Discussion Sanji Discussion Thread

[Deleted member 169696]

There is still a difference between writing a good fight and ending him in the middle without real conclusion. Just a panel of a defeatet P1 would have added so much more, its ridiculous.

Can't know for sure, but I'm expecting that Oda will do just that in the next chapter (hopefully)...

 

[King Moe]

Now it is clear that Oda hates Sanji.

Practically together with Chopper he became the caricature of the crew, and his first serious fight in 300 chapters was not even seen completely.

Dude not you again. Stop with biased posts of Oda 'hates this character'. He does off-screen fights before as we were talking about. He did that so not show his full capabilities until later in the arc. Not the first. Oda mention before what he do if he hate a character, but this nothing like it and big feat for Sanji for defeating PO easily. Pick where you get the idea of "Oda hates Sanji" when you complain before him not defeating top lol guys and now he did and you complain because it's off-screen? Ice, gotta learn to not be biased and understand situation than your personal desires.

Sanji is quite helpful what he did and reasons why he in top tier of his group. Chopper even useful too as the only one not doing anything is just Zoro. If you counting not fighting or off-screen meaning he hate a character, then he must hate the hell of Zoro as his performance has not been stellar in this arc still.

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There is still a difference between writing a good fight and ending him in the middle without real conclusion. Just a panel of a defeatet P1 would have added so much more, its ridiculous.

Can also be shown later. Not all off-screen moments of the after occur in same chapter. We didn't find out about BB vs Ace until Impel Down Arc. We find out later in the arc since Drake and Hawkins are heading to the area. Though all signs points to PO not active at all.

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I wouldn't say he hates any of his characters, but with all these new characters that are popping up like crazy and all the plot lines he kinda drove himself into a corner as there is barely a good chance for him to write good fights without hindering the plot development drastically now...

I remember last time, he did more on-screen fights, it was Dressrosa and people complain pacing of them. So gotta pick a side which you want as you can't complain on one side then on another. Though I think he will work on both in this arc in better terms.

 

[afromarco005]

Thanks everyone for 40+ pages of discussion!

 

[Franz]

Dude not you again.

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He does off-screen fights before as we were talking about.

Tell me a case, go on.

He did that so not show his full capabilities until later in the arc.

This combative Sanji management makes no sense, like it or not, it's just illogical.

Even if Oda had chosen to upgrade him with the suit (which I personally will never accept), he must first show him impotent against an opponent too strong for him. Something similar in a sense similar to Zoro with Mihawk, who puts aside the pride after the facts of TB and Sabaody in which he realizes he has to become stronger and that alone will not succeed.

Instead so far showed the chef a little by the will, made him do good figures against weak people, fool against people too strong, fighting interrupted or conditioned by external events against others.

And now the suit that, even assuming it does not provide obvious power-ups, will pollute the impression that we will have of his successes (which at this point there will be, I hope).

Leaving aside that the suit is nothing short of ridiculous.

All of this, with the character we met up to Zou, has nothing to do with it.

He was Mr. Prince, the Hunter and the one who caught an El Thor to light his cigarette.

Not an imbecile with a onesie, who does dance moves.

 

[nik87]

Thanks everyone for 40+ pages of discussion!

Special thanks to Moe-kun because without him no argument would be possible.

 

[Franz]

Sanji is quite helpful what he did and reasons why he in top tier of his group.

If you like Sanji Germa 66 it's okay, but you can not deny it's a questionable choice of Oda, clearly made for fanservice.

It is also a patch that he himself put because he realized that, currently, Luffy and Zoro make the cook eat dust and that disparity is not credible.

The timeskip was not yesterday, Sanji had 8 years to show his improvements but they have not yet arrived.

Had he been managed like his colleagues Luffy and Zoro, we would not be here to argue.

And he would not even need to become Sailor Moon to defeat a subordinate

Chopper even useful too

Useful chopper? I hope you're joking ?

A doctor who can not cure intoxication and does not know that jellyfish should not be touched?

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Useful chopper? I hope you're joking ?

A doctor who can not cure intoxication and does not know that jellyfish should not be touched?

Well jeah... Oda seemed to forgotsome dreams from the SHs. Namis World Map wasnt really mentioned since how many chapters? All Blue was changed to invisibility it seems. Chopper doctor skills are outmatched by Law and other Devil Fruits... its kinda sad.

 

[thedude]

If you like Sanji Germa 66 it's okay, but you can not deny it's a questionable choice of Oda, clearly made for fanservice.

It is also a patch that he himself put because he realized that, currently, Luffy and Zoro make the cook eat dust and that disparity is not credible.

The timeskip was not yesterday, Sanji had 8 years to show his improvements but they have not yet arrived.

Had he been managed like his colleagues Luffy and Zoro, we would not be here to argue.

And he would not even need to become Sailor Moon to defeat a subordinate




Useful chopper? I hope you're joking ?

A doctor who can not cure intoxication and does not know that jellyfish should not be touched?

To be fair, other than Luffy and Usopp, i don't think anyone has shown improvements yet, which is kind of frustrating. Acutally, Franky has too, and Brook in limited ways, but Sanji and Zoro have not had the types of fights yet to show real improvement, and that's why I hope for a Alabasta or Ennis Lobby style arc with big one on one fights for everyone.

 

[afromarco005]

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Tell me a case, go on.



This combative Sanji management makes no sense, like it or not, it's just illogical.

Even if Oda had chosen to upgrade him with the suit (which I personally will never accept), he must first show him impotent against an opponent too strong for him. Something similar in a sense similar to Zoro with Mihawk, who puts aside the pride after the facts of TB and Sabaody in which he realizes he has to become stronger and that alone will not succeed.

Instead so far showed the chef a little by the will, made him do good figures against weak people, fool against people too strong, fighting interrupted or conditioned by external events against others.

And now the suit that, even assuming it does not provide obvious power-ups, will pollute the impression that we will have of his successes (which at this point there will be, I hope).

Leaving aside that the suit is nothing short of ridiculous.

All of this, with the character we met up to Zou, has nothing to do with it.

He was Mr. Prince, the Hunter and the one who caught an El Thor to light his cigarette.

Not an imbecile with a onesie, who does dance moves.

What do you mean by that?

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Well jeah... Oda seemed to forgotsome dreams from the SHs. Namis World Map wasnt really mentioned since how many chapters? All Blue was changed to invisibility it seems. Chopper doctor skills are outmatched by Law and other Devil Fruits... its kinda sad.

If I remember correctly, Oda mentioned it in a recent SBS, he said that Nami draws her maps at night when everyone is asleep bar Zoro.

 

[King Moe]

Well jeah... Oda seemed to forgotsome dreams from the SHs. Namis World Map wasnt really mentioned since how many chapters? All Blue was changed to invisibility it seems. Chopper doctor skills are outmatched by Law and other Devil Fruits... its kinda sad.

Not really, it been mention PH Arc for Nami on her dream and Chopper showcased his dream during that arc too. Also who said Sanji abandon the All Blue dream? Idk where your getting your logic from, but you need to read up OP more as none of the crew abandon or were forgotten by Oda at all. They don't need to say it 24/7 to remind us as it's in their character and actions on what they want to do.

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Special thanks to Moe-kun because without him no argument would be possible.

Same to you as well with your side giving up each time when we end things .

 

[Sachsenhesse]

Not really, it been mention PH Arc for Nami on her dream and Chopper showcased his dream during that arc too. Also who said Sanji abandon the All Blue dream? Idk where your getting your logic from, but you need to read up OP more as none of the crew abandon or were forgotten by Oda at all. They don't need to say it 24/7 to remind us as it's in their character and actions on what they want to do

The last time all Blue was mentioned, was back in Enies Lobby i guess, since then its focussed more on his Invisibilitydream.

Where was the world map mentioned? I probably overread that.

How did chopper showcased his dream?

 

[King Moe]

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Tell me a case, go on.



This combative Sanji management makes no sense, like it or not, it's just illogical.

Even if Oda had chosen to upgrade him with the suit (which I personally will never accept), he must first show him impotent against an opponent too strong for him. Something similar in a sense similar to Zoro with Mihawk, who puts aside the pride after the facts of TB and Sabaody in which he realizes he has to become stronger and that alone will not succeed.

Instead so far showed the chef a little by the will, made him do good figures against weak people, fool against people too strong, fighting interrupted or conditioned by external events against others.

And now the suit that, even assuming it does not provide obvious power-ups, will pollute the impression that we will have of his successes (which at this point there will be, I hope).

Leaving aside that the suit is nothing short of ridiculous.

All of this, with the character we met up to Zou, has nothing to do with it.

He was Mr. Prince, the Hunter and the one who caught an El Thor to light his cigarette.

Not an imbecile with a onesie, who does dance moves.

We debated before, dude. You seen me.

Really? How long you been watching OP? Oda does this all the time. Look at BB and his fights as well feats as most are off-screen. Does that mean "He hates BB"? What about Gold Roger? We have yet to seen him in action in past, but it's heavily implied off-screen that goes with a lot of characters about it. Heck, right now in Reverie, Sabo and the others are facing 2 Admirals at Mariejois. Does that mean he 'hates' the characters now? Your argument is flawed to use that as an excuse and again your bringing a poor argument on the character again.

Nah, it make sense as Sanji's character was being work on and he has feats still in NW as well in WCI and more to come in Wano. Your not seeing it as your soley focusing on bad parts with poor argument saying Oda 'hates characters due not showing them fighting more' when that's hardly true.

Sanji can take care of strong enemies without or with RS as having it doesn't mean he can't fight without it anymore and the RS was use more disguise than for actually needing more power. Idk where your getting more about that he can't do anything without it as it's not like with Zoro without his swords in the end. Also the RS looks pretty badass, so Idk what you mean it looks 'bad'. If you can't be unbiased for one moment in your post, it's hard to hold conversation with you.

It doesn't make him look bad at all as the reaction majority like how he looks and how he use it, but never it was mention because he lack power. He defeated PO already who s a Top 6 Headliner and already have big feat out of it. You can expect more feats to come in the arc with him fighting more.

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The last time all Blue was mentioned, was back in Enies Lobby i guess, since then its focussed more on his Invisibilitydream.

Where was the world map mentioned? I probably overread that.

How did chopper showcased his dream?

No, he mention it already in NW. You really haven't been reading much as he said it was a second dream, not his 'true' dream. I doubt Sanji forgot the All Blue like that.

Which is why you need re-read the whole NW saga again as they clearly shown and mention their dreams around before.

Saving the children at PH for one as he want to be a doctor to cure all diseases and by saving them, he is step closer. You don't need to announce your dream 24/7 to know what your going after. They aren't Luffy who said "I am gonna be the King Of The Pirates!" 24/7 as that would be silly and make no sense to their characters. They shouldn't really announce it every time in each arc, their character and actions insert that.

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If you like Sanji Germa 66 it's okay, but you can not deny it's a questionable choice of Oda, clearly made for fanservice.

It is also a patch that he himself put because he realized that, currently, Luffy and Zoro make the cook eat dust and that disparity is not credible.

The timeskip was not yesterday, Sanji had 8 years to show his improvements but they have not yet arrived.

Had he been managed like his colleagues Luffy and Zoro, we would not be here to argue.

And he would not even need to become Sailor Moon to defeat a subordinate




Useful chopper? I hope you're joking ?

A doctor who can not cure intoxication and does not know that jellyfish should not be touched?

Not really, it for character development more like how Zoro begs to Mihawk to learn his own moves despite their history. It's similar to that as they need to put pride away for more important like their friends. It's not fanservice at all.

What you even talking about? Luffy is one thing, but Zoro never shown he is up there at all as his opponents as of late been weaklings and lately in the arc he got defeated by Hawkins and still on adventure across Wano instead of helping. He hasn't shown that he is in the big leagues when he keep losing to more serious opponents. Sanji however is showing he is going up there as he can hold his own with them and now defeated Page One which puts him up there higher, so Idk where you getting he is not improving as clearly he is.

Pretty sure RS is more base on Power Ranger, but beside the point, he isn't helpless without RS and can still defeat others and hold his own with them. Daifuku and Oven are proof of that as well he defeated Yonji while in his own RS himself, so your stretching thin on what your saying about it.

He been useful in arcs. Your compliant is that he never fight much which I agree on his lack of fighting so, but you can say that with a lot of the others, but he help save lives in FI, PH, Zou, WCI, and now will have more performance in helping others while fighting too.

 

[thedude]

The last time all Blue was mentioned, was back in Enies Lobby i guess, since then its focussed more on his Invisibilitydream.

Where was the world map mentioned? I probably overread that.

How did chopper showcased his dream?

The invisibility "dream" is just a long running gag. And I doubt they talk about All Blue because really the goal for all of them now is Raftel and One Piece, and everything will likely be settled there, including All Blue. I don't think it's gone, but it's not a "dream" like "Being the strongest swordsman" or "becoming Pirate King" that can really be talked about in regular stories. It's very specific, and it involves traveling.

I think the whole crew knows that they'll all live out their dreams by going to the end of the journey they are on.

 

[Franz]

To be fair, other than Luffy and Usopp, i don't think anyone has shown improvements yet, which is kind of frustrating.

Franky, Brook, Zoro, Usopp, Nami, Robin, Even Chopper...

Sanji no, or rather it is not understandable, since as said Oda does not do that show him piece by piece, making it win against weak people, make him do bad figures with strong people, and now this clown of superhero suits that makes everything less clear.

 

[King Moe]

Franky, Brook, Zoro, Usopp, Nami, Robin, Even Chopper...

Sanji no, or rather it is not understandable, since as said Oda does not do that show him piece by piece, making it win against weak people, make him do bad figures with strong people, and now this clown of superhero suits that makes everything less clear.

What are you talking about? He has already. Sanji even doing stuff in Wano. Quit with the hate man as your not getting anywhere if you don't know to accept what's shown on his performance. It doesn't take anything away from him as your upset on your ideals on what you want, Oda's writing. Theirs a difference.

He can defeat both weak and strong people without or with RS. Idk why your so headcannon over it too much.

Plus the others haven't given much fight as much too except Luffy. We never seen much on their full capabilities and improvement either, so not really everyone as you trying to insert.

 

[Franz]

Not really, it for character development more like how Zoro begs to Mihawk to learn his own moves despite their history. It's similar to that as they need to put pride away for more important like their friends. It's not fanservice at all.

Then, I repeat, show me in trouble against someone stronger, make him suffer, do not do that before declaring to throw the suit at sea and then wearing it so, out of nowhere.

What you even talking about? Luffy is one thing, but Zoro never shown he is up there at all as his opponents as of late been weaklings and lately in the arc he got defeated by Hawkins and still on adventure across Wano instead of helping. He hasn't shown that he is in the big leagues when he keep losing to more serious opponents. Sanji however is showing he is going up there as he can hold his own with them and now defeated Page One which puts him up there higher, so Idk where you getting he is not improving as clearly he is.

Zoro and Luffy showed much more.

To date Sanji post timeskip has not done anything as impressive as the other two, needless to deny it.

Zora slices mountains, and Sanji ...... gets pounded and teased by Germa's clowns. Impressive.

Did you defeat Page One? Interesting but again, SHOW IT.

Pretty sure RS is more base on Power Ranger, but beside the point, he isn't helpless without RS and can still defeat others and hold his own with them. Daifuku and Oven are proof of that as well he defeated Yonji while in his own RS himself, so your stretching thin on what your saying about it.

Too bad that the clash with Page One shows the opposite.

Then Power Ranger or Super Sentai, remains a clown.

He been useful in arcs.

In the last 10 years ?

ut he help save lives in FI, PH, Zou, WCI

FI: he did not know that jellyfish are poisonous. A doctor.

PH: children are cured Law at the end

Zo: the bulk of the work is Caesar, Zunisha puts two bandages that any doctor could put.

WCI: He cries like a child when Luffy is poisoned, pointing out his uselessness.

We want to talk about the fighting side?

Should not he become a monster?

Now it's a cuddly mascot stuffed animal.

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Sanji even doing stuff in Wano

Sure, he's being a fool.

Well times when lit cigarettes with lightning, now wearing tight-fitting suits doing ballets like a good Japanese majo

. Quit with the hate man as your not getting anywhere if you don't know to accept what's shown on his performance.

It is not hate, but pure observation.

If you're fine with the Sanji Power Ranger Sailor Moon, I personally feel sorry to see one of the best characters in the work reduced to caricature.

He can defeat both weak and strong people without or with RS. Idk why your so headcannon over it too much.

In fact, Oda is notoriously infallible, is not it?

It doesn't take anything away from him as your upset on your ideals on what you want, Oda's writing. Theirs a difference.

Well then.

Show it, instead of making him only half fighting.

 

[nik87]

Now it's a cuddly mascot stuffed animal.

We love our little emergency food supply tho.

 

[King Moe]

Then, I repeat, show me in trouble against someone stronger, make him suffer, do not do that before declaring to throw the suit at sea and then wearing it so, out of nowhere.



Zoro and Luffy showed much more.

To date Sanji post timeskip has not done anything as impressive as the other two, needless to deny it.

Zora slices mountains, and Sanji ...... gets pounded and teased by Germa's clowns. Impressive.

Did you defeat Page One? Interesting but again, SHOW IT.





Too bad that the clash with Page One shows the opposite.

Then Power Ranger or Super Sentai, remains a clown.



In the last 10 years ?



FI: he did not know that jellyfish are poisonous. A doctor.

PH: children are cured Law at the end

Zo: the bulk of the work is Caesar, Zunisha puts two bandages that any doctor could put.

WCI: He cries like a child when Luffy is poisoned, pointing out his uselessness.

We want to talk about the fighting side?

Should not he become a monster?

Now it's a cuddly mascot stuffed animal.

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Sure, he's being a fool.

Well times when lit cigarettes with lightning, now wearing tight-fitting suits doing ballets like a good Japanese majo


It is not hate, but pure observation.

If you're fine with the Sanji Power Ranger Sailor Moon, I personally feel sorry to see one of the best characters in the work reduced to caricature.

In fact, Oda is notoriously infallible, is not it?


Well then.

Show it, instead of making him only half fighting.

He wore it for disguise, dude. Have you not been reading the series at all? If he fought Page One without it, they learn of his identity like Luffy and Zoro and the last thing they want to wreck the plan. If your going to insist this, please read the context of the situation before announcing stuff like this as your countering yourself on why he use the RS. It wasn't because he lack power, it's to hide his identity, duh.

Not really. Only Luffy. Zoro fought fodder-like opponents being Hody, Monet, and Pica. When he face serious opponents, he get slammed back hard like Fujitora, Doflamingo (Birdcage), and latest is now Hawkins. He hasn't shown development on being that strong or even at Luffy's lvl, so Idk where you see him improving much. He is not even doing anything in Wano so far in the arc as well.

He has man, just you acting poor judgement over it. Zoro can slice stones since pre-timeskip, not really amazing thing as even then we thought he could cut mountains, so Idk why you put it at that lvl. Sanji defeated an Giant that was larger than average one being Watsumadi (Who was also hype up on drugs given to him by NFP) in Fishman Island, he hold his own with Vergo, defeated Sheephead, Yonji (With RS), Bobbin (100,000,000 Million Beri+ Bounty), and Raisin as well hold his own with Daifuku and Oven. Lastely he defeated Page One and stop using that excuse on "HE NEEDS TO SHOW IT!" as NOT ALL FIGHTS WILL BE SHOWN EVERY PANEL AND CHAPTER (Emphasizing, not yelling). I just explain to you about off-screen fights, doesn't take anything away nor the feats. Reverie having stuff happening while Wano goes on with Sabo fighting, but that doesn't mean it's poor onto the character. Your focusing thinking the worse when it's not the worse.

Also again RS has positive reaction when he use it, only few like yourself are taking anger when the reason and appearance is positive on majority scale, so your stretching things too much here.

Nah, just you acting out when there reason why he puts on RS. Not a clown, he really looks badass and how it shows the opposite? Page One is defeated and it is heavily implied in this Chapter as Sanji shows up ok and alright. We probably will see him defeated and badly beaten next chapter or so since Hawkins and Drake are coming to his area. You need to chill out and stop nitpicking on stuff like this as a bad thing.

Please go watch Fishman Island Arc, Punk Hazard Arc, Zou Arc, Whole Cake Island Arc, and Wano Arc (Ongoing) and see Chopper on what he is doing for those arcs. While it's true he hasn't have much fighting as much (Only in FI and WCI, but soon Wano), but skills as a doctor is showing a whole more and he was useful in the arcs, so where was he 'useless'. You got come at with proof instead posting stuff on emotions of not much 'fighting' as fighting doesn't make a character 'value' with OP as the sole thing.

FI: That more comical than serious. Don't use gags as proof man.

PH: He helped with Law as they work together, it wasn't soley with Law.

Zou: Dude, stop he remove the gases, but he didn't remove and repair the injuries of those on the ground. Chopper did all the work there. Why you think they see him as one of the heroes. Please stop using poor argument here to take that away when it's in context.

WCI: This one I am referring more to his fighting than doctoring, but doctors often learn from new stuff to improve to cure better. It's life as he wouldn't know how to cure every single disease yet as he hasn't reach that lvl yet.

He is both, but so far in Wano it's preparing him to be a fighter a lot more since this be an all-out war with many different oppositions, so expect him to fight off.

Nah, just your own ideals is making you act like that than he is. You still not reading context of the situations if you don't know why he is wearing RS as never he said it was for power when it's more disguise.

Nah, it's biased hate man. Only you see it as bad thing when majority are saying they are liking the RS and how cool he looks in it. Hardly anything like PR and SM at all as there is a clear difference how Oda is using the RS. He still one of the bets characters, but just your headcannon on seeing it bad thing when in reality many don't see the way you see.

I don't get what you mean here about Oda. Still you didn't counter my point and it proves more your stating this by ideals of your own, not facts.

Like every other character who gets off-screen. Quit with the poor argument man. If you don't like when he does it, then this series is not for you clearly as he will keep doing off-screen moments from time to time on other characters as he did with Nami and others escaping their side and Kidd escaping from his side too. Either learn to accept it or you be upset for a long time.

 

[thedude]

Franky, Brook, Zoro, Usopp, Nami, Robin, Even Chopper...

Sanji no, or rather it is not understandable, since as said Oda does not do that show him piece by piece, making it win against weak people, make him do bad figures with strong people, and now this clown of superhero suits that makes everything less clear.

Robin and Chopper and Nami haven't had those moments either I don't think. Just small quick things. Franky beat three of Doflamingos crew basically, 2 on Punk Hazard and one on Dressrosa. Brook had some decent moments on WCI. Usopp had his awakening of CoA. Chopper protected the ship a little, but didn't do much, no one on one fight yet, same with Nami and Robin.

So for me, I think we need Robin, Nami, Chopper, Zoro and Sanji to have "moments" this arc. And I'd like to see the others grow in battle as well, even if they have had some more impressive moments.

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He wore it for disguise, dude. Have you not been reading the series at all? If he fought Page One without it, they learn of his identity like Luffy and Zoro and the last thing they want to wreck the plan. If your going to insist this, please read the context of the situation before announcing stuff like this as your countering yourself on why he use the RS. It wasn't because he lack power, it's to hide his identity, duh.

Not really. Only Luffy. Zoro fought fodder-like opponents being Hody, Monet, and Pica. When he face serious opponents, he get slammed back hard like Fujitora, Doflamingo (Birdcage), and latest is now Hawkins. He hasn't shown development on being that strong or even at Luffy's lvl, so Idk where you see him improving much. He is not even doing anything in Wano so far in the arc as well.

He has man, just you acting poor judgement over it. Zoro can slice stones since pre-timeskip, not really amazing thing as even then we thought he could cut mountains, so Idk why you put it at that lvl. Sanji defeated an Giant that was larger than average one being Watsumadi (Who was also hype up on drugs given to him by NFP) in Fishman Island, he hold his own with Vergo, defeated Sheephead, Yonji (With RS), Bobbin (100,000,000 Million Beri+ Bounty), and Raisin as well hold his own with Daifuku and Oven. Lastely he defeated Page One and stop using that excuse on "HE NEEDS TO SHOW IT!" as NOT ALL FIGHTS WILL BE SHOWN EVERY PANEL AND CHAPTER (Emphasizing, not yelling). I just explain to you about off-screen fights, doesn't take anything away nor the feats. Reverie having stuff happening while Wano goes on with Sabo fighting, but that doesn't mean it's poor onto the character. Your focusing thinking the worse when it's not the worse.

Also again RS has positive reaction when he use it, only few like yourself are taking anger when the reason and appearance is positive on majority scale, so your stretching things too much here.

Nah, just you acting out when there reason why he puts on RS. Not a clown, he really looks badass and how it shows the opposite? Page One is defeated and it is heavily implied in this Chapter as Sanji shows up ok and alright. We probably will see him defeated and badly beaten next chapter or so since Hawkins and Drake are coming to his area. You need to chill out and stop nitpicking on stuff like this as a bad thing.

Please go watch Fishman Island Arc, Punk Hazard Arc, Zou Arc, Whole Cake Island Arc, and Wano Arc (Ongoing) and see Chopper on what he is doing for those arcs. While it's true he hasn't have much fighting as much (Only in FI and WCI, but soon Wano), but skills as a doctor is showing a whole more and he was useful in the arcs, so where was he 'useless'. You got come at with proof instead posting stuff on emotions of not much 'fighting' as fighting doesn't make a character 'value' with OP as the sole thing.

FI: That more comical than serious. Don't use gags as proof man.

PH: He helped with Law as they work together, it wasn't soley with Law.

Zou: Dude, stop he remove the gases, but he didn't remove and repair the injuries of those on the ground. Chopper did all the work there. Why you think they see him as one of the heroes. Please stop using poor argument here to take that away when it's in context.

WCI: This one I am referring more to his fighting than doctoring, but doctors often learn from new stuff to improve to cure better. It's life as he wouldn't know how to cure every single disease yet as he hasn't reach that lvl yet.

He is both, but so far in Wano it's preparing him to be a fighter a lot more since this be an all-out war with many different oppositions, so expect him to fight off.

Nah, just your own ideals is making you act like that than he is. You still not reading context of the situations if you don't know why he is wearing RS as never he said it was for power when it's more disguise.

Nah, it's biased hate man. Only you see it as bad thing when majority are saying they are liking the RS and how cool he looks in it. Hardly anything like PR and SM at all as there is a clear difference how Oda is using the RS. He still one of the bets characters, but just your headcannon on seeing it bad thing when in reality many don't see the way you see.

I don't get what you mean here about Oda. Still you didn't counter my point and it proves more your stating this by ideals of your own, not facts.

Like every other character who gets off-screen. Quit with the poor argument man. If you don't like when he does it, then this series is not for you clearly as he will keep doing off-screen moments from time to time on other characters as he did with Nami and others escaping their side and Kidd escaping from his side too. Either learn to accept it or you be upset for a long time.

Don't resort to Nik style fanboysim. Hawkins didn't beat or "slam" Zoro. Luffy and Zoro were escaping, Hawkins hit him once. Nothing conclusive there. I know being the one Sanji defender is annoying, but you don't have to stoop to their pathetic level.

 

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Don't resort to Nik style fanboysim. Hawkins didn't beat or "slam" Zoro. Luffy and Zoro were escaping, Hawkins hit him once. Nothing conclusive there. I know being the one Sanji defender is annoying, but you don't have to stoop to their pathetic level.

Well not beat, but it was clear Zoro was not favorable in the exchange and it happened before with Fujitora. He can't seem to deal with serious opponents more fight is what I am saying.

I don't ever feel bad on defending Sanji. I don't go to the 'winning' side just because it is 'winning'. As you can't 'win' all the time. No character is perfect neither Sani, Zoro, Luffy, and so on. I won't abandon a character no matter what happen to him as that what true fans stay true on, not for petty stuff. Know what I mean?

I won't do that. Thank you for speaking with me with sense from your side .