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[Firepower]

Problem is for Ultear to work this third origin someone has to be using that time dimension thing that Dimaria is using. Otherwise Ultear can't join the battle.

Now that I think about it why doesn't Dimaria just switch off her time seal to get rid of Ultear?

 

[Ichibei]

She doesnt seem to be the brightest person, or Ultear is able to block it?

 

[Yunkers]

Or she's afraid that somebody will come to rescue girls. After all it's easier to fight two girls than two girls and, for example, a whole Lamia Scale. Additionally who know if she can use Take-over is real world?

 

[Kiki]

This topic of Acnologia hunting dragon slayer or not has actually been floating around this forum. But I personally think it's clear enough to draw conclusion that Acno is hunting 7 DS. Because he said "7 left" after killing Serena and after Serena showed his DS magic. What other number fits seven?

 

[THE ALMIGHTY CRYBABY]

This topic of Acnologia hunting dragon slayer or not has actually been floating around this forum. But I personally think it's clear enough to draw conclusion that Acno is hunting 7 DS. Because he said "7 left" after killing Serena and after Serena showed his DS magic. What other number fits seven?

We do not know anything about Acnologias true intentions but what we know about him, is that he is/was waiting for something important to occur!!! In Future Rogue's timeline he was ruling the world after something happened.
I personally think that he has decided to kill the DS recentely because he obviously hates dragons ( DS can be refered as dragons too like acno did with Serena) and also all DS are now in one country so he doesn't have to endeavor to look for them as it used to be in previous arcs. If his objective rly was to slay the DS, he would have probably showed up more times and he would have tried to assassinate them at the very latest in Tataros Arc where he knew for sure that the DS of Tenrou had survived.
Acnologia also only appeared when there was somebody who he had seen as a possible threat to him like in Tenrou Arc Zeref or in Tataros Arc E.N.D !
Mard Geer and Igneel both thought that Acno was afraid of E.N.D but Acno of course denied it. We can debate about that but even if he isn't scared of E.N.D he tried to stop his ressurection so he sees him as a real threat.
I hope Laxus doesn't have to fight Acnologia soon because both of them are my favourite characters in Ft and unfortunately Laxus is too weak in his actual condition ( heart issues) to stand a chance. He would probably die if someone didn't save him!!!
In my oppinion Serena was the strongest DS at the moment (excluding Acno cause he is just too op xD) and he was one-shotted and defeated ( perhaps killed) in an instant.
I guess that Fairy heart will be used probably to take down Acnologia!

 

[reesestl]

This topic of Acnologia hunting dragon slayer or not has actually been floating around this forum. But I personally think it's clear enough to draw conclusion that Acno is hunting 7 DS. Because he said "7 left" after killing Serena and after Serena showed his DS magic. What other number fits seven?

Pretty much what was said in the earlier post,

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plus one thing.
Is it possible that Acno is waiting for the DSs to become stronger before killing them, because at their current level its too beneath him to target them individually. When Zeref talks about Acno in Tenrou Arc, its clear that he is too vain, how he doesn't respond to the FT mages because nobody converses with vermin or How Gildart said that he is not even using the strength he used in their fight. SO only someone at Serena's level can he consider killingworthy!!

 

[Kiki]

Why I said this topic has been floating around this forum because some people have discussed about it before you two join. In a thread of chapter 470 discussion/471 predictions more precisely.

Here I quote my own reply in that thread. This is just my analysis tho. Pure guess. You are very welcomed to give opinion ^^

I support "Those 7 are 7 remaining dragon slayers" prediction. Some of you may say "Why now?". Well, If I were Acnologia, I would prepare myself. I wouldn't let myself banged by 5 dragons.

Try to check this:

1. First arc that shows first huge clash between ethernano is Tenroujima arc. Hence, Acnologia made his appearance in the Sirius Island because he might be afraid of something which threatens himself, threatens his title as "Dragon King", the strongest title in Earth Land. He sensed huge ethernano clash in that island. There were 4 dragon slayers assembling (Natsu, Gajeel, Wendy, and Laxus), Zeref the Legendary Black Mage, Precht Gaebolg and his kids, Seven Kin of Purgatory. Because this is the first time Acnologia made his appearance, he might be inexperienced. He didn't expect that there were 3 dragons lying inside 3 dragon slayers. Moreover, after he eventually blew the island, he didn't know that Fairy Sphere protected main FT members.
2. Second, back to GMG arc, second huge ethernano clash, why didn't Acnologia appear? He might have sensed it. But, well, there were 7 dragons from the past plus 7 dragon slayers. If I were him, I wouldn't be careless to show myself. It's obvious.
3. Third huge ethernano clash is Tartaros arc. Acnologia made his appearance to defeat all enemies, but still, he didn't expect that 5 dragons stepped ouside to prevent his move.
4. The last clash is Alvarez arc. Acnologia already knew those 5 dragons were gone, so he won't miss the chance to defeat those 7 dragon slayers, to get his title back, to become perfect dragon, to come out as the strongest in Earth Land.

However, this fully depends on Hiro Mashima. I may be wrong. I am here just to predict

 

[Static]

We do not know anything about Acnologias true intentions but what we know about him, is that he is/was waiting for something important to occur!!! In Future Rogue's timeline he was ruling the world after something happened.
I personally think that he has decided to kill the DS recentely because he obviously hates dragons ( DS can be refered as dragons too like acno did with Serena) and also all DS are now in one country so he doesn't have to endeavor to look for them as it used to be in previous arcs. If his objective rly was to slay the DS, he would have probably showed up more times and he would have tried to assassinate them at the very latest in Tataros Arc where he knew for sure that the DS of Tenrou had survived.
Acnologia also only appeared when there was somebody who he had seen as a possible threat to him like in Tenrou Arc Zeref or in Tataros Arc E.N.D !
Mard Geer and Igneel both thought that Acno was afraid of E.N.D but Acno of course denied it. We can debate about that but even if he isn't scared of E.N.D he tried to stop his ressurection so he sees him as a real threat.
I hope Laxus doesn't have to fight Acnologia soon because both of them are my favourite characters in Ft and unfortunately Laxus is too weak in his actual condition ( heart issues) to stand a chance. He would probably die if someone didn't save him!!!
In my oppinion Serena was the strongest DS at the moment (excluding Acno cause he is just too op xD) and he was one-shotted and defeated ( perhaps killed) in an instant.
I guess that Fairy heart will be used probably to take down Acnologia!

We don't even know if he was actually trying to stop the revival of END. It could be he was just there to kill all the DS then Igneel popped up and gave him a heartwarming challenge after decades or possibly centuries.

As for why he didn't come at GMG when all the DS had gathered, I have a theory for that. In both arcs, Tenrou Island and Tartaros, Natsu's scarf had flown away and in GMG it hadn't IIRC. It could be that Natsu's scarf had a special property that prevents Acnologia from sensing them, the DS, but only when he wears it. In Tenrou and Tartaros, Acnologia came because he caught scent of the DS in the brief moment that Natsu's scarf had flown away but it never did in GMG.

 

[Axiomus]

Crunchyroll's translations has Acnologia saying this:

Only seven more now. I will wipe all traces of the dragons from this world!

To me that sounds like he's going after the 7 Dragon Slayers, because they are the last traces of the dragons left.

 

[reesestl]

Why I said this topic has been floating around this forum because some people have discussed about it before you two join. In a thread of chapter 470 discussion/471 predictions more precisely.

Here I quote my own reply in that thread. This is just my analysis tho. Pure guess. You are very welcomed to give opinion ^^

I think the 7 implied 7 DS, that is a foregone conclusion by now. I want to rerad the parts related to Acno, but from what I remember, in Tenrou arc, doesn't Zeref explicitly say that it was his awakening which summoned Acno?

 

[Static]

I think the 7 implied 7 DS, that is a foregone conclusion by now. I want to rerad the parts related to Acno, but from what I remember, in Tenrou arc, doesn't Zeref explicitly say that it was his awakening which summoned Acno?

Why would Acnologia go after FT (more specifically the DS) and not Zeref then?

 

[Verter]

We don't know what Mashima hides ofc, but theory about 7 DS has got a lot of weak point.
Sadly, ppl here keep just ignoring it w.o. try even logically explain their points of view.

Well, for example. Weak point # 1.

- There's future Rogue timeline - GMG + 7 years (current manga + 6 years).
FT Rogue said Acno rules over world. Ok. But F.Rogue is two elements DS himself (white-shadow) + he's able to use dragon manipulating magic.
So, I've two remarks:
1. Where he got dragon manipulation magic ? By another dragon /dragon slayer ?
2. How he knew principles of usage this magic ? (he said how m, dragons he is able to control at same time and about that magic doesn't work on Acno). Where he got that experience ?
3rd but main - Why Acno didn't kill FT ? It was so impossible for Acno ? xD

One more note. FT Rogue called alltime Acno as Acno, but when he said "Natsu was killed by dragon", he used word "dragon". It's pretty clear with phraseology that "dragon" wasn't Acno.

 

[Kiki]

I think the 7 implied 7 DS, that is a foregone conclusion by now. I want to rerad the parts related to Acno, but from what I remember, in Tenrou arc, doesn't Zeref explicitly say that it was his awakening which summoned Acno?

I have re-read the Sirius Island arc chapters at a glance and I don't find Zeref's lines about what you meant. When he was on GH's airship he said it's GH who summoned Acno and he also said that he never slept to begin with, so there was no his awakening at all.

Also, I have one simple question. Did the official translation, Crunchyroll, ever make a mistake, such as a wrong "Story thus far"? Isn't Crunchyroll official translation? Even if some people said "Story thus far" is not from Mashima (from the editor or such), will there likely be an erratum because they have made a mistake and they explain their writing via the erratum?

 

[reesestl]

I have re-read the Sirius Island arc chapters at a glance and I don't find Zeref's lines about what you meant. When he was on GH's airship he said it's GH who summoned Acno and he also said that he never slept to begin with, so there was no his awakening at all.

Also, I have one simple question. Did the official translation, Crunchyroll, ever make a mistake, such as a wrong "Story thus far"? Isn't Crunchyroll official translation? Even if some people said "Story thus far" is not from Mashima (from the editor or such), will there likely be an erratum because they have made a mistake and they explain their writing via the erratum?

He was never asleep, but he had kept his powers restrained so as not to hurt humans which he was forced to remove by Ultear and Zancrow.

about Crunchyroll, I dont know but my opinion is there is no reason to believe in it specially. See, the only source is Manga, so if it is saying more than the manga that means its guessing. Its not like they have exclusive conversations with he author.

 

[Axiomus]

Crunchyroll is the manga. Crunchyroll is the official kodansha translations. Okay, technically the raws are the most reliable sources of information. However unless someone here can read the raws (I can only recognize certain kanji), the most reliable way of interpreting the raws is to ask a translator. TheFairyTales on tumblr is so far the most prominent translator, and she supports crunchyroll's translations over mangapanda and mangasteam's because they tend to have less translation errors.

We don't know what Mashima hides ofc, but theory about 7 DS has got a lot of weak point.
Sadly, ppl here keep just ignoring it w.o. try even logically explain their points of view.

Well, for example. Weak point # 1.

- There's future Rogue timeline - GMG + 7 years (current manga + 6 years).
FT Rogue said Acno rules over world. Ok. But F.Rogue is two elements DS himself (white-shadow) + he's able to use dragon manipulating magic.
So, I've two remarks:
1. Where he got dragon manipulation magic ? By another dragon /dragon slayer ?
2. How he knew principles of usage this magic ? (he said how m, dragons he is able to control at same time and about that magic doesn't work on Acno). Where he got that experience ?
3rd but main - Why Acno didn't kill FT ? It was so impossible for Acno ? xD

Acnologia said that there are only 7 left until he wipes all traces of the dragons from this world. He says this immediately after he kills off God Serena after saying that he smelled a dragon. It's pretty strong evidence that he's gunning for the Dragon Slayers because they're the last traces of the dragons. It's possible that some other dragon exists, though they would most certainly be hiding and unlikely to be relevant to Acnologia. The movie seems to imply that there are some unknown dragons might show up. Not enough information is known about those, and they could be artificially created ones or something. As far as the manga goes I really don't think we're going to be seeing any new dragons or dragon slayers pop up. One thing is clear: Regardless of whether or not there are more dragons/dragon slayers other than the 7DS, Acnologia believes that the 7 dragon slayers are all that's left and he's hunting them.

Rogue said he invented Dragon Supremacy magic himself, and I don't see why we should doubt him. Being the creator, he probably has some confidence in it. He believed it would work against dragons, but it failed to work against Acnologia so he went back in time to find some. If there were dragons in Rogue's future, then there is no reason to go back in time in the first place.

What do you mean Acnologia didn't kill FT? In Rogue's future? He did. Or at least, he stomped all his opposition. Rogue mentioned that he comes from a future in which 90% of the human population was gone. Now it's conceivable that some people survived, but it's likely that they survived because Acnologia didn't care enough to personally hunt them down. That probably explains why Rogue survived.

One more note. FT Rogue called alltime Acno as Acno, but when he said "Natsu was killed by dragon", he used word "dragon". It's pretty clear with phraseology that "dragon" wasn't Acno.

But that was before Rogue admitted that he was lying about the dragons coming, and then specifically said that Acnologia was the lone ruler of the world. As far as Rogue knows, Acnologia is a dragon so when he says that Natsu is killed by a dragon that isn't entirely inaccurate either.

 

[Kiki]

about Crunchyroll, I dont know but my opinion is there is no reason to believe in it specially. See, the only source is Manga, so if it is saying more than the manga that means its guessing. Its not like they have exclusive conversations with he author.

Not only "Story thus far", but also the manga itself. As Axiomus said, Crunchyroll translated Acno's line as the number "7" he meant is the remaining dragon slayers. So if the near future chapters it turns out to be not the remaining dragon slayers (the same goes for Serena's status), they have to insert an erratum because they have made a grave mistake.

 

[reesestl]

Why would Acnologia go after FT (more specifically the DS) and not Zeref then?

I have re-read the Sirius Island arc chapters at a glance and I don't find Zeref's lines about what you meant. When he was on GH's airship he said it's GH who summoned Acno and he also said that he never slept to begin with, so there was no his awakening at all.

Also, I have one simple question. Did the official translation, Crunchyroll, ever make a mistake, such as a wrong "Story thus far"? Isn't Crunchyroll official translation? Even if some people said "Story thus far" is not from Mashima (from the editor or such), will there likely be an erratum because they have made a mistake and they explain their writing via the erratum?

this is from chapter 250. Zeref says to Hades,

"5(2b): Yes...that's why I can't use magic as much as I should be able to.
6: If I forget about the weight of life, however, that's a different story.
7: You're the ones who pulled the trigger.
8(2b): Acnologia heralds the ends of eras. It was summoned by your evil ambitions."

https://mangahelpers.com/t/molokidan/releases/32187

HOw do you interpret this?

 

[Axiomus]

Hades actions on Tenrou caught Acnologia's attention.

I think we're making the mistake of assuming Acnologia has some sort of consistent plan that he's following. It could very well be that Acnologia simply does whatever he wants as he sees fits. I don't really think Acnologia feels obligated to do anything, or that he wants to become more powerful. He's had 400 years to make his move if he wanted to rule the world, and it's certainly within his powers to do so. Yet he doesn't. To me that simply tells me that he isn't interested. The guy lives in a cave, and doesn't even own a pair of shoes shoes. To me Acnologia's behavior is as simple as seeing something he doesn't like and then trying to destroy it. There just happens to be a lot of stuff he doesn't like. Dragons are probably high on that list.

 

[reesestl]

Hades actions on Tenrou caught Acnologia's attention.

I think we're making the mistake of assuming Acnologia has some sort of consistent plan that he's following. It could very well be that Acnologia simply does whatever he wants as he sees fits. I don't really think Acnologia feels obligated to do anything, or that he wants to become more powerful. He's had 400 years to make his move if he wanted to rule the world, and it's certainly within his powers to do so. Yet he doesn't. To me that simply tells me that he isn't interested. The guy lives in a cave, and doesn't even own a pair of shoes shoes. To me Acnologia's behavior is as simple as seeing something he doesn't like and then trying to destroy it. There just happens to be a lot of stuff he doesn't like. Dragons are probably high on that list.

The guy made sure that dragons were eliminated from the world. Obviously he is not the carefree happy-go-lucky squatter in the street-corner.
Hasn't he expressly said that he will be the Dragon King. The way he kills Serena and then says "7 left" it shows a lot of intensity. And he was ruling the world in in the alternate future. that's why ROgue gathered the dragons, to defeat him.

 

[Verter]

Acnologia said that there are only 7 left until he wipes all traces of the dragons from this world

I don't know why they made that version (maybe Hiro said it himself), but original manga (raw) has it
アクノロギア「完全なる滅竜まであと7人」
And it's absolutely not a "7 left until he wipes all traces of the dragons from this world".

What do you mean Acnologia didn't kill FT? In Rogue's future? He did. Or at least, he stomped all his opposition.

Dead ppl don't travel in past time, lol. So didn't you that what kind of absurd for Acno allow one dragon (DS) be alive if he so hard want to slay 'em all ?
I don't even say about current time ? Wendy, Natsu - why they are alive? Acno so slowpoke ?