Far be it from me to defend Irene, but what? How is shattering a cathedral impressive at this point, especially to someone like Irene? August was about to nuke the city and was destroying the cathedral just due to his immense magical power and Irene is certainly on his general level. August also blocked Gildarts punch pretty easily. Yes, he was taken aback a bit by the strength of it, but he still easily blocked it.
? He destroyed a cathedral. Irene brought down a metor, enchant 1m soilders that were overpowering Erza and actually forced one of the characters to die. Universe 1 shits in literally anything gildart will ever doo. Even a paw swipe from Irene broke almost all of Erza bones for a moment.
Not really. August and Irene have been implied to be on similar levels since they were introduced with August having the edge. Not once is it ever implied that one is significantly above the other. And I'm sorry, but destroying a cathedral by accident isn't impressive either. It's a building. We've seen destructive feats far far far above that at this point.
No, they're really not. Irene broke every bone in Erza's body with a single swipe. She enchanted a meteor from space. That's significantly better than Gildarts destroying a cathedral or blocking a random magical attack from August.
Agree that Irene's portrayal and feats are above Gildarts (only reason she lost is due to Wendy and Erza bullshit and of course PoF) but want to point out that summoning a meteor from space shouldn't be that big a deal. Jellal did it back in Tartarus lol.
That wasn't a meteor from space. That was one he created from his magic. Irene literally enchanted one from outer space and hurled it to Earth in an attempt to kill Erza. It's far more impressive than Jellal's.
The very fact that the only thing capable of hurting dragons is DS magic. You're welcome to point me to a panel where any other magic is effective against them? This was the very reason Wendy had to enchant Erza's sword with DS magic. It's the very reason why people like Wendy were capable of hurting dragons back during the GMG while people like Makarov couldn't.
No, it most certainly is not. All it means is that a sword strike as powerful as Erza's combined with DS magic would be capable of beating a dragon like Irene. Gildarts qualifies for the former, but he most certainly doesn't for the latter as he doesn't possess DS magic.
I don't know what part of my post you're addressing here.
And Ajeel decimated Erza who proceeded to beat Irene. Logic doesn't exactly apply when it comes to her or can Ajeel suddenly beat Irene now?
I'm not and there's no evidence he can at this point.
You keep claiming this with nothing to back it up. Gildarts has done nothing so far that's more impressive than Irene.
I'm not. You're the one overhyping Gildarts despite the fact that he hasn't done anything yet.
Was it ever stated he created it out of his magic? Irene's magic is called Deus *Sema* which is the same thing as Jellal's except vastly more powerful. Hiro wouldn't give it the same name otherwise. He even made Erza comment on how it was a stronger version of Jellal's magic. Even Irene herself said 'Enchant into Heavenly Body Magic' so technically it should work in the same way.
It didn't need to be. You see a cyclone form in the sky when Jellal uses sema and then a meteor drops. You never see a meteor coming in from space like you do with Irene's. It being an upgraded version of the same spell doesn't mean the mechanics work in the same way. It just means should Jellal eventually get that spell then he too could call in a meteor from space. And I wouldn't use Erza as reliable source considering she's never even seen Jellal's sema.
Except it's literally Sema but just enchanted to be more powerful. Deus is literally a prefix for high level enchantments. Irene used it before in her fight against Erza and Wendy and Wendy did too - most of their named spells had the prefix 'Deus'.
They most certainly could, at least more so than normal mages.
Erza was performing better against Irene even after Wendy went down than how she performed against Ajeel. My point still stands. So if we're using your argument then I guess Ajeel can beat Irene and since Elfman and Lisanna beat Ajeel they can beat Irene as well, right? Like I said, logic doesn't apply to Erza. Her cutting down that meteor in no way means Gildarts can.
I'm most certainly not. All I've done is state what she's done, which is break every bone in Erzas's body with a single swipe and call down a meteor from outer space. Gildarts has destroyed a cathedral and blocked a random magcial attack from August. Absolutely nothing about either of those feats warrants placing him above Irene let alone "far" above her like you're claiming.
Not really. I've already pointed out the flaw in that argument. And he doesn't have DS magic, so he's never getting past her durability.
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Exactly. Irene's enchantment abilities allow her to call a meteor from space rather than create one like Jellal's.
This is my view now exactly.