderator.

It's only spam because I choose to pick out points you don't want being picked? Not sure that's exactly how spam is defined.



Nope.

Can't draw more haki than a user has. Haki is limited.

Enma doesn't do that.

It simply activates the user's Haki.

Like I said, you're making things up.

You are going to disagree with all of this because there's an "and" in some panel and for some reason it's unconceivable to you that "and" is often used to indicate consequence, especially in the middle of an explanation such as that one, just like when Hyogoro explained flow. So go ahead, disagree, but unless you can disprove my points or actually prove that "physical energy" thing that has never even been addressed in the manga, I'd appreciate the argument doesn't keep going for longer.

You're the one making things up. What you're doing is spamming one-liner posts repeating the same sentences over and over again without bothering to even understand what's being explained to you or even address any point, instead choosing to "poke fun" at things that are already well explained in the post, which you'd know if you actually read it.

Yes, that is spam.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

There. It's not hard to understand. What we're calling "flow" is just learning to consciously move haki all into a single place through the body, which means "more haki" and it's what allows it to expand outside the body while making it much stronger.

Where is it stated Enma uses Flow? What panel is this? Where's the evidence?

Since when is Activating Haki the same thing as using Flow?

Let's discuss this particular point.

 

[Nie Li]

Where is it stated Enma uses Flow? What panel is this? Where's the evidence?

Since when is Activating Haki the same thing as using Flow?

Let's discuss this particular point.

Alright, no problem, but if you're going to debate, read, and see the examples and why I post them, beforehand.

The evidence that Enma uses flow is on the same scene you keep posting but somehow keep reading in the wrong way because there's an "and".

Now, I already explained what flow is multiple times: flow is not a different kind of haki that Enma turns normal haki into; the "flow haki" that's capable of hurting Kaido is just haki strenghtening from large quantities of haki converging on the blade of the weapon (or on Luffy's fists), which also allows for invisible armor, as explained by Hyogoro way back. When enough haki flows from where its not needed to where its needed, haki becomes thick enough to allow for a dramatic damage output increase.

Enma doesn't just "activate" haki, we were shown and told Enma takes more than intended to create cuts much bigger than intended. That's Enma's only unique characteristic as explained by the man who knows more about the sword in the world. He talked about haki, not about "physical energy" being a thing that can be extracted.

Perhaps reading different translations will help you understand it better.

Spoiler: Examples

And in every translation, you can see Zoro reclaiming back his haki, which had been very excessively been drawn by the sword. You can even see how it became a black blade while Zoro's arm was a husk and how Zoro getting the haki back into his body made the sword instantly become normal again.

Spoiler

Now, "flow" isn't just moving haki, Luffy didn't manage to actually pull off "flow attacks" on the first try. You have to focus a proper amount on the fist/sword for it to increase the attack power as dramatically as to injure Kaido, which is why Enma stealing just a bit of Zoro's haki isn't enough for that, even if there's haki flow involved. He had to let Enma take more haki in each attack for his haki slashes to be as strong as what Kinemon can do casually. Which indeed means Kinemon has much greater control over his own haki than Zoro does over Enma.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

The evidence that Enma uses flow is on the same scene you keep posting but somehow keep reading in the wrong way because there's an "and".

Now, I already explained what flow is multiple times: flow is not a different kind of haki that Enma turns normal haki into; the "flow haki" that's capable of hurting Kaido is just haki strenghtening from large quantities of haki converging on the blade of the weapon (or on Luffy's fists), which also allows for invisible armor, as explained by Hyogoro way back. When enough haki flows from where its not needed to where its needed, haki becomes thick enough to allow for a dramatic damage output increase.

Enma doesn't just "activate" haki, we were shown and told Enma takes more than intended to create cuts much bigger than intended. That's Enma's only unique characteristic as explained by the man who knows more about the sword in the world. He talked about haki, not about "physical energy" being a thing that can be extracted.

Perhaps reading different translations will help you understand it better.

Okay, I see why you think this. You posted this panel.

Spoiler

If this panel was accurate, you'd be right, however, there's a contradiction.

The translation says something the Viz and Mangastream translation don't say.

Viz says only exudes; Mangastream says it draws out of its own accord; both simply say it activates Haki. Not that it excessively releases Haki.

There's a huge difference between exhibit Haki and exhibit excessive Haki.

2/3 Translations simply imply it activates/exhibits Haki and whichever translation that is in the spoiler is saying something more than exhibition.

Have to determine whether that translation is accurate... 2 translations saying the exact same thing would suggest that translation is incorrect.

This panel you posted here in comparison are not saying the same thing.

Spoiler

The difference between both statements is like the difference between "I work daily" and "I work very hard daily".

Now, "flow" isn't just moving haki, Luffy didn't manage to actually pull off "flow attacks" on the first try. You have to focus a proper amount on the fist/sword for it to increase the attack power as dramatically as to injure Kaido

So, you're saying Flow requires a certain amount before it can hurt, and requires time?

 

[kkck]

FFS, just agree to disagree already.

 

[Moss Green]

Okay, I see why you think this. You posted this panel.

Spoiler

If this panel was accurate, you'd be right, however, there's a contradiction.

The translation says something the Viz and Mangastream translation don't say.

Viz says only exudes; Mangastream says it draws out of its own accord; both simply say it activates Haki. Not that it excessively releases Haki.

There's a huge difference between exhibit Haki and exhibit excessive Haki.

2/3 Translations simply imply it activates/exhibits Haki and whichever translation that is in the spoiler is saying something more than exhibition.

Have to determine whether that translation is accurate... 2 translations saying the exact same thing would suggest that translation is incorrect.

This panel you posted here in comparison are not saying the same thing.

Spoiler

The difference between both statements is like the difference between "I work daily" and "I work very hard daily".



So, you're saying Flow requires a certain amount before it can hurt, and requires time?

You’re so close. First of all exude doesn’t mean activate, it never means that. In this context it means to release or discharge as the translations state


Next, and more importantly you’re ignoring the HOW. How does Haki from Zoro’s upper arm and how WOULD Haki from the rest of his body flow into the sword so much that he would shrivel up and die? Torpedoing your Haki doesn’t effect stamina argument btw but not the point

If Haki is a suit of armor around the body part you are activating how can Enma take Haki presumably from your feet and use it in attacks? How does Luffy take Haki, presumably, from his feet or anywhere else it’s not being used on his body and use it in a punch? There’s only 1 answer to that question

 

[kkck]

Gotta say, to me hyoguro's explanation regarding how haki projection works always felt off. Specifically because of the part concerning how you take haki from the rest of your body onto a specific point. Wouldn't that mean that when projecting haki the rest of your body is defenseless? The strongest form of projection so far is the version where you deal internal damage but luffy pummeled kaido with it and through the duration of his attack he remained clad in hardened haki. Which shouldn't be possible if he was moving his haki from his body to his fists to project it. Maybe hyoguro's explanation is more about swordsmen specifically and doesn't apply to brawlers? I could see swordsmen generally just applying haki to their swords and not the rest of their body while fighting in order to maximize their sword's offense and defense (though even then you'd think a layer of haki covering the body is a healthy option).

 

[Moss Green]

Gotta say, to me hyoguro's explanation regarding how haki projection works always felt off. Specifically because of the part concerning how you take haki from the rest of your body onto a specific point. Wouldn't that mean that when projecting haki the rest of your body is defenseless? The strongest form of projection so far is the version where you deal internal damage but luffy pummeled kaido with it and through the duration of his attack he remained clad in hardened haki. Which shouldn't be possible if he was moving his haki from his body to his fists to project it. Maybe hyoguro's explanation is more about swordsmen specifically and doesn't apply to brawlers? I could see swordsmen generally just applying haki to their swords and not the rest of their body while fighting in order to maximize their sword's offense and defense (though even then you'd think a layer of haki covering the body is a healthy option).

He both showed and explained it to Luffy in a context completely devoid of swords. I think what you’re looking for is a visual representation of the movement of Haki, like Gyou in HxH. Just because we don’t see that visually doesn’t mean that isn’t how it works.

The reason why you don’t see people maintaining layers of Haki around their bodies for extended periods of time is because it’s clearly very taxing and drains your Haki quicker. Luffy can’t maintain Gear 4 for long periods because he’s in a constant state of armament. Whereas blocking with a body part other than a sword is simply using it there

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

FFS, just agree to disagree already.

You can block me at least if you're not interested.

the "flow haki" that's capable of hurting Kaido is just haki strenghtening from large quantities of haki converging on the blade of the weapon (or on Luffy's fists)

I wouldn't entirely agree here since Hyogoro never mentioned anything about quantity. All Hyogoro said was let it flow and don't stress.

Spoiler

Not sure which translation you're reading, but maybe it's different to the Viz and Mangastream.

Also, Hyogoro only states letting the Haki flow. Not about letting a certain amount to build up or having a time requirement.

What the impression Hyo gives here is once Haki flows, it will automatically become powerful and would automatically be able to be used to project Haki in defensive attacks and not project to use it for offensive purposes.

I don't see anything about quantity here, but again, not sure which translation you're reading as it has at least from what has seen, differed from the Viz and Manga which state the same thing.

which also allows for invisible armor, as explained by Hyogoro way back. When enough haki flows from where its not needed to where its needed, haki becomes thick enough to allow for a dramatic damage output increase.

Not sure I've seen anything about "enough". I've not heard any situation where Luffy said "I'm not using enough Haki". Looks more like Flow simply unlocks another level of power in Armament Haki.

More so, Luffy said Armament with Advanced Flow didn't go deep enough against Kaido.

Spoiler

We know for a fact that Luffy still had Haki at this point. He said his attacks were too shallow. Are you suggesting that Luffy could have gone deeper into Kaido with Advanced Flow and Armament since we know he still had Haki to use at his disposal? If so, why didn't he just do that when we know he still has Haki. Hypothetically, according to your explanation, he just has to concentrate more Haki to become thick enough to go deeper into Kaido, right?

Now, "flow" isn't just moving haki, Luffy didn't manage to actually pull off "flow attacks" on the first try.

Confused by what you mean here. When didn't he actually pull of Flow? Do you mean when Hyogoro taught him, or when he fought Kaido that he didn't pull of Flow?

You have to focus a proper amount on the fist/sword for it to increase the attack power as dramatically as to injure Kaido

I'm still not sure of this. Can't cite anywhere that's stated or shown that Flow users require a certain amount. If this were the case, attacks would be far too slow to pull off and it wouldn't be practical in combat if you had to first gather enough and then use it. Essentially, you're implying Flow is like the Spirit Bomb technique that requires charging before it can be fully effective? Or am I getting this wrong?

He had to let Enma take more haki in each attack for his haki slashes to be as strong as what Kinemon can do casually. Which indeed means Kinemon has much greater control over his own haki than Zoro does over Enma.

So, assuming you're correct. Zoro uses Enma, builds up a lot of Haki that can do damage, so he's surprised and calls the Sword weird.

Technically, for the Scabbards to hurt Kaido, they have to do the same if I'm understanding your conceptualisation of Enma and Flow. It does raise the question why is it that if the Scabbards can generate more Haki than Zoro can, why didn't he say anything about their weapons or their Haki?

Spoiler

If I'm to take on your concept, it looks like there are a few things that don't quite add up.

 

[kkck]

He both showed and explained it to Luffy in a context completely devoid of swords. I think what you’re looking for is a visual representation of the movement of Haki, like Gyou in HxH. Just because we don’t see that visually doesn’t mean that isn’t how it works.

The reason why you don’t see people maintaining layers of Haki around their bodies for extended periods of time is because it’s clearly very taxing and drains your Haki quicker. Luffy can’t maintain Gear 4 for long periods because he’s in a constant state of armament. Whereas blocking with a body part other than a sword is simply using it there

My point in my post is that we specifically see haki not working like hyogoro mentions it does. You have gear 4 luffy. Hardened haki is an integral part of how gear 4 works. Luffy clads most of his body in it and uses to also manipulate his elasticity. However we see gear 4 luffy using haki projection at the highest level and his body is still hardened. Even though, based on hyoguro's explanation, haki should be flowing from his body into his fists and out of them.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

Gotta say, to me hyoguro's explanation regarding how haki projection works always felt off. Specifically because of the part concerning how you take haki from the rest of your body onto a specific point. Wouldn't that mean that when projecting haki the rest of your body is defenseless? The strongest form of projection so far is the version where you deal internal damage but luffy pummeled kaido with it and through the duration of his attack he remained clad in hardened haki. Which shouldn't be possible if he was moving his haki from his body to his fists to project it. Maybe hyoguro's explanation is more about swordsmen specifically and doesn't apply to brawlers? I could see swordsmen generally just applying haki to their swords and not the rest of their body while fighting in order to maximize their sword's offense and defense (though even then you'd think a layer of haki covering the body is a healthy option).

Hyogoro didn't say all the Haki.

In every panel with Hyogoro, he focuses and puts emphasis on Haki flowing. Once Haki flows, it seems to magically gain all these additional qualities and abilities.

He never says all the Haki has to be focused on 1 part, he simply says to let it flow from parts of the body not using it. I don't think that means you can't still be protected, I think as long as the Haki flows, it is Advanced Haki that can be projected or internalised to do damage.