Discussion Official Dragon Slayers Thread

[kkck]

Difference is that Acnologia is on a whole different level. Acnologia wasn't just considered strong amongst the humans, he was considered strong amongst the dragons. Mages like Laxus are nothing compared to an average dragon like Zilconis. Just 4 dragons can wipe out all the Faces on the continent, which were Ishgal's defense against Alvarez. Igneel is on a higher level than these 4 dragons, and Acnologia is on a higher level than Igneel.

Acnologia literally has the power to conquer the entire world. That's every country on both continents of Ishgal and Alakitasia.

We are not talking about acknologia though, we are talking about all the other DS. More so, acknologia would even add to the case that the dragon slayers should be allowed to transform. It could be power that can be used against acknologia after all. At any point an absurdly powerful beyond human can appear. That is pretty much the implication of zeref as someone who can somehow stand up to acknologia. In that regard stopping a human from becoming a dragon does not make sense if the only purpose behind that is preventing dragonification. Unless dragonification itself has some other side effect from which dragon slayers should be protected.

 

[MangerDan]

Difference is that Acnologia is on a whole different level. Acnologia wasn't just considered strong amongst the humans, he was considered strong amongst the dragons. Mages like Laxus are nothing compared to an average dragon like Zilconis. Just 4 dragons can wipe out all the Faces on the continent, which were Ishgal's defense against Alvarez. Igneel is on a higher level than these 4 dragons, and Acnologia is on a higher level than Igneel.

Acnologia literally has the power to conquer the entire world. That's every country on both continents of Ishgal and Alakitasia.

To be fair igneel wasn't even at his full strength plus he was technically dead. Yet he still overpowered acnologia with just his strength and caused him the most damage anyone has caused him so far. Loosing a limb constitutes into a high diff fight no matter what even if acnologia wasn't going all out well that's on him.

 

[kkck]

Talking about acknologia...
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/436/16

Isn't he already in dragon force mode? I wonder if dragon force is his base form.

 

[Axiomus]

Talking about acknologia...
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/436/16

Isn't he already in dragon force mode? I wonder if dragon force is his base form.

I think his dragon force is his dragon form and his base form is just him not using magic.

 

[metsujin]

Talking about acknologia...
http://www.mangareader.net/fairy-tail/436/16

Isn't he already in dragon force mode? I wonder if dragon force is his base form.

Are you referring to his 'tattoos'? Maybe he was part of a tribe or something?

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To be fair igneel wasn't even at his full strength plus he was technically dead. Yet he still overpowered acnologia with just his strength and caused him the most damage anyone has caused him so far. Loosing a limb constitutes into a high diff fight no matter what even if acnologia wasn't going all out well that's on him.

I think Igneel also 'borrowed' some magic from Natsu, same with the other dragons. Grandiney says that they (dragons), hid in their dragon slayers to also prolong their own lives. Plus if you look at the dragon slayers who had dragons inside them, you'd notice that Cobra or Laxus were stronger than them. Laxus was defeated, and it took 2 dragon slayers to do it, heck Natsu would've been killed if it weren't for Gajeel. And Cobra, only reason Natsu won, as 'funny' as it was, the dude had really good hearing, and Natsu's roar made him 'deaf' not really, but you get the point (also before someone says "Jellal defeated Cobra..." he was in a prison, how the hell would've 'trained' if he couldn't use magic lol). Or at least that's how it looks to me, and really if you think about it, it kinda makes sense.

I also think that Acnologia would've still defeated Igneel, and Igneel was at the top.
I'll throw this anyway, regarding the dragonification 'antibodies', do you think there's a possibility that Natsu (since we saw that movie pic), can dragonize half of his body? Igneel mentions that's ALMOST impossible for them to turn into a 'Acnologia', but they (the dragon slayers), could possibly dragonize half of their bodies, what do you think about that?

 

[SirSamuel016]

I think Igneel also 'borrowed' some magic from Natsu, same with the other dragons. Grandiney says that they (dragons), hid in their dragon slayers to also prolong their own lives. Plus if you look at the dragon slayers who had dragons inside them, you'd notice that Cobra or Laxus were stronger than them. Laxus was defeated, and it took 2 dragon slayers to do it, heck Natsu would've been killed if it weren't for Gajeel. And Cobra, only reason Natsu won, as 'funny' as it was, the dude had really good hearing, and Natsu's roar made him 'deaf' not really, but you get the point (also before someone says "Jellal defeated Cobra..." he was in a prison, how the hell would've 'trained' if he couldn't use magic lol). Or at least that's how it looks to me, and really if you think about it, it kinda makes sense.

I've wondered the same thing for a while now. For it to prolong their lives, they would've had to sap some magic from their "hosts", if you'd call the dragon slayers that, if they were to prolong their lives.

 

[MangerDan]

Are you referring to his 'tattoos'? Maybe he was part of a tribe or something?

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I think Igneel also 'borrowed' some magic from Natsu, same with the other dragons. Grandiney says that they (dragons), hid in their dragon slayers to also prolong their own lives. Plus if you look at the dragon slayers who had dragons inside them, you'd notice that Cobra or Laxus were stronger than them. Laxus was defeated, and it took 2 dragon slayers to do it, heck Natsu would've been killed if it weren't for Gajeel. And Cobra, only reason Natsu won, as 'funny' as it was, the dude had really good hearing, and Natsu's roar made him 'deaf' not really, but you get the point (also before someone says "Jellal defeated Cobra..." he was in a prison, how the hell would've 'trained' if he couldn't use magic lol). Or at least that's how it looks to me, and really if you think about it, it kinda makes sense.

I also think that Acnologia would've still defeated Igneel, and Igneel was at the top.
I'll throw this anyway, regarding the dragonification 'antibodies', do you think there's a possibility that Natsu (since we saw that movie pic), can dragonize half of his body? Igneel mentions that's ALMOST impossible for them to turn into a 'Acnologia', but they (the dragon slayers), could possibly dragonize half of their bodies, what do you think about that?

I don't think any of the dragons borrowed mp from their dragon slayers in order to prolong their life the dragon slayers would need an insane amount of mp to do that in the first place. Honestly I think they were just in there to create the antibodies and being inside them helped prolonged their life better than being outside.
The way I see it is the creation of the antibodies prevented the dragon slayers into entering dragon force something we thought needed a large amount of magic power to activate.The dragons probably capped their ds magic power to the point they could never reach dragon force until the antibodies were finished hence why a large concentration of magic helped them briefly enter a somewhat dragon force. Probably why sting and rouges df was half baked and Natsu and Wendy's original df was different from his Tartarus df and avatar df respectively.

Natsu's dragonized form is just his dragon force hell it literally says a dragon force level announcement it depends how advanced they are in terms of their magic they could probably use df, but who knows about actuall half dragonizing like natsu he's the most advanced out of all of them plus he's got more going for him with the whole being e.n.d thing.

 

[AAM1232]

I think Natsu's dragonized form may have something to do with him being E.N.D., since he's been revived as an Etherious Demon by Zeref, and so not a true human like Gajeel, Wendy and the other DS, his constitution could have some effects on the dragon antibodies. So he might actually have two forms, a Dragon mode and a Demon mode, from the Book of E.N.D.. So the dragon antibodies might work on DS like Gajeel and Wendy but may be negated or changed by Natsu's body.

 

[AAM1232]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Spoiler Thread

@MangerDan summed it up perfectly. It wasn't Dragon Force because it wasn't stated as such, it was just Laxus activating his Dragon Slaying magic. Mashima wouldn't forget to wrote in something as big as Laxus using Dragon Force. Its not even known if you can even use dragon force if you weren't taught by a dragon, and its highly unlikely that Laxus or Cobra can use it as Dragon Force is a power inherited from a Dragon, as Mard Geer stated when Natsu used Dragon Force against him.

Actually it may be possible since they have Dragon Lachrima inside them to power them up like Rogue and Sting who had the same Dragon Lachrima. It's nowhere stated that you specifically need to learn from a Dragon and know some special moves to use Dragon Force.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Spoiler Thread

Actually it may be possible since they have Dragon Lachrima inside them to power them up like Rogue and Sting who had the same Dragon Lachrima. It's nowhere stated that you specifically need to learn from a Dragon and know some special moves to use Dragon Force.

Sting and Rogue were also taught by Dragons though, so it still looks like you can only use Dragon Force if you were trained by a Dragon. Apart from Laxus and Cobra, the only one we haven't seen use it is Gajeel, so that could just be his problem. But from what we've seen, the only Dragon Slayers to use Dragon Force are those taught by Dragons, so I doubt the 2nd Gen Dragon Slayers can use it.

 

[Lozmaster]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Spoiler Thread

Sting and Rogue were also taught by Dragons though, so it still looks like you can only use Dragon Force if you were trained by a Dragon. Apart from Laxus and Cobra, the only one we haven't seen use it is Gajeel, so that could just be his problem. But from what we've seen, the only Dragon Slayers to use Dragon Force are those taught by Dragons, so I doubt the 2nd Gen Dragon Slayers can use it.

I'm not really following the logic. There's no real reason that Laxus or cobra couldn't use dragon force. Maybe if you had to be taught it, but as far as we've seen neither natsu nor wendy learned it from dragons, instead doing it by themselves. Perhaps Sting and Rogue did, but we never saw that.

We should probably wait for Laxus to reappear before saying whether he can use dragon force or not. I suspect that Natsu can use it at will now, as can wendy. That puts 4 of the 7 able to. Perhaps Laxus was training specifically to get dragon force. And I doubt Gajeel will be that far behind natsu. If he doesn't have DF yet, he'll get it shortly.

Cobra, who knows, we have no idea if he even knows dragon force is a thing, or if he's likely to ahve trained to achieve it over the past year.

 

[milek]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

If he's dragon slayer then he should get dragon force. What is the point about dragon slayer power if rest of them dont have dragon force. They need df to defeat dragons even Mavis said that ( not about df , she said how week dragon slayers are).

 

[llamapie]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Spoiler Thread

Sting and Rogue were also taught by Dragons though, so it still looks like you can only use Dragon Force if you were trained by a Dragon. Apart from Laxus and Cobra, the only one we haven't seen use it is Gajeel, so that could just be his problem. But from what we've seen, the only Dragon Slayers to use Dragon Force are those taught by Dragons, so I doubt the 2nd Gen Dragon Slayers can use it.

I see no reason they can't. Remember the 1st gen slayers are like Natsu purely trained by their dragons. The 2nd gen just have dragon magic lacryma in their body. The 3rd gen is a bit of both. Sting and Rogue can use DF at will and we can assume it's because a combination of being trained and absorbing dragon magic directly. So it's possible for Gen 2 sure, I see no reason why they can't use DF.

 

[SirSamuel016]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Spoiler Thread

I see no reason they can't. Remember the 1st gen slayers are like Natsu purely trained by their dragons. The 2nd gen just have dragon magic lacryma in their body. The 3rd gen is a bit of both. Sting and Rogue can use DF at will and we can assume it's because a combination of being trained and absorbing dragon magic directly. So it's possible for Gen 2 sure, I see no reason why they can't use DF.

We've also seen Wendy activate it purely from will now as well though, so I'd say that being trained by a dragon still has to aid in getting Dragon Force at the least. The 2nd gen could get dragon force, but then again I have my doubts they could unlock it like the others have.

 

[Mohsen]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Spoiler Thread

We've also seen Wendy activate it purely from will now as well though, so I'd say that being trained by a dragon still has to aid in getting Dragon Force at the least. The 2nd gen could get dragon force, but then again I have my doubts they could unlock it like the others have.

Was that realy DF? It didn't look one bit like the DF that she used against the tartaros demon. It looked more like Sting's and Rouge's white/shadow drive. She didn't even have one scale and Lucy is not the best person to commemnt weather what Wendy was using really is DF or not. She never saw Wendy using it so how does she know how it looks like.

 

[AAM1232]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Spoiler Thread

Was that realy DF? It didn't look one bit like the DF that she used against the tartaros demon. It looked more like Sting's and Rouge's white/shadow drive. She didn't even have one scale and Lucy is not the best person to commemnt weather what Wendy was using really is DF or not. She never saw Wendy using it so how does she know how it looks like.

Not necessarily. From what I understand after rereading the chapters and wiki, the 1st gen dragon slayers normally without extensive training, need to take in large amounts of magic power, preferably their type of magic, in order to attain DF. The 2nd gen may get their DF from the Lachrima itself as it has a lot of magic power, while the 3rd gen have a easier time as they probably knew about it and how to easily acitivate it (even though it was complete shit). So for DF, one needs a lot of magic power which Natsu and Wendy have post timeskip, and of their type, as after eating Etherion, Natsu fell sick for a while.

Also, the source of the power may affect the looks as with Etherion, Natsu just had dragon scales, with Flame of Rebuke, DScales + Gold Flames, By himself, Flame Armour. For Wendy, with Ethernano, Scales like Spikes, but I'm not sure if what we saw during Avatar Arc was her normal DF mode. For the 3rd gen, as it comes from the Lachrima, they get scale-like patterns. I can't explain the 2nd gen yet as we have yet to see Laxus or Cobra using DF officially.

 

[MangerDan]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

The way I see it now is dragon force doesn't necessarily require a large amount of magic power like we previously thought. The dragons were more than likely preventing the slayers from accessing dragon force by constantly creating the antibodies and capping there mp enough so that it prevented them from using dragon force too much hence the whole needing a large amount of magic to activate. That's why natsu's natural df looked a lot more complete then his etherion df and flame of rebuke df same thing can be said for tarataros and avatar Wendy.
Third gens are the same they have access to it thanks to their lacrimas, but it was half baked at the time, which is probably how the second gen dragon slayers dragon force is going to be like if they even have access to it Laxus might after his training don't know about cobra, and if they don't well then who cares it won't affect the story at all.

 

[Lozmaster]

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Was that realy DF? It didn't look one bit like the DF that she used against the tartaros demon. It looked more like Sting's and Rouge's white/shadow drive. She didn't even have one scale and Lucy is not the best person to commemnt weather what Wendy was using really is DF or not. She never saw Wendy using it so how does she know how it looks like.

It was said explicitly in the manga that wendy used dragon force on her own. Plus her hair changed colour like it did the first time.

If you have proof otherwise, show it. "I think..." means nothing when the manga explicitly calls it dragon force by name.

 

[Mohsen]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

The way I see it now is dragon force doesn't necessarily require a large amount of magic power like we previously thought. The dragons were more than likely preventing the slayers from accessing dragon force by constantly creating the antibodies and capping there mp enough so that it prevented them from using dragon force too much hence the whole needing a large amount of magic to activate. That's why natsu's natural df looked a lot more complete then his etherion df and flame of rebuke df same thing can be said for tarataros and avatar Wendy.
Third gens are the same they have access to it thanks to their lacrimas, but it was half baked at the time, which is probably how the second gen dragon slayers dragon force is going to be like if they even have access to it Laxus might after his training don't know about cobra, and if they don't well then who cares it won't affect the story at all.

Mavis stated that a human capable of achieving DF is not ordinary and that is why even she and Jellal were shocked that Sting and Rogue could willingly enter DF. So achieving DF is the ultimate level a DS can reach and even someone of Marde's level was quite suprised when natsu entered it.

@Lozmaster:
The manga didn't state anything. Only Lucy commented on it and she never saw neither natsu nor Wendy ever enetering DF. So how does she know how DF looks like. This would be the same as me saying that I know how you look like even though I never met you.

All DS til know when they entered DF with outside help or on their own like Natsu,Sting and Rogue all had scales on their body, Wendy on the other side after the timeskip only started to glow like Sting and Rogue when they use their drive mode.

sting and rougue in drive mode:
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/294/22

wendy's mode after time skip:
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/432/16

Like I said Wendy resembles more the drive mode of sting and rogue than her own DF mode.

 

[kkck]

Re: Fairy Tail 446 Discussion/ 447 Predictions

To be fair, under that logic no one in the manga should know what dragon force looks like. Most of them are barely 20 and we have seen the first times they have entered dragon force (safe for sting and rogue and even then makarov at least had not seen it before). Most people in the manga seem familiar with dragon force as something they have read about in books so to speak. Also worth noting, dragon force seems to look different depending on the circumstances one uses it. Natsu has used dragon force through consuming ethereon, then the flame of rebuke and on his own when fighting mard geer. Granted there are similarities however its still entirely possible that the differences between wendy's dragon force appearances are due to the forced nature of the first time she used it (by absorbing face's ethernano) and the second where she entered it willingly.