One Piece Mega Convo Thread

[Pro Ban Corps]

Why Sanji? Why not go on a ship and try to get to Nami by sensing her spirit? It wasn't just two choices, he had multiple choices. He could have passed through another mirror and end up on a safer island and try to get a ship. He had multiple ways of doing things rather than going back and trying to add to his haki repertoire that wouldn't help him against opponents who seem to be invulnerable.

You say this as if he can navigate lol... he needed to stall Katakuri Cos he’s a threat... KATAKURI needed to stop him. Is he’s a potential fight. Tbh we can se flambe in the mirror world so there might be another way into and out of it.

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It's still better than showing that Vander Decken wanted to marry Shirahoshi when she was just a child, or at least falling in love with her.

oh yeah so this has kinda happened before

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Well here is the mad paranoid answer to everyone's concerns. Oda's mentor was the Mangaka for Rurouni Kenshin. Whom of which was arrested in 2002 for child prostitution, then also just recently arrested again for having child pornography on his computer. A lot of people are freaking out that Oda may be part of it and OP will go unfinished, but so far that is unfounded. That being said Luffy and Sanji aren't that old yet either, people are forgetting that part.

No one seemed to care that Hancock clearly an adult was having a rather large sexual desire for Luffy, a 16 year old at the time. But hey hey, sjw double standards.

well now you got me worried... Well letd be realistic the female gender always gets away with things like that... Except if the act was in a professional institution..there have been cases of female pedos having sexual contact with young kids, this is not as frowned upon as a male pedo touching a boy or a girl.

 

[Hrathgrath]

Reason being you can’t rape the willing...

 

[kcd]

You people realise that pudding is only one/two years older than Flambe, so is this now okay or does it change anything??
Not sure why Oda is going in this direction but one piece is starting to get dark... after the first two deaths, Oda lost his soul. Now he’s reaching on tough subjects... I for one I’m only concerned for the kids reading/watching anime

Well, for all we know, pudding could now be 20+ years, we don't know how many years it took for bigmom to give birth to another daughter after pudding, she may have been giving birth to boys for a few years before flambe came along.

Hancock wanting Luffy when he was just 17 WAS really messed up though. But there is a double standard for guys. Its like when you hear on the news how some high schooler had an affair with his teacher, the first thing most guys think is "Nice"

Its like the skit from South Park

But if Sanji was about to get married to a 14 year old, that would be messed up as well. Because you know, the vast majority of 14 year olds are not developed enough to enter marriage with anyone. It's perceived as worse for a girl because girls are perceived to be more innocent than boys. Thats why there was such outrage from people. You can't really defend Sanji+multiple other male characters lusting after a 14 year old girl. It was obvious it was just an error, because even the Japanese were outraged.

Ultimately it is really a stupid thing to get concerned about and is a good example of armchair activism but at the same time defending a "good" 21 year old character having borderline sexual relations with a 14 year old girl is just as cringe worthy. People should have just waited out for a response before getting too worked up about it.

Lmao, the video was hilarious, it pretty much summed up the reason why most people don't see things for what it is, LOL.

It's still better than showing that Vander Decken wanted to marry Shirahoshi when she was just a child, or at least falling in love with her.

Lol, how is it better?

Reason being you can’t rape the willing...

Not true bro, as long the person is underaged, even if they are willing or not, it's called statutory rape, such a person is legally incapable of consenting.
Only one out of a hundred teenage boys may say No if a female teacher seduced them.

You say this as if he can navigate lol... he needed to stall Katakuri Cos he’s a threat... KATAKURI needed to stop him. Is he’s a potential fight. Tbh we can se flambe in the mirror world so there might be another way into and out of it.

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oh yeah so this has kinda happened before

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well now you got me worried... Well letd be realistic the female gender always gets away with things like that... Except if the act was in a professional institution..there have been cases of female pedos having sexual contact with young kids, this is not as frowned upon as a male pedo touching a boy or a girl.

Yea, that's what got me thinking (how flambe and co got into the mirrow world), it could be that brulee is now free as luffy is clearly not holding unto her anymore.

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

One of the few times I get to say sanctimonious, an opportunity that can't go amiss! Turn a blind eye to 1 thing and accept another that can be considered just as crude.

1. 17 year old boy is getting hit on by a 29/30 year old woman, not even hit on, she's wanting to marry him. Maybe it's accepted because for guys, it's some sort of goal.
2. Vice versa, If this were a girl, the standards change, whole fandom in uproar. Do people really make a fuss if a 40 year old man marries a 18 year old? What if it was a 40 year old woman and 18 year old dude?

If people want to don this new found righteousness, at least be consistent and not only isolate it to one aspect.

Most anime chicks look like 12 year old girls, yet are represented very vulgarly. Just look at Sasuke's daughter from Boruto. No one complains about how suggestive that is.

1. Rebecca is only 16, and she looks like she's in her 20s with boobs that big and in her attire, she might as well be wearing nothing. Would anyone really allow their child to dress that way at such a young age? but it's okay in a Manga. No one says much about it, at least, there's no uproar. I'm pretty sure she looked the same way when she was 14 & 15 as she'd fought in the Colosseum many times. People wouldn't allow their kids to dress up like this at such ages, but in a Manga, it's accepted. However, when the union of an underage girl in a Manga is at stake, uproar, but in reality? Unimportant. People want to hide behind legalities? Well in Japan, sex is legal at the age of 13 and in the Philippines, 12.

Point being made is, most readers are selective about what is accepted and what isn't despite how wrong it may be morally. If readers really want to pretend to be so self-righteous, might as well stop reading One Piece and a lot of other Manga out there.

 

[llamapie]

You say this as if he can navigate lol... he needed to stall Katakuri Cos he’s a threat... KATAKURI needed to stop him. Is he’s a potential fight. Tbh we can se flambe in the mirror world so there might be another way into and out of it.

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oh yeah so this has kinda happened before

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well now you got me worried... Well letd be realistic the female gender always gets away with things like that... Except if the act was in a professional institution..there have been cases of female pedos having sexual contact with young kids, this is not as frowned upon as a male pedo touching a boy or a girl.

I remember being a 16 year old boy. My judgement was all in my pants to say the least. That being said if an attractive female teacher was willing to do anything like that with me, there is no way I would have been unwilling. This is a really touchy subject but men and women are biologically different for a reason.

 

[kkck]

You people realise that pudding is only one/two years older than Flambé, so is this now okay or does it change anything??
Not sure why Oda is going in this direction but one piece is starting to get dark... after the first two deaths, Oda lost his soul. Now he’s reaching on tough subjects... I for one I’m only concerned for the kids reading/watching anime

I would argue that even if pudding was only 17 years old it would still change things significantly. The implication of pudding being younger than flambe was basically that pudding was 14 or younger. At 14 or younger there simply is too much wrong with the entire situation. If pudding is 14 years old then she would barely be a teenager and even puberty would be kinda new to her. Then you have the somewhat strange scenario of a 14 year old being drawn like a grown ass woman. And a 7+ year difference with sanji is nothing to scoff at. If pudding is 17 then her appearance at least makes sense. And the whole thing significantly loses the "forcing children into marriage" smell to which sanji would not have objected to so far. At least biologically pudding can be called an adult at that stage. And a 4 year difference is not THAT big overall. And while by no means normal at countries like the US, a 21 year old and a 17 year old dating wouldn't be seen as that strange in plenty of places.

What are you talking about, OP has always had dark undertones. Nami was arlong's slave and later on we learned this was because arlong was getting back at humans over fishman slavery. Crocodile was willing to murder half a million people at alabasta. Gecko moria robbed hundreds and hundreds of graves. Hogback seemed to be kinda into necrophilia and absalom was kinda rapey. Kuro was trying to kill a little girl to get her inheritance. There is also the ohara genocide. The series has an actual genocide through buster call under it's belt. And it goes on and on and on.... OP has never really been less dark than it is now.

 

[M3J]

You say this as if he can navigate lol... he needed to stall Katakuri Cos he’s a threat... KATAKURI needed to stop him. Is he’s a potential fight. Tbh we can se flambe in the mirror world so there might be another way into and out of it.

No, I said he could do it using Color of Observation. Plus, that whole fate thing so Luffy would likely save the crew from fatal disaster.

That makes no sense when Katakuri was in the Mirror World, and Luffy had Brulee tied up and with him.

Lol, how is it better?

you don't think an adult wanting to marry a child is worse than a 21-22-year-old being forced to marry a 16-year old?

 

[BetaRuler]

When kkck summed up all those dark tones, it just made this marriage look cheerful and innocent by comparison XD

 

[Hannibal Psyche]

I would argue that even if pudding was only 17 years old it would still change things significantly. The implication of pudding being younger than flambe was basically that pudding was 14 or younger. At 14 or younger there simply is too much wrong with the entire situation. If pudding is 14 years old then she would barely be a teenager and even puberty would be kinda new to her. Then you have the somewhat strange scenario of a 14 year old being drawn like a grown ass woman. And a 7+ year difference with sanji is nothing to scoff at. If pudding is 17 then her appearance at least makes sense. And the whole thing significantly loses the "forcing children into marriage" smell to which sanji would not have objected to so far. At least biologically pudding can be called an adult at that stage. And a 4 year difference is not THAT big overall. And while by no means normal at countries like the US, a 21 year old and a 17 year old dating wouldn't be seen as that strange in plenty of places.

What are you talking about, OP has always had dark undertones. Nami was arlong's slave and later on we learned this was because arlong was getting back at humans over fishman slavery. Crocodile was willing to murder half a million people at alabasta. Gecko moria robbed hundreds and hundreds of graves. Hogback seemed to be kinda into necrophilia and absalom was kinda rapey. Kuro was trying to kill a little girl to get her inheritance. There is also the ohara genocide. The series has an actual genocide through buster call under it's belt. And it goes on and on and on.... OP has never really been less dark than it is now.

Pudding marrying as a young age isn't being highlighted as a dark-undertone, it can't be compared to slavery which has clearly been marked out as an evil immoral act.

The Manga explicitly highlights slavery as wrong, but Pudding marrying at her age has not once been brought up as an issue in the series otherwise, Pudding's age would have been mentioned earlier and there would have been some disgust at the thought by characters in the series.

Brook was even happy a girl like Pudding apparently loved Sanji and they were even ready to come to terms with the marriage which is why Brook also said, in the event Sanji decides to stay, at least they'll get a Poneglyph.

While OP has dark undertones, this isn't being pushed as one. So, you've taken it out of context, Oda isn't pushing Pudding's possible marriage at this young tender age as immoral or wrong. The things you mentioned bar the marriage were opposed:

1. Chopper was against the creation of Zombies and expressed it vehemently.
2. Rayleigh,King Neptune and even some Marine officers were not in support of the massacre at Ohara.
3. Arlong and his slavery was not supported and Jimbei was not in support.

But this marriage? No one cares about the age, as far as they're concerned, it's fine. I;d imaging PR give no shits about it, they only changed it because people here are going up in arms. I doubt Japan as a country are indifferent to it (and I will check later), could be a western thing.

 

[kcd]

you don't think an adult wanting to marry a child is worse than a 21-22-year-old being forced to marry a 16-year old?

What?, Nooo!
You're the one saying one is better than the other, you should've asked what I meant, then I would've replied - no one is better, they're both the same thing to me.

 

[M3J]

What?, Nooo!
You're the one saying one is better than the other, you should've asked what I meant, then I would've replied - no one is better, they're both the same thing to me.

I'm trying to say I have less issues with one than with the other, and to my recollection same people having an issue with Pudding and Sanji getting married never said anything about Vander Decken wanting to marry a child Shirahoshi.

 

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[Pro Ban Corps]

Well you pointed even more stuff which contributes to the BS situation we have here.
How does he heal during the fight? That has never been the case with Luffy. He is not Doffy who can heal/repair injuries thanks to his devil fruit. Rubber has no such abilities. Its ridiculous. As i said Oda has been resurrecting him every 2nd chapter but oh well.
Every time after the major battle he was out for few days recovering from injuries.
Tooth growing back is a gag.

Okay lemme get scientific... gear two accelerates his blood... blood carries proteins that initiate healing process... so that includes the inflammatory raspiness and lymphocyte and all that collagen bs... and what is luffys favourite meal?? Meat... usually high in protein... also things like this are exaggerated for Luffy since the start of the manga so there... although I’m chucking the looking battered and then not to drawing error. It still stands that being able to take damage for this long is essential if he need to be durable enough vs a younkou.... kaidous punch is probably x20 the power of katakuris block mochi... if he’s not able to withstand katakuris onslaught then he has no reason going to fight Kaidou... this is my point

 

[kcd]

Rubber has no such abilities. Its ridiculous. As i said Oda has been resurrecting him every 2nd chapter but oh well.
Every time after the major battle he was out for few days recovering from injuries.
Tooth growing back is a gag.

Lol, it's ridiculous because it's rubber, but it's not ridiculous when it's string, is string some sort of medicine that heals the body?, lol. But, that wasn't even the point anyway, the point was his healing process is a lot faster than normal, just the way his digestion process is, or is that a gag as well?, Human body heals on it's own, when one gets an injury, the body starts the healing process on it's own, now, when one's body system does things a bit faster than others, chances are they'll heal faster than others.

Every time after the major battle he was out for few days recovering from injuries.

You see, the problem is that you think or feel luffy should remain at the same level and shouldn't learn or become capable of certain feats, I'm afraid that's not gonna happen.
Yes, you are right, he sleeps for days at the end of every arc, and he probably would at the end of this arc, that may never change, but I don't get how that relates to anything I said, even if it takes days to recover, is it on the third day healing starts? Or the second day?, or the first?, how does that counter the fact he's healing?

He goes into every arc stronger than he was the arc before, in other words, he's surpassing himself, there's no way he'll remain at the same level of being unable to move after using gear4.
He's getting a lot of real experience and is becoming proficient in the use of haki, so how is it bs that he's getting better at using g4?.

 

[nik87]

@kcd You said he heals during the battle. How does he do that? When has he ever done that before?
It is ridiculous in case of rubber because it was never mentioned that his fruit has such healing ability and in case of string, it was specifically mentioned that it is fixing/healing its user. What is the confusion there?
Of course, his digestion is a gag as well.

 

[kcd]

@kcd You said he heals during the battle. How does he do that? When has he ever done that before?

No need repeating an answer, see below

Human body heals on it's own, when one gets an injury, the body starts the healing process on it's own, now, when one's body system does things a bit faster than others, chances are they'll heal faster than others.

If that isn't a good enough answer for you, just say so, don't act like I ignored your question.
He doesn't need to flip a switch for healing to start, his body does that on it's own, he eats for three every day and we all know how fast his body processes stuffs.

Of course, his digestion is a gag as well.

That's so rich, you get to decide what's a gag and what's not, won't be surprised either, if I heard it's also a gag he eats for three every day.

it was specifically mentioned that it is fixing/healing its user. What is the confusion there?
Of course, his digestion is a gag as well.

The confusion here is that you aren't reading my posts, see what I said below

But, that wasn't even the point anyway, the point was his healing process is a lot faster than normal, just the way his digestion process is, or is that a gag as well?, Human body heals on it's own, when one gets an injury, the body starts the healing process on it's own, now, when one's body system does things a bit faster than others, chances are they'll heal faster than others.


You see, the problem is that you think or feel luffy should remain at the same level and shouldn't learn or become capable of certain feats, I'm afraid that's not gonna happen.
Yes, you are right, he sleeps for days at the end of every arc, and he probably would at the end of this arc, that may never change, but I don't get how that relates to anything I said, even if it takes days to recover, is it on the third day healing starts? Or the second day?, or the first?, how does that counter the fact he's healing?

He goes into every arc stronger than he was the arc before, in other words, he's surpassing himself, there's no way he'll remain at the same level of being unable to move after using gear4.
He's getting a lot of real experience and is becoming proficient in the use of haki, so how is it bs that he's getting better at using g4?.

It's not my problem whether doffy heals with string or not, that wasn't my point, I never brought doffy in to this discussion, thought I made it obvious in my last post.
Though, when you brought it up, I found it strange that strings could heal, it can be used to stitch stuffs or body parts, but for it to be some sort of medicine is strange. But anyways, you are right.

 

[nik87]

@kcd You didnt understand a single thing so lets start over, slowly.

Please, dont lecture neither me nor anyone else how a human body heals. It an irrelevant thing. Even for Luffy who got that process sped up, its still irrelevant.
I repeated the question because you gave no answer or your answer didnt answer the question.
When has he ever healed during the fight to significant amount for it to matter, to recover him, to bring him from the dead basically instantly? I'll answer it for you - never.
His eating is a gag of course, sorry if you dont get that. Oda is a fan of Dragonball and guess what mc in DB does? He eats for 10 people. But hes no rubber. He cant expand his stomach like Luffy to make him look silly. So what is it if not a gag?

There is no confusion. String String was shown to have healing/repairing ability. Doffy's heart was shredder by Laws attack. It was shown that strings were repairing his insides.

I found it strange that strings could heal

Whats strange in there?
And yeah, i am right.

 

[roggie]

I'm not saying that I don't agree with your complain @nik87 but what if Luffy's surpassing his old self? The control over a DF gets better over time, can't it just be the case? At the beginning Luffy could just throw his feeble arms against his brother and look at him now.
Also, while Doffy's fruit allows him to produce strings, Luffy IS rubber. How does it change the inner process of his body? Does Luffy have bones? Probably. But would it matter if he broke an arm or a leg? I don't know.
And it wouldn't be the first time something is showed and explained later.

 

[kcd]

@kcd You didnt understand a single thing so lets start over, slowly.

It's alright, we learn everyday.

Please, dont lecture neither me nor anyone else how a human body heals. It an irrelevant thing. Even for Luffy who got that process sped up, its still irrelevant.

Apologies if I insulted your intelligence, it was the only way I could explain it so it would make sense.

 

[nik87]

And it wouldn't be the first time something is showed and explained later.

Fair enough, if it gets explained that he somehow can heal during the fight ok but i dont get how gomu gomu no mi is doing that, it never had such feat.
Doffy's body is made of strings and he can produce strings and thats what allows him to repair himself. Luffy is rubber yeah but he cant produce rubber.
The main issue is that Luffy is exhausted since over a day already, ate biscuits and mochi (not meat), is heavily beaten, is stabbed by trident, is pierced by needle, collapsed and a moment after that hes fighting as if it was round 1.
I dont mind him finishing the fight in gear 4th but it took too long for it to be plausible. If he used it much earlier when he didnt take this much damage, after running away and coming back it would be sold to us without objection. He didnt need to improve CoO, hes not using it in these final moments anyway.
In one moment he cant stand anymore and in the next hes fighting in gear 4th... For me its BS.