One Piece Power Level Discussion Thread

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1. Shanks v Mihawk
2. Hand to hand fighters > Swordsmen
3. Zoro > Luffy
4. Zoro v Sanji
5. Is Smoker a top 30 character?
6. Mihawk's rank within the story
7. Law having CoC currently.
8. Katakuri > Kaido/Luffy/Etc.

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[Fox666]

Not true. Luffy was able to see the same future and react to it when they fought.

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So it's clear that even if he follows the same steps, his future sight can be thwarted by someone else.

Someone else who can also see the future?

 

[thedude]

Someone else who can also see the future?

Possibly. Doesn't have to be all the time (in that moment it was the first time Luffy had done so). So Sanji could have done it in that moment, but that doesn't mean he has perfected it or will use it regularly. But he did use it, after Katakuri saw that Sanji would dodge the priests bullet. So he saw that future, Sanji dodging the Priest, and went to shoot him where he'd dodge. But Sanji dodged his bullet instead.

 

[Shasha23]

How exactly am I downplaying Sanji if I said Katakuri has not seen a future where he kills Sanji? Also I was the one who brought up Sanji dodging the bullet to begin with, as a clear example of CoO.

I'm just analyzing how Katakuri ability works. AFAIK only Katakuri who can see the future can influence it (which Capone even used to his advantage). Had he seen a future which he kills Sanji, that would have happened if he followed the same steps.

Did we all not see him look into the future and see Sanj dodge the priest?
Did we all not see him attack where people dodge?
Sanji is skilled enough in CoO to dodge Katakuri's attack, why are you trying now saying Katakuri changed the way he attacks just for Sanji, NO man.

"only Katakuri who can see the future can influence it " Capone said even if we cant see the future anybody can still influence and change it!
I think you are confused about how Katakuri's CoO woks and how he attacked people, go reread WCI, you will see that what your saying is completely false.

 

[Fox666]

Possibly. Doesn't have to be all the time (in that moment it was the first time Luffy had done so). So Sanji could have done it in that moment, but that doesn't mean he has perfected it or will use it regularly. But he did use it, after Katakuri saw that Sanji would dodge the priests bullet. So he saw that future, Sanji dodging the Priest, and went to shoot him where he'd dodge. But Sanji dodged his bullet instead.

I don't see why assume Sanji could see the future.

IMHO it's simpler to assume that Katakuri only saw the priest failing to kill Sanji, and he tried something else, and that failed too.

"only Katakuri who can see the future can influence it " Capone said even if we cant see the future anybody can still influence and change it!
I think you are confused about how Katakuri's CoO woks and how he attacked people, go reread WCI, you will see that what your saying is completely false.

Allow me reword it: Capone said anyone has the same privilege to change the future. But normally people don't know how they are changing the future.

Capone was paying attention to Katakuri, and acted according to Katakuri's movement:

 

[nik87]

The reason why Sanji's feat of dodging Katakuri's bean is not impressive is this:
It is one thing to deal with Katakuri and deal with Katakuri's intervention on top of it.
Sanji isnt dealing with anything except Katakuri's intervention atop of nothing.

Sanji's feat would be no different if anyone from the crowd shot a bullet at him in the same moment when Katakuri threw the bean.
The only difference would be Katakuri knowing Sanji would dodge the priest while fodder who shot the bullet wouldnt know that...

 

[Shasha23]

I don't see why assume Sanji could see the future.

IMHO it's simpler to assume that Katakuri only saw the priest failing to kill Sanji, and he tried something else, and that failed too.

But Katakuri does not do that!

Allow me reword it: Capone said anyone has the same privilege to change the future. But normally people don't know how they are changing the future.

Capone was paying attention to Katakuri, and acted according to Katakuri's movement:

You are just rewording what i said!

Which contradicts the statement you said 40mins ago : only Katakuri who can see the future can influence it

 

[MOYcano 0.23]

I voted from Jimbei based on what we already saw; but eventually Zoro might prove to be stronger.

 

[thedude]

I don't think Katakuri is shocked by regular CoO. Sanji did shock him. Why? Because Katakuri's vision had Sanji dodging the priest. Katakuri then intervened, and Sanji still dodged him. That shocked Katakuri. It happened. We shouldn't twist ourselves into pretzels to try to downplay it.

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The reason why Sanji's feat of dodging Katakuri's bean is not impressive is this:

It wasn't Zoro.

Edited for clarity...

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It would be funny if there was any hint in the manga that Mihawk even bested Shanks...

Shanks one fighting injury comes from fellow Yonko Blackbeard. Was Mihawk not going all out either? Do you even realize what your own picture implies??? lol

 

[M3J]

What other moments do you think he had to showcase his use of FS? He did the moment he got on the shores of Wano, did it one or two more times beforr Udon IIRC.

When the situation called for it. He used it. Quite casually in Udon as well.

He did? I don't remember, since Luffy is strong enough to deal with the enemy or enemies that he encountered.

Just a bit surprised as Luffy doesn't like to know about the future or anything that could hurt his adventure.

I dont think he failed. He acted upon the future he saw, every time he acted upon it he changed it.
FS aside, Luffy hasnt shown better CoO than Zoro either. We can do this all day, plenty of moments to support it.

Well, that's why I said he failed - he kept acting upon the future and thus, changing it to his detriment, like telling Luffy his G4 will run out, which allows Luffy to release it before running completely out of haki. I wonder if he could have gotten Sanji if he let the priest fail first.

Isn't that what I just said? None of the trio apart from Future Sight has shown anything impressive or superior over the others, other than Usopp.

 

[HereNThere]

I never actually made my opinion known.

Jinboree is most assuredly the 2nd strongest with his current feats.

Zordon hasn't shown us any new feats with Enma to make a fair assessment. Post Wano, I would assume he'll take his place as #2 Strawhat again.

 

[Pirate Queen]

I never actually made my opinion known.

Jinboree is most assuredly the 2nd strongest with his current feats.

Zordon hasn't shown us any new feats with Enma to make a fair assessment. Post Wano, I would assume he'll take his place as #2 Strawhat again.

Seriously the ONLY right answer

 

[nik87]

Seriously the ONLY right answer

Hello Odachi.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Hello anyone with a brain.

Fixed it for ya

 

[nik87]

Fixed it for ya

Anyone with a brain knows that Luffy is 2nd strongest because Zoro is nr1. Fite me.

 

[Luke Beifong]

Anyone with a brain knows that Luffy is 2nd strongest because Zoro is nr1. Fite me.

Nik, you are a pretty funny guy you know? Seriously, I laughed hard when I read this, thanks man, today my day sucks. I was needing to laugh like this. I know it’s your opinion, but I can’t agree with you.

The only proof that I remember now is that Zoro never beats anyone stronger than an opponent that Luffy beats. Crocodile, Enel, Moria, Lucci, Hodi, Doffly, are all stronger than Mr 1, Own, Ryuma (death and with Brook shadow), Kaku, don’t even know the name of that octopus and Pica.

 

[nik87]

Nik, you are a pretty funny guy you know? Seriously, I laughed hard when I read this, thanks man, today my day sucks. I was needing to laugh like this. I know it’s your opinion, but I can’t agree with you.

The only proof that I remember now is that Zoro never beats anyone stronger than an opponent that Luffy beats. Crocodile, Enel, Moria, Lucci, Hodi, Doffly, are all stronger than Mr 1, Own, Ryuma (death and with Brook shadow), Kaku, don’t even know the name of that octopus and Pica.

I am glad I made you laugh at least despite us disagreeing on that matter.
Also, if mods wouldnt edit my posts because they disagree would be appreciated.

 

[albertwv]

Do any of you think that Pre TS Supernovas could defeat CP 9 or even Moria like the Straw Hats did?

 

[Fox666]

Do any of you think that Pre TS Supernovas could defeat CP 9 or even Moria like the Straw Hats did?

Yes.

Except for Capone, and maybe Bonney.

 

[M3J]

Probably not Kidd, unless he's in a situation with advantageous metals.

 

[thedude]

Do any of you think that Pre TS Supernovas could defeat CP 9 or even Moria like the Straw Hats did?

Law would have had a much easier time than Luffy did. His DF would just chop everyone up. Kid would too. Just because I think Kid, Law and Luffy are the same level, so they'd each have done it, with maybe the same difficulty (except Law, he'd do it easy).