Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Sachsenhesse]

Not the one to screw the party... but we dont know if he truly defeated Page1 or how long the fight continued.

Or did we see a beaten Page1 yet?

 

[nik87]

I bet Sanji only knocked him out when he landed on him out of the sky.
They will clash again and P1 might end up as Sanji's final opponent of the arc, at least in 1vs1's.

 

[Deleted member 169696]

I bet Sanji only knocked him out when he landed on him out of the sky.
They will clash again and P1 might end up as Sanji's final opponent of the arc, at least in 1vs1's.

Dude, please! Why are you so biased against Sanji? From a narrative standpoint it is obvious Sanji defeated Page One. Reread what Sanji himself said about his duty to defeat the guy without getting hurt. It was heavily implied from the beginning, that the fight won't be a huge challenge for Sanji.

Franky even asked Law in chapter 930: "what about hiding our faces and then fighting?" and Law replied: "if you're 100% sure you can win! A single wound could reduce our strength at the final battle..."

And then Sanji even says ever so boldly "I won't let myself get hurt. I can deal with an idiot like this before you know it. Increasing our strength is a good idea, but reducing theirs ain't bad either."

What I can grasp from this is that a). Sanji didn't let himself get hurt (wounded to be more precise) and b). The fight ended rather quickly.

If neither of the two is true then Sanji is no prince anymore .

 

[King Moe]

Not the one to screw the party... but we dont know if he truly defeated Page1 or how long the fight continued.

Or did we see a beaten Page1 yet?

Like Pea said, it all goes with what was said by Law and Sanji, has no reason why he be active and not defeated? Cause if he was active, he would continue harassing others and still being on a rampage looking for Sanji. So no logic whatsoever to say Page One is active and about. The context is said in the chapters. We see Sanji not hurt, catch up quickly, and nothing was spread about his identity. So that means he truly beat Page One. Off-screen doesn't mean the events didn't happen as we know Oda does this before in the series. So nothing to truly denied it on about it.

 

[nik87]

Dude, please! Why are you so biased against Sanji? From a narrative standpoint it is obvious Sanji defeated Page One. Reread what Sanji himself said about his duty to defeat the guy without getting hurt. It was heavily implied from the beginning, that the fight won't be a huge challenge for Sanji.

Franky even asked Law in chapter 930: "what about hiding our faces and then fighting?" and Law replied: "if you're 100% sure you can win! A single wound could reduce our strength at the final battle..."

And then Sanji even says ever so boldly "I won't let myself get hurt. I can deal with an idiot like this before you know it. Increasing our strength is a good idea, but reducing theirs ain't bad either."

What I can grasp from this is that a). Sanji didn't let himself get hurt (wounded to be more precise) and b). The fight ended rather quickly.

If neither of the two is true then Sanji is no prince anymore .

Surely, he could have beaten him up properly, it's a possibility.
However, I am still going by the feeling that my gut tells me and considering that Page1's strength was legit I highly doubt that Sanji defeated him without a single injury. He could have just knocked him out in that last hit that we didnt see. If he did, I doubt he would beat up an unconscious guy.
Considering the high altitude and that Page1 wasnt aware of being attacked and that Sanji most likely hit him on his head, my bet is he simply knocked him out. It also makes no sense that Oda wastes an ancient zoan fruit with few pages within 2-3 chapters.
I think I'm gonna start calling the cook a featless Sanji, gotta bash him a bit.

 

[King Moe]

Surely, he could have beaten him up properly, it's a possibility.
However, I am still going by the feeling that my gut tells me and considering that Page1's strength was legit I highly doubt that Sanji defeated him without a single injury. He could have just knocked him out in that last hit that we didnt see. If he did, I doubt he would beat up an unconscious guy.
Considering the high altitude and that Page1 wasnt aware of being attacked and that Sanji most likely hit him on his head, my bet is he simply knocked him out. It also makes no sense that Oda wastes an ancient zoan fruit with few pages within 2-3 chapters.
I think I'm gonna start calling the cook a featless Sanji, gotta bash him a bit.

More like your upset that Sanji beat someone that's higher-up and has better performance than a 'certain character' you want to succeed. Again fight a fight. No cheap shots are known in fights. Page One is down and zero evidence on why he still be active. Like Pea said, Sanji met all the conditions. Not hurt, prevent his identity known, and defeated him. It been said in context and heavily implied this chapter.

Page One is down for good. Idk about making a return as look at Cracker, a powerful YC, but didn't return when he was defeated in WCI arc. So doubt Page One will return and be final opponent after Sanji defeated him easily. YC lvl are his future opponents now .

 

[nik87]

More like your upset that Sanji beat someone that's higher-up and has better performance than a 'certain character' you want to succeed. Again fight a fight. No cheap shots are known in fights. Page One is down and zero evidence on why he still be active. Like Pea said, Sanji met all the conditions. Not hurt, prevent his identity known, and defeated him. It been said in context and heavily implied this chapter.

Page One is down for good. Idk about making a return as look at Cracker, a powerful YC, but didn't return when he was defeated in WCI arc. So doubt Page One will return and be final opponent after Sanji defeated him easily. YC lvl are his future opponents now .

All shiny and mighty in favor of featless Sanji...
Now only if you are able to provide any facts about how he won and what moves he used would be great instead of praising Sanji without any feats.
Oh, you can deny it but cheap shots will follow him forever.

 

[King Moe]

All shiny and mighty in favor of featless Sanji...
Now only if you are able to provide any facts about how he won and what moves he used would be great instead of praising Sanji without any feats.
Oh, you can deny it but cheap shots will follow him forever.

Nah, just your biased nature that is featless as you can't give dues. Sanji prove himself, so denying it makes you look more poor in arguing about it. Pretty sure not much as he doesn't have scratch on him and isn't visibly tired, so it was with ease. Sad though you rather deny this, but seeing who you 'follow', not surprise. Good luck on the backlash from other places if your bring this argument up and can't be unbiased .

Whatever you said man, that means a certain 'swordsman' is featless a whole lot then. Good on ya .

 

[nik87]

Nah, just your biased nature that is featless as you can't give dues. Sanji prove himself, so denying it makes you look more poor in arguing about it. Pretty sure not much as he doesn't have scratch on him and isn't visibly tired, so it was with ease. Sad though you rather deny this, but seeing who you 'follow', not surprise. Good luck on the backlash from other places if your bring this argument up and can't be unbiased .

Whatever you said man, that means a certain 'swordsman' is featless a whole lot then. Good on ya .

I am not scared of a backlash Moe-kun.
Maybe it's my biased nature. I am sure you can tell me some facts then. Which move did Sanji use to injure P1 seriously? Which move did Sanji use to finish off Page1? What are you praising him for, off-panel unknown things?

 

[King Moe]

I am not scared of a backlash Moe-kun.
Maybe it's my biased nature. I am sure you can tell me some facts then. Which move did Sanji use to injure P1 seriously? Which move did Sanji use to finish off Page1? What are you praising him for, off-panel unknown things?

You mean the moves that cause Page One to scream back to back? Hard to say as I mean they were unnamed moves, so can't tell ya, but didn't look like Page One would last if he can't even handle unnamed attacks .

Oda does off-panel for a living at times. So your saying Kidd is featless since his stuff are off-paneled and he is weak due to not having them on screen despite it's clear Oda is making him a legit rival? We can say the same thing about a lot of characetrs in the series, so saying "It was off-screen so it didn't happened or we don't know' is featless is the most poor excuse from you lol. Guess now we be targeting a certain 'swordsman' on his 'feats' past, present, and future .

Be prepared for the standards you put now.

 

[nik87]

You mean the moves that cause Page One to scream back to back?

You mean those moves that didnt even leave a bruise or didnt even make him bleed or those moves which left him looking fresh?
Those moves injured P1 seriously and those moves finished him off?

So your saying Kidd is featless

Breaking news, Moe-kun! Kidd is featless, in case you didnt know.

Guess now we be targeting a certain 'swordsman' on his 'feats' past, present, and future .

You are welcome to point out one fight against a serious opponent which was off-panel for Zoro.

Be prepared for the standards you put now.

I am ready baby. It's not hard to beat featless cake baker.

 

[King Moe]

You mean those moves that didnt even leave a bruise or didnt even make him bleed or those moves which left him looking fresh?
Those moves injured P1 seriously and those moves finished him off?

Breaking news, Moe-kun! Kidd is featless, in case you didnt know.

You are welcome to point out one fight against a serious opponent which was off-panel for Zoro.


I am ready baby. It's not hard to beat featless cake baker.

Lol since when it's a mandatory to determine someone's hurt by bleeding and bruise alone? You feeling alright there? I know your upset getting more spotlight than your favorite character, but geez you come up with poor arguments lol.

Probably or use unnamed moves until he was knockout. Either way, proof with Sanji not getting a scratch or out of breath when he came to see the others, so your excuse on trying to enforce Page One did something is on very thin ice lol.

Not really, he does have feats. Oda writing him to be Luffy's rival, so sorry your in your own world on not wanting to see it.

Yakuza for one. Who did Zoro did to him? Were they really fodder or he was having trouble with them like the nail-biter as he is since he can't even dodge nails despite who trained him lol. There is also off-screen with the Baboons. Did he really beat them or just have them fight each other until they knock each of them out. Possibly since they aren't bright creatures. I can go back and get a lot of off-screen and 'cheap shots' moments on the character, so don't try it man.

Whatever you say. You must be real upset behind the screen if you going this lengths .

 

[nik87]

Lol since when it's a mandatory to determine someone's hurt by bleeding and bruise alone? You feeling alright there? I know your upset getting more spotlight than your favorite character, but geez you come up with poor arguments lol.

Since when is someone seriously injured without anything to show it? Are you feeling alright Moe-kun? This is new logic, appearing when it fits your weird arguments?

Probably or use unnamed moves until he was knockout. Either way, proof with Sanji not getting a scratch or out of breath when he came to see the others, so your excuse on trying to enforce Page One did something is on very thin ice lol.

Fact is, you dont know Moe-kun and you can spin it however you want but you dont know. Nobody is blind so you aint fooling anyone. Off-paneled featless "victory".

Not really, he does have feats. Oda writing him to be Luffy's rival, so sorry your in your own world on not wanting to see it.

Sure Moe-kun, let me hear your reasoning on Kidd's feats. What moves he got that are capable of defeating Yonko's commanders? In case you didnt know, portrayal isnt a feat.

Yakuza for one. Who did Zoro did to him? Were they really fodder or he was having trouble with them like the nail-biter as he is since he can't even dodge nails despite who trained him lol. There is also off-screen with the Baboons. Did he really beat them or just have them fight each other until they knock each of them out. Possibly since they aren't bright creatures. I can go back and get a lot of off-screen and 'cheap shots' moments on the character, so don't try it man.

Sorry Moe-kun, you gotta learn to read better. I said fight against serious opponent, Zoro beating up some Jakuza thugs and training with baboons isnt working well for you. But do not let me stop you, go ahead and search for those off-paneled fights against serious opponent.

Whatever you say. You must be real upset behind the screen if you going this lengths .

Actually, I am having a great time seeing you putting Sanji on a pedestal for millionth time without any feats. Keep it up.

 

[King Moe]

Since when is someone seriously injured without anything to show it? Are you feeling alright Moe-kun? This is new logic, appearing when it fits your weird arguments?


Fact is, you dont know Moe-kun and you can spin it however you want but you dont know. Nobody is blind so you aint fooling anyone. Off-paneled featless "victory".

Sure Moe-kun, let me hear your reasoning on Kidd's feats. What moves he got that are capable of defeating Yonko's commanders? In case you didnt know, portrayal isnt a feat.

Sorry Moe-kun, you gotta learn to read better. I said fight against serious opponent, Zoro beating up some Jakuza thugs and training with baboons isnt working well for you. But do not let me stop you, go ahead and search for those off-paneled fights against serious opponent.


Actually, I am having a great time seeing you putting Sanji on a pedestal for millionth time without any feats. Keep it up.

Well I guess we can take away Zoro having a chance on Hawkins from your side since didn't you mention him 'killing his lives' out when in the end he has no injury? Again your playing into your own hands man. I can tell your more upset looking how much emotion icons your trying out.

Whatever you want to sleep at night to tell yourself. Point is Page One is defeated and there no cheap shot in fights if your not fast enough to predict it, so deal it with yourself more. It's embarrassing your still trying to downplay this when we all know the results and where this is going for Oda with Sanji lol. Wish we know what he doing with Zoro, but sadly not much honestly

Yes it is if the author wants him to be and plus he said he damage YC, so you can denied again if you want, but end of the day Oda making him strong character and will help out in the arc a whole lot.

Did he though? We never seen him truly beat them. Just he said it by words and off-screen it by Oda. A lot can happen like you said, so that means something else could have take place and thus more featless if we don't see what he does. Again show me proof where it's clear them are out of it? If not, then your just a hypocrite about .

What pedestal? Never said anything about that. You feeling alright man? I hope what happened in the chapter isn't making you lose it? I mean Oda speak for himself on how the events will go, so if you have a problem with Oda's writing, you can only help yourself on dealing with it in the end. Now are we done here yet? I like to end this talk as the others will come see this and be on you again. I don't want mods to delete another round of our talk like this. So lets end things here now if you don't mind?

 

[nik87]

Well I guess we can take away Zoro having a chance on Hawkins from your side since didn't you mention him 'killing his lives' out when in the end he has no injury? Again your playing into your own hands man.

Lol Moe-kun, keep those arguments coming. Hawkins is injured when his life is minus-ed? He completely neutralizes any injury. Do you even see yourself, what kind of stuff you write?

I can tell your more upset looking how much emotion icons your trying out.

I guess you will have to enjoy my upset emoticons.

Whatever you want to sleep at night to tell yourself. Point is Page One is defeated and there no cheap shot in fights if your not fast enough to predict it, so deal it with yourself more. It's embarrassing your still trying to downplay this when we all know the results and where this is going for Oda with Sanji lol. Wish we know what he doing with Zoro, but sadly not much honestly

As I said, you can spin it however you want, you know absolutely nothing about how the fight went down but it's nice to see you try explaining it.
Keep telling yourself that there are no cheap shots while trying to justify Sanji's cheap-shot combat style.

Yes it is if the author wants him to be and plus he said he damage YC, so you can denied again if you want, but end of the day Oda making him strong character and will help out in the arc a whole lot.

Sorry Moe-kun, I have to break it down to you. Portrayal.is.not.a.feat. Did you get it now?

Did he though? We never seen him truly beat them. Just he said it by words and off-screen it by Oda. A lot can happen like you said, so that means something else could have take place and thus more featless if we don't see what he does. Again show me proof where it's clear them are out of it? If not, then your just a hypocrite about .

Like I said, it doesnt matter since thugs arent a serious opponent. Every single fight that Zoro had against serious opponent is not off-paneled. Nice try.

What pedestal? Never said anything about that. You feeling alright man? I hope what happened in the chapter isn't making you lose it? I mean Oda speak for himself on how the events will go, so if you have a problem with Oda's writing, you can only help yourself on dealing with it in the end. Now are we done here yet? I like to end this talk as the others will come see this and be on you again. I don't want mods to delete another round of our talk like this. So lets end things here now if you don't mind?

You dont know about Moe's pedestal? It's a special place reserved for Sanji.
If Oda keeps this up Sanji will be Pirate King and he will sit on the empty throne in no time, off-paneling all the way to the stars.

We are not done, mods can check my arguments and all they will find are facts, which cannot be said for yours.

 

[King Moe]

Lol Moe-kun, keep those arguments coming. Hawkins is injured when his life is minus-ed? He completely neutralizes any injury. Do you even see yourself, what kind of stuff you write?

I guess you will have to enjoy my upset emoticons.

As I said, you can spin it however you want, you know absolutely nothing about how the fight went down but it's nice to see you try explaining it.
Keep telling yourself that there are no cheap shots while trying to justify Sanji's cheap-shot combat style.

Sorry Moe-kun, I have to break it down to you. Portrayal.is.not.a.feat. Did you get it now?


Like I said, it doesnt matter since thugs arent a serious opponent. Every single fight that Zoro had against serious opponent is not off-paneled. Nice try.

You dont know about Moe's pedestal? It's a special place reserved for Sanji.
If Oda keeps this up Sanji will be Pirate King and he will sit on the empty throne in no time, off-paneling all the way to the stars.

We are not done, mods can check my arguments and all they will find are facts, which cannot be said for yours.

You were complaining months ago how Zoro killing off his lives despite no injury is a feat for him. Now we can put that to rest.

More like 'immature' emoticons .

Nah, fight is a fight. Sorry buddy, but Sanji beat him and his fault for not being fast enough in predict how he will strike. Good luck on trying to downplay it on other formats though. I am sure they would enjoy hearing from you lol.

By the author who wrote it, it is. That's like saying Gold Roger is featless since we never seen him yet in comeback or Shanks is featless as we haven't seen him in honest combat much for a full fight. Sorry, but your not winning the argument on "If never seen, it's featless and they are weak". Nice try on trying to so hard on forcing it .

Baboons are serious opponents since Zoro was having trouble keeping up with them. Which reminds me whatever happened to the Mihawk Baboon? Clearly he didn't defeat it in the right manner since he obvious got the Baboons to turn against it and make it cheap victory for him by numbers gain. So again we can't say for sure if Zoro defeated the creature.

Nah, I don't put him that far. Though he is quite deadly strong that's for sure.

Just like Zoro with his WSS dream. Which remind me when did he have a credible fight? Still fodders? Too bad. Lexus was right on his performance lately for sure.

Nah, yours were deleted along with mine, so again gonna stop here and stop posting. This will be the final post in our talk, so don't post back to me as the more you keep talking, the more trouble you get to you by others, just saying. Now this is it, so thanks for the talk .

 

[nik87]

You were complaining months ago how Zoro killing off his lives despite no injury is a feat for him. Now we can put that to rest.

It's a feat for Zoro yes, however, Hawkins is not injured. Yeah, I just put it to rest.

More like 'immature' emoticons .

Ah, that's why you only use "mature" emoticons.

Nah, fight is a fight. Sorry buddy, but Sanji beat him and his fault for not being fast enough in predict how he will strike. Good luck on trying to downplay it on other formats though. I am sure they would enjoy hearing from you lol.

Nothing to be sorry, we all know Sanji uses cheap shots. Nothing bad about it but also nothing worth praising either. We dont even know if he actually has beaten P1 at all, that's how much we know.

By the author who wrote it, it is. That's like saying Gold Roger is featless since we never seen him yet in comeback or Shanks is featless as we haven't seen him in honest combat much for a full fight. Sorry, but your not winning the argument on "If never seen, it's featless and they are weak". Nice try on trying to so hard on forcing it .

Yes, Moe-kun, if you still dont realize, Roger is featless as well but this seems news for you. Shanks as well. I have never mentioned weak or not, I am saying featless, dont confuse things, I know it's hard to understand but pay attention.

Baboons are serious opponents since Zoro was having trouble keeping up with them. Which reminds me whatever happened to the Mihawk Baboon? Clearly he didn't defeat it in the right manner since he obvious got the Baboons to turn against it and make it cheap victory for him by numbers gain. So again we can't say for sure if Zoro defeated the creature.

Any opponents that Zoro takes on in a bunch arent serious opponents. Mihawk baboon isnt even canon. Nice try Moe-kun.

Nah, I don't put him that far. Though he is quite deadly strong that's for sure.

Why not, if you are gonna overhype him at least do it right so it's obvious to everyone. Take notes from me how I do it with Zoro.
Yeah, very deadly. So deadly that he has been a pushover in New World, not winning against a single strong opponent, deadly indeed.

Just like Zoro with his WSS dream. Which remind me when did he have a credible fight? Still fodders? Too bad. Lexus was right on his performance lately for sure.

Correct, I agree with Lexus' argument if you didnt notice. How does it help your Sanji arguments tho?

Nah, yours were deleted along with mine, so again gonna stop here and stop posting. This will be the final post in our talk, so don't post back to me as the more you keep talking, the more trouble you get to you by others, just saying. Now this is it, so thanks for the talk .

Do I look like I am worried about "trouble"? Always a pleasure chatting with you Moe-kun. Without you it would be boring.

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He actually didn't here. We see Sanji with the others with no harm, showing that he succeeded somehow. If anything, this makes Sanji look great and reliable, at least in getting that sort of job done (he did get caught in the first place).

What I meant was, Oda keeps him featless in the New World. Aside from HM during FI, did we see anything new from Sanji?
Even here, gave him a strong opponent and decided to off-panel it. He could have ended Sanji mockery right there but all we saw were few things from raid suit.
I am guessing that wasnt the last of P1 that we saw and he will be a final opponent in this arc for at least someone else, if not Sanji.

 

[Pirate Queen]

Sanji's showing was actually overwhelmingly impressive, that he's back with the crew without any visible injuries insinuates he did indeed finish off P1 without issue: making Sanji the first character to defeat an Ancient Zoan User.

For those (and I am not pointing any fingers, promise) that need to be spoon feed an image of P1 beaten to a pulp to realize Sanji actually succeeded... That seems fair, I guess. It just seems like denial and a waste of energy to go out of your way to not acknowledge it.

We can all blame Oda for off paneling it tho. We shouldn't be getting made at eachother.

Both sides can make fair points:

1. There is no panel of P1 defeated
2. It's obvious without a panel that P1 was defeated

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Like Pea said, it all goes with what was said by Law and Sanji, has no reason why he be active and not defeated? Cause if he was active, he would continue harassing others and still being on a rampage looking for Sanji. So no logic whatsoever to say Page One is active and about. The context is said in the chapters. We see Sanji not hurt, catch up quickly, and nothing was spread about his identity. So that means he truly beat Page One. Off-screen doesn't mean the events didn't happen as we know Oda does this before in the series. So nothing to truly denied it on about it.

Just saying man. This can be a case of "enjoyed too soon", if Page1 appears somewhere without a bruise you are once again the laughingstock because you celebrated to early. Just wait for the explanation of the fightoutcome. Sanji realizing he couldnt deal enough damage to him and therefor fleeing is also a good possibility right now.

 

[King Moe]

Just saying man. This can be a case of "enjoyed too soon", if Page1 appears somewhere without a bruise you are once again the laughingstock because you celebrated to early. Just wait for the explanation of the fightoutcome. Sanji realizing he couldnt deal enough damage to him and therefor fleeing is also a good possibility right now.

How? What reason why he still be active and moving? Did you not read about situation? He can't afford him still conscious no matter what.

1. He still harass people in the area if he was around and Sanji is not the type to abandoned others after seeing them suffer from good side

2. Page One will go on a rampage looking from him and thus he be coming close to near their area if he didn't defeat him. Its not that far off.

3. He also informed who to look for to Drake and Hawkins on Sanji's identity too.

4. They Law and Sanji said in context it's best to dwindled their forces before he come back. I don't see him leaving a fight after saying that.

Nothing said Sanji left the fight and left him active as if he did, these events happened out if it. Sanji accomplished all he said out by not being hurt, hide identity, and defeating him. So its very much implied he defeated him as no reason why Page is still around. You got look at context more.

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Sanji's showing was actually overwhelmingly impressive, that he's back with the crew without any visible injuries insinuates he did indeed finish off P1 without issue: making Sanji the first character to defeat an Ancient Zoan User.

For those (and I am not pointing any fingers, promise) that need to be spoon feed an image of P1 beaten to a pulp to realize Sanji actually succeeded... That seems fair, I guess. It just seems like denial and a waste of energy to go out of your way to not acknowledge it.

We can all blame Oda for off paneling it tho. We shouldn't be getting made at eachother.

Both sides can make fair points:

1. There is no panel of P1 defeated
2. It's obvious without a panel that P1 was defeated

Oda off-paneled a lot of stuff at times. He off-paneled stuff at Reverie while Wano goes on. We can't always use the excuse that "It's off-paneled, so obvious didn't happen or still something else" cause it won't be like that. He said in context of Sanji's and Law's talk. No reason Page One would be active and Sanji to break the promise.