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[Mohsen]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

To be fair, under that logic no one in the manga should know what dragon force looks like. Most of them are barely 20 and we have seen the first times they have entered dragon force (safe for sting and rogue and even then makarov at least had not seen it before). Most people in the manga seem familiar with dragon force as something they have read about in books so to speak. Also worth noting, dragon force seems to look different depending on the circumstances one uses it. Natsu has used dragon force through consuming ethereon, then the flame of rebuke and on his own when fighting mard geer. Granted there are similarities however its still entirely possible that the differences between wendy's dragon force appearances are due to the forced nature of the first time she used it (by absorbing face's ethernano) and the second where she entered it willingly.

The ones who clearly knew about DF are the old school mages and the living excylclopedia. In name Zero, Jellal(pupil of Zero), Mavis and Marde. So how does Lucy fit in there?

 

[kkck]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

The ones who clearly knew about DF are the old school mages and the living excylclopedia. In name Zero, Jellal(pupil of Zero), Mavis and Marde. So how does Lucy fit in there?

How is jelal old school? The only reason he is older than erza is because erza was frozen in time. And zero is probably not that old either. Even makarov and mavis are not old enough to have actually seen dragon force. They could only have read about it, to which age and experience is irrelevant. And as far as being a living encyclopedia, wouldn't lucy fall into that? She is one of the smarter characters around and as far as we know well read even if she is used for comedic relieve. She did figure out the whole book thing at the start of the manga and she was the one that figured out the clue of the s class test. As far as at least the main characters are concerned, lucy is with a reasonable margin the brain of the group.

 

[metsujin]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

How is jelal old school? The only reason he is older than erza is because erza was frozen in time. And zero is probably not that old either. Even makarov and mavis are not old enough to have actually seen dragon force. They could only have read about it, to which age and experience is irrelevant. And as far as being a living encyclopedia, wouldn't lucy fall into that? She is one of the smarter characters around and as far as we know well read even if she is used for comedic relieve. She did figure out the whole book thing at the start of the manga and she was the one that figured out the clue of the s class test. As far as at least the main characters are concerned, lucy is with a reasonable margin the brain of the group.

When he said Zero he meant his magic which is archive, well it's Brain's magic, but they share the same body, different personalities tho. Mavis knows a lot of stuff, she knew about Zeref's curse, which even impressed Zeref himself (chapter 7 of FT Zero, if you read it), she knows about Dragon Force too.

 

[kkck]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

When he said Zero he meant his magic which is archive, well it's Brain's magic, but they share the same body, different personalities tho. Mavis knows a lot of stuff, she knew about Zeref's curse, which even impressed Zeref himself (chapter 7 of FT Zero, if you read it), she knows about Dragon Force too.

My point was more along the age of the characters and the idea that you had to have specifically seen something to identify it. Basically, virtually no one safe mard geer is old enough to have seen dragon force in this age. Well, at least it would take several interesting develops for there to have actually been dragon slayers in the world before the past 30 years or so when the current dragon slayers were born. You can know stuff by reading about it, which is pretty much the only alternative mages around have to know about dragon force.

 

[Mohsen]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

How is jelal old school? The only reason he is older than erza is because erza was frozen in time. And zero is probably not that old either. Even makarov and mavis are not old enough to have actually seen dragon force. They could only have read about it, to which age and experience is irrelevant. And as far as being a living encyclopedia, wouldn't lucy fall into that? She is one of the smarter characters around and as far as we know well read even if she is used for comedic relieve. She did figure out the whole book thing at the start of the manga and she was the one that figured out the clue of the s class test. As far as at least the main characters are concerned, lucy is with a reasonable margin the brain of the group.

I said that Jellal was taught by Brain/Zero who with his magic archive has a vast knowledge of magic.

You yourself says that Df differes from time to time so when does one know that one is using DF and when not? There must be something that DF has, that is always there. Jellal was even shocked that Sting could enter DF willingly cause the magical power needed for it seems to be a lot. So if Wendy can now enter it willingly then she with 13 years of age has more magical power than Natsu and Gajeel with 17 years of age. Natsu couldn't eneter DF until he fought Marde Geer.

 

[kkck]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

I said that Jellal was taught by Brain/Zero who with his magic archive has a vast knowledge of magic.

You yourself says that Df differes from time to time so when does one know that one is using DF and when not? There must be something that DF has, that is always there. Jellal was even shocked that Sting could enter DF willingly cause the magical power needed for it seems to be a lot. So if Wendy can now enter it willingly then she with 13 years of age has more magical power than Natsu and Gajeel with 17 years of age. Natsu couldn't eneter DF until he fought Marde Geer.

It adds up to the same thing thing, age and experience is for the most part irrelevant to whether one is familiar with dragon force or not. People probably need to have been hundreds of years old in order to have witnessed dragon force, a requirement which not even mavis fulfills as she comes from well after the time DS fought dragons. Lucy is precisely every bit as qualified as anyone else to judge whether something is or not dragonforce considering she is as likely to have seen or read about it as anyone else.

Well, rather than their age using DF seems to be related to the dragons leaving their bodies. So when igneel and grandine left their bodies both gained the ability to use dragon force at will. The time before wendy had entered dragon force not through her own power but rather that of face. It wouldn't be weird if there is a minimum amount of magic required to use dragon force and wendy meets it. Her strength has been implied to be well above that of natsu from before second origin and nowadays with dragon force she probably easily exceeds post second origin natsu. We saw her fight on par with shelia who was pretty much a match for freaking jubia (though the fight probably did not meet the requirements for jubia to get emotional enough to use her full power but still). And then with dragon force wendy bested that demon... Wendy isn't just stronger than pre second origin natsu or second origin natsu (barring lightining flame), she is VASTLY stronger than them. Lightning flame would maybe turn the tide in natsu's favor though, it was enough for him and gajeel to overwhelming demons back in the day after all.

 

[Shasha23]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

I said that Jellal was taught by Brain/Zero who with his magic archive has a vast knowledge of magic.

You yourself says that Df differes from time to time so when does one know that one is using DF and when not? There must be something that DF has, that is always there. Jellal was even shocked that Sting could enter DF willingly cause the magical power needed for it seems to be a lot. So if Wendy can now enter it willingly then she with 13 years of age has more magical power than Natsu and Gajeel with 17 years of age. Natsu couldn't eneter DF until he fought Marde Geer.

its not about magic power, entering DF doesnt require huge magic power to enter, Natsu was forcing himself to enter DF before, but what we have seen after is that you don't need a lot of magic power to enter it, the dragons were manipulating how much power the DS could actually use and the level of mastery they had using DS magic, Sting and Rugues dragons let them, while it could be said the other dragons were holding them back, but after they left their bodies Natsu used it while he had depilated most of his magic fighting Mard Geer and Wendy is able to use it at will now, Gajeel can probably now use it easily like Sting and Rugue

 

[Holt]

Going by Laxus and Natsu's recent showings, anyone feel they could defeat dragons? Well defeat is probably still a stretch since we haven't seen the full capabilities, however, a rematch against the dragons during the GMG arc would go very differently. I'm quite sure Laxus last attack was bigger than anything the dragons did. It seems acnologia is the only dragon left which is a shame. I would really have loved to see the current DS, well Lacus and Natsu at least, face off against a dragon.

 

[DemonKing888]

Going by Laxus and Natsu's recent showings, anyone feel they could defeat dragons? Well defeat is probably still a stretch since we haven't seen the full capabilities, however, a rematch against the dragons during the GMG arc would go very differently. I'm quite sure Laxus last attack was bigger than anything the dragons did. It seems acnologia is the only dragon left which is a shame. I would really have loved to see the current DS, well Lacus and Natsu at least, face off against a dragon.

The Dragons said Acnologia ripped their soul out leaving them in a half dead state. This means Acnologia dragonslaying magic has something to do with souls.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/415/8
I wouldn't be surprise if Acnologia could control the souls of dragons and breath life back into their bones. Doesn't it seem odd that Zeref considers Acnologia a equal but then went off to say he built a kingdom in-order to fight him.

We could see a Arc with Acnologia leading a group of zombie dragons or dragonslayers.

 

[MangerDan]

Who knows they might be able to do more damage now and be a bigger problem than natsu was after he ate atlas's flames, but it also took the help of atlas. Also a big attack doesn't mean you'll be able to take down a dragon or that Laxus attack is dragon tiered in damage to an opponent. Igneels roar was massive and probably could've taken out a normal dragon and yet didn't do much against acnologia but a simple bite ripped off his arm.

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The Dragons said Acnologia ripped their soul out leaving them in a half dead state. This means Acnologia dragonslaying magic has something to do with souls.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/415/8
I wouldn't be surprise if Acnologia could control the souls of dragons and breath life back into their bones. Doesn't it seem odd that Zeref considers Acnologia a equal but then went off to say he built a kingdom in-order to fight him.

We could see a Arc with Acnologia leading a group of zombie dragons or dragonslayers.

Considering the guy hates everything I doubt he'll have or even want army let alone one made of the very beings he slaughtered.
To me zeref's goal is setting up e.n.d as a weapon against acnologia and ultimately the one who can kill him.

 

[Nizen]

The Dragons said Acnologia ripped their soul out leaving them in a half dead state. This means Acnologia dragonslaying magic has something to do with souls.
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/415/8
I wouldn't be surprise if Acnologia could control the souls of dragons and breath life back into their bones. Doesn't it seem odd that Zeref considers Acnologia a equal but then went off to say he built a kingdom in-order to fight him.
We could see a Arc with Acnologia leading a group of zombie dragons or dragonslayers.

Well soul consumption has become kinda common in FT. Even Silver said that he consumed souls of demons(That explains how Gray could look into Tempesta's body, that's a different trait). That wouldn't be Acnologia's speciality, i assume.

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AND I just noticed something.
Remember that trailer for the new movie? Natsu is shown dragonifying. But only his left side dragonifies! The right side, the arm he keeps holding hasn't changed a bit. This makes it obvious that Natsu holding his arm isn't a sign of dragonifying but its his END form or power, whatever you call it.

 

[Indra Shinigami]

Doesn't anyone find it odd that out of all the first generation dragon slayers, Gajeel is the only one that hasn't shown his dragon force. Personally, I'm extremely interested in Gajeels character because he has had the least backstory out of most dragon slayers and i find that really odd. Maybe Hiro is just turning Gajeel into a side character which i hope is not the case. But I seriously hope they have something interesting in store for Gajeel, because he eis the most potential in my opinion, and i have a feeling that his dragon force could blow natsu and wendy's out of the water (I AM NOT SAYING GAJEEL IS STRONGER THAN NATSU, I AM JUST SAYING GAJEEL'S DRAGON FORCE COULD TURN OUT TO BE MORE OF A THREAT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT NATSU IS END) and also, this is MY OPINION, you guys might think im ridiclious but this perosnally my opinion, but doesn;t anyone this acnologia's human form looks kind of like gajeels. maybe there is a connection, it's probably a big long shot, but im just dreaming here because that would be a really cool twist for Gajeel. but then again, i don't think alot of people expected natsu to be the younger brother of zeref so you know. and plus i think it would really do good for the Gray vs Natsu dynamic. like it would be cool if it was some triple threat shit like, E.N.D vs Gray vs Gajeel. like three of the main/supporting protaginists of the story going head to head. but it's far fetched though. It's just a long shot speculation. But if it does happen (highly unlikely) i would be fucking happy as a mofo.

 

[MangerDan]

Doesn't anyone find it odd that out of all the first generation dragon slayers, Gajeel is the only one that hasn't shown his dragon force. Personally, I'm extremely interested in Gajeels character because he has had the least backstory out of most dragon slayers and i find that really odd. Maybe Hiro is just turning Gajeel into a side character which i hope is not the case. But I seriously hope they have something interesting in store for Gajeel, because he eis the most potential in my opinion, and i have a feeling that his dragon force could blow natsu and wendy's out of the water (I AM NOT SAYING GAJEEL IS STRONGER THAN NATSU, I AM JUST SAYING GAJEEL'S DRAGON FORCE COULD TURN OUT TO BE MORE OF A THREAT CONSIDERING THE FACT THAT NATSU IS END) and also, this is MY OPINION, you guys might think im ridiclious but this perosnally my opinion, but doesn;t anyone this acnologia's human form looks kind of like gajeels. maybe there is a connection, it's probably a big long shot, but im just dreaming here because that would be a really cool twist for Gajeel. but then again, i don't think alot of people expected natsu to be the younger brother of zeref so you know. and plus i think it would really do good for the Gray vs Natsu dynamic. like it would be cool if it was some triple threat shit like, E.N.D vs Gray vs Gajeel. like three of the main/supporting protaginists of the story going head to head. but it's far fetched though. It's just a long shot speculation. But if it does happen (highly unlikely) i would be fucking happy as a mofo.

Hiro has said in an interview that he himself doesn't really know much about gajeel, he's even had to shave off parts of his story and give priority to natsu and Lucy since they are the main characters, but he'll know what to do when it comes time to draw his story.

 

[Indra Shinigami]

Hiro has said in an interview that he himself doesn't really know much about gajeel, he's even had to shave off parts of his story and give priority to natsu and Lucy since they are the main characters, but he'll know what to do when it comes time to draw his story.

Well fuck, i was starting to think that because when he joined ft i felt like he was starting to take priority over gray, but its like they recently brought gray back into the picture(him being devil slayer and his father and that)

 

[Dranzer]

I hope Wendy gets her own dual-element form like Natsu and Gajeel because that would be really cool, but if that were to happen, what element would she be paired with? I think it would be awesome if she found a way to become a Sky-Poison dragon because I absolutely love Cobra.

 

[Holt]

Yeah it would be nice if she did get a dual element and most already believe poison addition is the most likely. It would indeed be cool if she got that this arc. Cobra is with CS and Jellal has said he'd help out in the war so there's a solid chance she could get it soon. She'd probably be able to cope with the initial intake of poison with her healing abilities and afterwards adjust to it.

 

[Dranzer]

Yeah it would be nice if she did get a dual element and most already believe poison addition is the most likely. It would indeed be cool if she got that this arc. Cobra is with CS and Jellal has said he'd help out in the war so there's a solid chance she could get it soon. She'd probably be able to cope with the initial intake of poison with her healing abilities and afterwards adjust to it.

I do hope Crime Sorciere does get some screen time so that Wendy can get that dual element

 

[kkck]

That is a very interesting dual element for wendy. Dunno how it work out though. I guess her attacks would poison and being able to poison would perhaps make it so that she can more specifically target poisons or something...

 

[Holt]

I'd be lying if I said I understand the last part but well poison and wind should go well together. Plus since she's not a very hard hitter, her attacks can be more effective when incorporated with poison and she'd have a larger range to spread it

 

[RaizenSlayer]

I would love to see Wendy acquire a dual element, and poison doesn't seem like such a bad idea. Wendy is still very young and can only get stronger but adding poison could put some strength and damage behind her wind attacks.

I don't know either how it would work considering her sky healing magic only works on others and she can't use on herself, but even with DF, she should acquire another trait to make me believe she can hold her own against a Spriggan not just as a supporter for other mages but as a heavy hitter in her own right.

Also I still want to see if the idea of 2nd generation Dragon Slayers attaining DF is still a possibility. From everything we have seen the lacrima does impart the dragon slaying magic, but we have seen both Cobra and Laxus take on attributes similiar to dragons (scales, dragon lungs when Laxus inhaled the magic particles). I personally think it is possible to achieve DF, but perhaps special conditions must be met. Would love to see Coba and Laxus smirk at one another and have a moment like " Oh they think they are hot shit because they were taught by dragons, hm let's show them then" then boom DF before they fight a spriggan.