Discussion Official Dragon Slayers Thread

[A_Katz]

Ok, so I'm reading these theories and I'm a little tiny bit confused. People are totally forgetting there are like 700 guilds in Alvrez. There is a high chance 2 First generation DS are there. I read on one of the earlier pages that it would be nice to meet new characters, and I totally agree! 2 new dragon slayers could be great. Although there is an issue in that only 5 DS were sent to the future... Oh well! We should wait and see...

 

[Verter]

Acnologia obviously talked abut the 7 DS.
He wants all the dragon slaying magic that exists in the world. Being taught by a dragon only gives a faster learning curve.
Natsu, Wendy, Gajeel, Rogue and Sting are literally the same as Cobra and Laxus. They all aren't dragons, they all just have a lacrima in their body giving them dragon slayer magic.

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/150/9

Ok, so I'm reading these theories and I'm a little tiny bit confused. People are totally forgetting there are like 700 guilds in Alvrez. There is a high chance 2 First generation DS are there. I read on one of the earlier pages that it would be nice to meet new characters, and I totally agree! 2 new dragon slayers could be great. Although there is an issue in that only 5 DS were sent to the future... Oh well! We should wait and see...

No, same link
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/150/9

Ther's no more dragons. They all are extinct.

So here just 5 ppl (who went from past) and one (Acno) who lives 400+ years
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/415/8
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/415/9

 

[Axiomus]

@Holt
Acnologia might be weaker in his human form, but I don't see him as being weaker than Natsu. Natsu couldn't dragonize using Igneel's power, so Natsu doesn't have the benefits of being a dragon either. The 2-3x power thing could be explained by the fact that he had received an outside power-source from Jellal, who was arguably twice as powerful as Natsu at that time. Do I see Tartarus Natsu as tripling his magical supply? Not really, I see him as burning up his power supply extremely fast for far stronger attacks. The power Natsu received from Igneel, however, was something that Acnologia had already shown to be stronger than. Do I believe Natsu would get wrecked as badly as Serena did? Probably not. However, I can see Acnologia tearing off limbs from Natsu. Btw, are we allowed to talk about human Acnologia in the ds thread? If so, please move my post there.

 

[A_Katz]

http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/150/9



No, same link
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/150/9

Ther's no more dragons. They all are extinct.

So here just 5 ppl (who went from past) and one (Acno) who lives 400+ years
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/415/8
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/415/9

Correct me if I'm wrong... but while the war (war between dragons 400 years ago) there were a group of dragons who wanted to teach humans DS magic to defeat the other dragons... I'm nearly completely positive it wasn't just those 5 dragons (Igneel, Matalica, Grandeenie, & Sting and Rouges dragon) just training humans. There had to be more, because 5 dragons and 5 DS could most likely, not win a war. So maybe I was wrong, maybe it isn't 1st gen. DS, maybe it's 20th gen. DS who are all the descendants of 1st gen... PLEASE correct me if I am wrong...

 

[Axiomus]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but while the war (war between dragons 400 years ago) there were a group of dragons who wanted to teach humans DS magic to defeat the other dragons... I'm nearly completely positive it wasn't just those 5 dragons (Igneel, Matalica, Grandeenie, & Sting and Rouges dragon) just training humans. There had to be more, because 5 dragons and 5 DS could most likely, not win a war. So maybe I was wrong, maybe it isn't 1st gen. DS, maybe it's 20th gen. DS who are all the descendants of 1st gen... PLEASE correct me if I am wrong...

We don't know. From the flashback, we see Weisslogia training about a dozen dragon slayers. I'm pretty sure the other dragons in the pro-human side trained dragon slayers as well. However, we do know that there were only 5 dragon slayers sent to the future. That has been confirmed. Unless there was a dragon living undetected for 400 years, there can only be 5 first generation dragon slayers at present time.

There could be multiple 2nd gen dragon slayers though, like Laxus, Cobra, and Serena.

 

[Verter]

Correct me if I'm wrong... but while the war (war between dragons 400 years ago) there were a group of dragons who wanted to teach humans DS magic to defeat the other dragons... I'm nearly completely positive it wasn't just those 5 dragons (Igneel, Matalica, Grandeenie, & Sting and Rouges dragon) just training humans. There had to be more, because 5 dragons and 5 DS could most likely, not win a war. So maybe I was wrong, maybe it isn't 1st gen. DS, maybe it's 20th gen. DS who are all the descendants of 1st gen... PLEASE correct me if I am wrong...

If be true, I explain it for myself very easy.
Humans wont live 400+ years. So other "real" DS dead too (were killed or died by age).

Why Zeref alive - it's ok, we know why. Why Acno - it's main question.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 24, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 24, 2016 ---

P.S. If we look on Acno, he's young guy. So his aging very likely stopped too. I don't say he get Ankhseram curse too. But he could get something near it for aging way.

 

[A_Katz]

We don't know. From the flashback, we see Weisslogia training about a dozen dragon slayers. I'm pretty sure the other dragons in the pro-human side trained dragon slayers as well. However, we do know that there were only 5 dragon slayers sent to the future. That has been confirmed. Unless there was a dragon living undetected for 400 years, there can only be 5 first generation dragon slayers at present time.

There could be multiple 2nd gen dragon slayers though, like Laxus, Cobra, and Serena.

Yeah I don't know, the idea of having just 2nd gen. DS isn't that amazing after the second time... I want something fresh and new, although descendants isn't that amazing either... I just want new characters...:3

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 24, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 24, 2016 ---

If be true, I explain it for myself very easy.
Humans wont live 400+ years. So other "real" DS dead too (were killed or died by age).

Why Zeref alive - it's ok, we know why. Why Acno - it's main question.

--- Double Post Merged, Jan 24, 2016, Original Post Date: Jan 24, 2016 ---

P.S. If we look on Acno, he's young guy. So his aging very likely stopped too. I don't say he get Ankhseram curse too. But he could get something near it for aging way.

Descendants... so not people from 400 years ago... their kids... people they trained, and then the people they trained, train a new generation after that, ect.... So your correct, your just not catching my drift And yeah, your totally correct, we have no idea why Acno is still alive...

 

[Verter]

Descendants... so not people from 400 years ago... their kids... people they trained, and then the people they trained, train a new generation after that, ect.... So your correct, your just not catching my drift And yeah, your totally correct, we have no idea why Acno is still alive...

Nah, it's likely demand direct "influence" by dragons. As we know from biology something transfer through generation, something no (and disappear with host body death).

 

[Verter]

Little correction.

His human form don't age.

F.e. These 5 DS kids have normal aging processes
http://www.mangapanda.com/fairy-tail/465/13

 

[Holt]

@Holt
Acnologia might be weaker in his human form, but I don't see him as being weaker than Natsu. Natsu couldn't dragonize using Igneel's power, so Natsu doesn't have the benefits of being a dragon either. The 2-3x power thing could be explained by the fact that he had received an outside power-source from Jellal, who was arguably twice as powerful as Natsu at that time. Do I see Tartarus Natsu as tripling his magical supply? Not really, I see him as burning up his power supply extremely fast for far stronger attacks. The power Natsu received from Igneel, however, was something that Acnologia had already shown to be stronger than. Do I believe Natsu would get wrecked as badly as Serena did? Probably not. However, I can see Acnologia tearing off limbs from Natsu. Btw, are we allowed to talk about human Acnologia in the ds thread? If so, please move my post there.

Human Acnologia is a DS so yes, he fits in this thread.
Is DF simply burning through more MP? That doesn't seem like the case. It's more like the power tripling. Natsu went from being unable to faze base Mard Geer to being able to actually keep up and harm him in his Etherious mode and this was because of DF. Also consider Wendy and Ezel. Frankly, DF isn't simply burning through more MP. Honestly, I can't even see how such a conclusions is logical or fits with what we've seen so far. It's been stated numerous times that DF gives DS power equivalent to dragons (even though they don't exactly get on par). It's not just about the volume or scale of the attacks they use. Their abilities and attacks are all given a considerable boost.

Actually, if Natsu was caught off-guard like Serena was, the implication would be him getting in the same situation. Serena stomped the 3 gods of ishgar and Jura on his own. That's not a feat that any FT member can be claimed to reproduce. Except we're talking about FDK Natsu.

 

[Brandish μ]

I think it's most likely that DF burns thru MP quicker.

- We seen Natsu stay in it for maybe 30 seconds and doing one secret art before falling from running out of power as he mentioned. He was pretty beat up before entering DF though so it's not like we have a good basis to work with.
- If DF doesn't burn through MP quicker but actually gave the slayers triple MP I would assume that Wendy/Natsu/Gajeel/Sting/Rogue wouldn't bother ever fighting in base. What's the point of staying in base if they can perform at a higher level without an MP burden?
- I tend to not like the concept of 'tripling' or amplifying power out of nowhere. This is a personal thing, from ideas like conservation of energy. Like where is this ethernano coming from?

DF gives DS amplified abilities. When performing at a higher level more power is required - this pretty much isn't a debate really. So here are the options I can think of to explain how DF uses MP...
- Burns through the MP of the slayer quicker, allowing them to use more MP/sec than a human can.
- Dragon biology allows ethernano to be used more efficiently than a human
- DF increases MP of the slayer by somehow gaining more ethernano instantly.

 

[Axiomus]

I'm kind of iffy on magic power just tripling because that feels too OP.

Basically, I see Dragon Force as turning you dragon-like. In order to do that, you burn through you magic much more quickly. You can be several times stronger in you dragon force state as compared to your base state, but the magic power available to you is still the same. Think of your magic container like a a swimming pool. Base mode would be like using the water to fill water balloons to hurl at your opponent. Dragon Force would be like attaching a fire-fighter's hose to the swimming pool.

 

[kira]

do any of you guys remember chapter 101 where grandine and igneel was talking?

do you think what happened in tartaros was just mind manipulation by the dragons and they are still alive somewhere?

 

[Verter]

From time to time in discussion about recent chapters everyone may notice posts about some unrevealed manga events, which hardly correspond with current manga events.
The life of these posts are pretty short generally But some of them, imho, kinda interesting to answer.
So, I suggest this topic for them)

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I noticed this week post about chapter 101 and dragons. So let me explain this (or if I'm wrong, correct me please).
-) It's true, we've known about Wendy since this chapter (and not since her appear as allied force member)
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/v13/c101/9.html
But maybe someone don't know that actually Wendy should be a water dragon slayer.
But eventually Hiro changed his plans. And even more this scene wasn't animated.
So line about Wendy-Natsu rivaly (or even enmity) may be canceled.
Or maybe we get explain, which says all these kids were actually grown-up and turned back into kids.
http://mangafox.me/manga/fairy_tail/vTBD/c465/16.html

 

[kira]

it was. in episode 48 around 7-9 minute mark you can see the same scene in the manga where grandine was talking to igneel.

 

[GodOfDestruction]

So chapter 475 has me thinking. We could be seeing the end of the Dragon Slayers or Slayers in general. We saw that Wendy and Sherria have no chance of beating DiMaria. Ultear decides to give them the choice of Thrid Origin, which I have no idea what it is, to defeat her. But at the cost of never using magic again. If Wendy says yes. Then I think Hiro will continue to do this with tge rest of the Slayers except Natsu and Gray. Soon enough when Gajeel is fighting with Sabertooth. Something will cone up that takes away Gajeel, Stings, Rouge, and Orgas Slayer powers. Leaving Natsu to fight Acnologia. Then Gray to fight END.

What do you guys think?
Discuss in the comments.

 

[Axiomus]

So chapter 475 has me thinking. We could be seeing the end of the Dragon Slayers or Slayers in general. We saw that Wendy and Sherria have no chance of beating DiMaria. Ultear decides to give them the choice of Thrid Origin, which I have no idea what it is, to defeat her. But at the cost of never using magic again. If Wendy says yes. Then I think Hiro will continue to do this with tge rest of the Slayers except Natsu and Gray. Soon enough when Gajeel is fighting with Sabertooth. Something will cone up that takes away Gajeel, Stings, Rouge, and Orgas Slayer powers. Leaving Natsu to fight Acnologia. Then Gray to fight END.

What do you guys think?
Discuss in the comments.

I don't think Wendy would lose her powers permanently. Maybe Chelia, but not Wendy. I also don't see the other slayers getting taken out. Besides, there's no chance for any of the slayers to interact with Ultear to unlock 3rd origin anyways.

I'm not entirely convinced Natsu will ever turn evil at this point, so we'll have to see if he ever fights Gray. Either way, I see the whole thing with END being resolved before we get to Zeref again. I see the final fight as being a 3 way between Natsu, Zeref, and Acnologia. Natsu will probably turn Zeref to the good side, and then we're left with Acnologia as the final villain.

 

[Damon blevins]

Is it just a coincidence that all lacrima Dragon slayers have facial scars?

Laxus eye scar
Cobra eye scar
Rouge nose scar
Sting scar above his eye
God Serena nose scar

 

[Brandish μ]

Is it just a coincidence that all lacrima Dragon slayers have facial scars?

Laxus eye scar
Cobra eye scar
Rouge nose scar
Sting scar above his eye
God Serena nose scar

You can add Natsu to that list, pretty sure Zeref marked him good. Wendy is the only one whose face will remain untouched imo.

 

[reesestl]

So chapter 475 has me thinking. We could be seeing the end of the Dragon Slayers or Slayers in general. We saw that Wendy and Sherria have no chance of beating DiMaria. Ultear decides to give them the choice of Thrid Origin, which I have no idea what it is, to defeat her. But at the cost of never using magic again. If Wendy says yes. Then I think Hiro will continue to do this with tge rest of the Slayers except Natsu and Gray. Soon enough when Gajeel is fighting with Sabertooth. Something will cone up that takes away Gajeel, Stings, Rouge, and Orgas Slayer powers. Leaving Natsu to fight Acnologia. Then Gray to fight END.

What do you guys think?
Discuss in the comments.

hahaha... thank you! i had a good laugh. What a morose prediction.